Re: 500 Greatest Songs of All Time (Rolling Stone Magazine version 2021)
Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:09 pm
I am delighted by both Fight the Power and Get Ur Freak On being in the top 10. Both well-deserved.
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Yeah, and it shows compared to the 2003/2010 lists. There were more picks on that list that felt like they were "important" rather than "favorites" (I, for instance, do not know anyone here who'd named "For Your Precious Love" or "Maybe" as among their favorite songs ever - I could be wrong, but Hymie isn't around anymore to prove me otherwise yet - but they are, in a sense, important songs).jdizzle83 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:03 pm A lot of conspiracy theories here but in my opinion the list is so random in many ways that it seems completely apparent that they did indeed aggregate the votes. A curated list would be much more, well…curated. If they ask another 250 people to also contribute it might look wildly different (with of course, some of the same “classics” on it). It depends on who is asked and age does probably play a role. For lots of younger voters, “Royals” was probably a top pick, even though it might not necessarily be if you polled a bunch of “older” folks.
It does still feel rather curated to me, but not in the way the original list was. For the record, Rolling Stone never claimed the list was an aggregate. My feeling is that they used the combined as a sort of guideline to streamline the list.
I'm happy for you. I'm not much of a fan of either of those songs.StevieFan13 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:09 pm I am delighted by both Fight the Power and Get Ur Freak On being in the top 10. Both well-deserved.
Ah, I couldn't see the methodology section as it is only for subscribers on the website, so there was some guesswork. I also can't read the Sam Smith list for example.phil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:29 am As JamieW stated, they have explicitly stated that this is aggregated, not curated - along with the methodology. Which they don’t always do. So I don’t see any reason not to believe them.
The editorialising is in the selection of who votes. And it is true that for example the voters tend to be a mix of old white guys, and millenials - missing the middle aged folks.
The process as they laid out seems like it would naturally lead to some random results - 250 voting for only 50 songs each. 4,000 unique votes which means a lot of single vote songs (average of around 3 votes for each of those 4,000 - and there will be a strong skew of multiple votes at the high end). Probably you only need three (perhaps high-ish) votes to get in.
I was able to read the article in an incognito window. I think it's only a top 10 (or the rest of the list was hidden to me). Only one of Sam Smith's choices made the final list as far as I can tell:
"La vida es un carnaval" and "Amor prohibido" are really bit hits of Latin music of the 90s...if you want a good salsa and a good cumbia song listen to them.Henry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:21 amStevieFan13 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:09 pm I am delighted by both Fight the Power and Get Ur Freak On being in the top 10. Both well-deserved.
I plan to listen to the following songs in the next week or so:
Bad Bunny Safaera 2020 329
John Prine Angel From Montgomery 1971 350
Eric Church Springsteen 2011 391
Selena Amor Prohibido 1994 405
Celia Cruz La Vida Es un Carnaval 1998 439
Miranda Lambert The House That Built Me 2009
If anyone has any affection for these songs, please let me know so I can prioritize my listening.
Thanks!
Bad Guy is probably an outlier as it wasn't released but most likely will make our updated list. Wouldn't be floored if Thank U Next was somewhere in the bottom of our new top 1000 too.
Yeah I like Bad Bunny quite a bit but not crazy about that song. The Selena and Celia Cruz songs are classics. I would have gone for a different John Prine song but it’s a solid choice nonetheless. I like the Lambert song, and the Eric Church song does nothing for mepanam wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:26 pm"La vida es un carnaval" and "Amor prohibido" are really bit hits of Latin music of the 90s...if you want a good salsa and a good cumbia song listen to them.Henry wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:21 amStevieFan13 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 24, 2021 4:09 pm I am delighted by both Fight the Power and Get Ur Freak On being in the top 10. Both well-deserved.
I plan to listen to the following songs in the next week or so:
Bad Bunny Safaera 2020 329
John Prine Angel From Montgomery 1971 350
Eric Church Springsteen 2011 391
Selena Amor Prohibido 1994 405
Celia Cruz La Vida Es un Carnaval 1998 439
Miranda Lambert The House That Built Me 2009
If anyone has any affection for these songs, please let me know so I can prioritize my listening.
Thanks!
About "Safaera", i'm not the big fan of that song. It's interesting as Bad Bunny try to recreate in 2020 a reggaeton old school song of the early 90s but the lyrics are like WAP. If you like very dirty explicit music it's cool but i think there are better reggaeton songs to discover.
Electronic/Dance music almost non-existent on the list considering its influence over the last 30 odd years. Daft Punk recognised for their most recent and obvious hit but 95-01 period tracks are almost better representations. Unfinished Sympathy and Born Slippy seemed to this listener as obvious inclusions. Chemical Brothers could have had a mention even any one of Can You Feel it/Acid Trax/Voodoo Ray/Pacific State both for their quality and lasting influence. Burials 'Archangel' would have been a good shout to keep it more modern.keater wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:44 pm The list has a little bit of everything (except Jazz, which got f*cked here), and seriously lacking some of the essential Blues tracks.
Order is whatever, for a 'starter list', it's okay. It could be worse.
Seems Jazz and Blues can't win on a songs list going forward.
It's actually been awhile since I've seen "Unfinished Sympathy" and "Born Slippy" along with "Firestarter" and "Windowlicker" made it onto nearly any list (particularly the ranked ones) from the last 2 years. Blue Lines has also only made moderate album list appearances and moderately high placed rank whilst the rest of the 90s Top 10 albums (except Entroducing) has made frequent entries and keeps outpeaking Blue Lines several times. It'll be interesting to see if Unfinished Sympathy can keep itself in the Top 100 and 90s Top 10. Born Slippy I think is set to exit the Top 150 and 90s Top 15.ColmD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:41 pmElectronic/Dance music almost non-existent on the list considering its influence over the last 30 odd years. Daft Punk recognised for their most recent and obvious hit but 95-01 period tracks are almost better representations. Unfinished Sympathy and Born Slippy seemed to this listener as obvious inclusions. Chemical Brothers could have had a mention even any one of Can You Feel it/Acid Trax/Voodoo Ray/Pacific State both for their quality and lasting influence. Burials 'Archangel' would have been a good shout to keep it more modern.keater wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:44 pm The list has a little bit of everything (except Jazz, which got f*cked here), and seriously lacking some of the essential Blues tracks.
Order is whatever, for a 'starter list', it's okay. It could be worse.
Seems Jazz and Blues can't win on a songs list going forward.
Seems that doesn't fit the cozy, almost VH1 style of Rolling Stone.
Haha, in the other elimination thread from the 2018 AMF top 1000, I eliminated Born Slippy .NUXX on the first day and Archangel on the second. Unfinished Sympathy won't last much longer. I guess this is as much a musical blind spot for me as it is for Rolling Stone. If these are the world's greatest dance songs, it seems odd that I have never heard any of them at a dance, and I don't find them very danceable. On the other hand, I have heard Daft Punk's biggest songs at dozens if not hundreds of dances, and those are very danceable, so I think Get Lucky's inclusion is well deserved, and I would have expected One More Time to remain on the list as well.ColmD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:41 pm Electronic/Dance music almost non-existent on the list considering its influence over the last 30 odd years. Daft Punk recognised for their most recent and obvious hit but 95-01 period tracks are almost better representations. Unfinished Sympathy and Born Slippy seemed to this listener as obvious inclusions. Chemical Brothers could have had a mention even any one of Can You Feel it/Acid Trax/Voodoo Ray/Pacific State both for their quality and lasting influence. Burials 'Archangel' would have been a good shout to keep it more modern.
Seems that doesn't fit the cozy, almost VH1 style of Rolling Stone.
Born Slippy and Unfinished Sympathy are unfamiliar to most Americans, but I believe both were massive in the UK. Archangel certainly isn't meant for dancing - Burial is more headphones music - but is widely recognized as one of the greatest electronic tracks of the 2000s due to its incredible production and influence on other artists. I've never had strong feelings about Born Slippy, but Unfinished Sympathy and Archangel are both in my AT top 100 and resonate with me emotionally, so I am surprised you are so dismissive of them.andyd1010 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:14 pmHaha, in the other elimination thread from the 2018 AMF top 1000, I eliminated Born Slippy .NUXX on the first day and Archangel on the second. Unfinished Sympathy won't last much longer. I guess this is as much a musical blind spot for me as it is for Rolling Stone. If these are the world's greatest dance songs, it seems odd that I have never heard any of them at a dance, and I don't find them very danceable. On the other hand, I have heard Daft Punk's biggest songs at dozens if not hundreds of dances, and those are very danceable, so I think Get Lucky's inclusion is well deserved, and I would have expected One More Time to remain on the list as well.ColmD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:41 pm Electronic/Dance music almost non-existent on the list considering its influence over the last 30 odd years. Daft Punk recognised for their most recent and obvious hit but 95-01 period tracks are almost better representations. Unfinished Sympathy and Born Slippy seemed to this listener as obvious inclusions. Chemical Brothers could have had a mention even any one of Can You Feel it/Acid Trax/Voodoo Ray/Pacific State both for their quality and lasting influence. Burials 'Archangel' would have been a good shout to keep it more modern.
Seems that doesn't fit the cozy, almost VH1 style of Rolling Stone.
I'm curious why people think Born Slippy .NUXX deserves its high placing, since it is the song I connect the least with in the forum's top 1000. There is a nice, if understated, melody at the beginning, and then the song is overwhelmed by the beat as any sense of melody completely disappears, and there is an onslaught of atonal singing. I can see how the beat was influential, since I feel like I've heard it a million times in EDM songs that don't get any acclaim and that I don't like, so I don't see that as a good thing.
Right back at you with Hotel California and Yellow! Two gorgeous songs that resonate strongly with me and not at all with you, apparently. I just looked at your top 100, and I really like more than 2/3 of the songs. But the remaining 1/3 contains several songs that I have already eliminated from the game, and it seems that the reverse is probably also true for you.
When I use the term EDM I am covering some electronic music in a broad manner too so Massive Attack would fall under the 'trip hop' and 'downtempo' genres so less about dancing per se and more around sounds and texture. Britpop took a lot of the headlines at the time for reinvigorating British music in the wake of Grunge but in Bristol the likes of Massive Attack, Tricky and Portishead were already breathing new life into the music scene with wonderfully produced records (shout out to Portishead who didn't make the list either). Unfinished Sympathy is a bit of an iconic track this side of the Atlantic (man when those strings soar) though the equally wonderful Teardrop probably found a wider audience.andyd1010 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:14 pmHaha, in the other elimination thread from the 2018 AMF top 1000, I eliminated Born Slippy .NUXX on the first day and Archangel on the second. Unfinished Sympathy won't last much longer. I guess this is as much a musical blind spot for me as it is for Rolling Stone. If these are the world's greatest dance songs, it seems odd that I have never heard any of them at a dance, and I don't find them very danceable. On the other hand, I have heard Daft Punk's biggest songs at dozens if not hundreds of dances, and those are very danceable, so I think Get Lucky's inclusion is well deserved, and I would have expected One More Time to remain on the list as well.ColmD wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:41 pm Electronic/Dance music almost non-existent on the list considering its influence over the last 30 odd years. Daft Punk recognised for their most recent and obvious hit but 95-01 period tracks are almost better representations. Unfinished Sympathy and Born Slippy seemed to this listener as obvious inclusions. Chemical Brothers could have had a mention even any one of Can You Feel it/Acid Trax/Voodoo Ray/Pacific State both for their quality and lasting influence. Burials 'Archangel' would have been a good shout to keep it more modern.
Seems that doesn't fit the cozy, almost VH1 style of Rolling Stone.
I'm curious why people think Born Slippy .NUXX deserves its high placing, since it is the song I connect the least with in the forum's top 1000. There is a nice, if understated, melody at the beginning, and then the song is overwhelmed by the beat as any sense of melody completely disappears, and there is an onslaught of atonal singing. I can see how the beat was influential, since I feel like I've heard it a million times in EDM songs that don't get any acclaim and that I don't like, so I don't see that as a good thing.
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