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VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:31 am
by Cicice
Vulture - The 100 Songs That Define New York Rap, Ranked: https://www.vulture.com/article/new-yor ... anked.html

NOTE!: There is something quite unclear going on with #7 & #8 on the website, they're both listed together like siamese (dream!)

Side Note: Glad to see "212" made it but I feel there's more to Azealia Banks than just "212" like "1991" or "Liqourice". This was a missed opportunity to include "Bad Babysitter" by Princess Superstar, Fannypack's "Camel Toe" and "Bust A Move" or "Know How" by Young MC. Other than that the list looks quite good, a little too heavy on Notorious B.I.G., Lil Kim and Jay Z and a bit low on the Beastie Boys.


1. Mobb Deep - Shook Ones Pt.2 (1995)
2. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - The Message (1982)
3. Notorious B.I.G. - Juicy (1994)
4. Nas - N.Y. State Of Mind (1994)
5. Wu-Tang Clan - C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me) (1993)
6. Bobby Shmurda - Hot Nigga (2014)
7. KRS-One - The Bridge Is Over (1987)
8. MC Shan - The Bridge (1986)
9. M.O.P. - Ante Up (Robbin Hoodz Theory) (2000)
10. Roxanne Shante - Roxanne's Revenge (1984)
11. A Tribe Called Quest - Scenario (1992)
12. Craig Mack - Flava In Ya Ear (Remix) (1994)
13. Public Enemy - Fight The Power (1989)
14. Terror Squad - Lean Back (2004)
15. DMX - Ruff Ryders' Anthem (1998)
16. Big Pun ft Joe - Still Not A Player (1996)
17. Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz - Deja Vu (Uptown Baby) (1998)
18. Slick Rick & Doug E. Fresh - La Di Da Di (1985)
19. Gang Starr - Mass Appeal (1994)
20. Onyx - Slam (1993)
21. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - They Reminisce Over You (T.R.O.Y.) (1992)
22. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Brooklyn Zoo (1995)
23. Method Man ft Mary J. Blige - I'll Be There For You / You're All I Need To Get By (1995)
24. Pop Smoke - Dior (2019)
25. Lil' Kim - Crush On You (1996)
26. Audio Two - Top Billin' (1987)
27. Diplomats - I Really Mean It (2003)
28. Puff Daddy ft Lil' Kim, The LOX & Notorious B.I.G. - It's All About The Benjamins (Remix) (1997)
29. Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full (1987)
30. Juice Crew - The Symphony (1988)
31. Nas - Ether (2001)
32. LL Cool J - Mama Said Knock You Out (1991)
33. Cardi B - Bodak Yellow (2017)
34. Diplomats - Dipset Anthem (2003)
35. Lost Boyz - Jeeps, Lex Coups, Bimaz & Benz (1995)
36. MC Lyte - Ruffneck (1993)
37. Mobb Deep - Quiet Storm Pt. 2 (1999)
38. Busta Rhymes - Put Your Hands Where My Eyes Could See (1997)
39. Jadakiss ft Styles P - We Gonna Make It (2001)
40. Public Enemy - Rebel Without A Pause (1988)
41. Jay Z - Dead Presidents 2 (1996)
42. Big Daddy Kane - Ain't No Half Steppin' (1988)
43. Slick Rick - Children's Story (1989)
44. Black Moon - I Got Cha Opin' (Remix) (1994)
45. Kool G Rap & DJ Polo - Streets Of New York (1990)
46. Foxy Brown - Ill Na Na (1996)
47. Nas - The World Is Yours (1994)
48. Ja Rule ft Fat Joe & Jadakiss - New York (2004)
49. Black Star - Definition (1998)
50. Digable Planets - Rebirth Of Slick (Cool Like Dat) (1993)
51. Cam'ron & Juelz Santana - Oh Boy (2002)
52. Notorious B.I.G. - Who Shot Ya (1994)
53. Raekwon - Ice Cream (1995)
54. Azealia Banks ft Lazy Jay - 212 (2011)
55. Smif-N-Wessun - Bucktown (1994)
56. Run DMC - It's Tricky (1987)
57. Notorious B.I.G. & Lil Kim (Junior M.A.F.I.A.) - Get Money (1995)
58. Kurtis Blow - The Breaks (1980)
59. Cannibal Ox - Iron Galaxy (2001)
60. Black Rob - Whoa! (2000)
61. Special Ed - I Got It Made (1989)
62. DMX - Get At Me Dog (1998)
63. LL Cool J - I Can't Live Without My Radio (1985)
64. Alchemist - Hold You Down (2004)
65. De La Soul - Me, Myself & I (1989)
66. Big Daddy Kane - Warm It Up, Kane (1989)
67. LOX ft Lil' Kim & DMX - Money, Power & Respect (1998)
68. A Tribe Called Quest - Check The Rhime (1991)
69. Jay Z & Notorious B.I.G. - Brooklyn's Finest (1996)
70. MF Doom - Doomsday (1999)
71. 50 Cent - How To Rob (1999)
72. Eric B & Rakim - Juice (Know The Ledge) (1992)
73. Black Sheep - The Choice Is Yours (Revisited) (1991)
74. Pop Smoke - Welcome To The Party (2019)
75. Salt-N-Pepa - Let's Talk About Sex (1991)
76. N.O.R.E - Superthug (1998)
77. Salt-N-Pepa - Push It (1987)
78. De La Soul - Buddy (Remix) (1989)
79. A Tribe Called Quest - Electric Relaxation (1993)
80. Firm - Phone Tap (1997)
81. Ultramagnetic MCs - Ego Trippin' (1986)
82. Jay Z ft Mary J. Blige - Can't Knock The Hustle (1996)
83. Big Pun ft Tony Sunshine - 100% (2000)
84. Wu-Tang Clan - Protect Ya Neck (1992)
85. Jay Z ft UGK - Big Pimpin' (1999)
86. Chinx ft French Montana - I'm A Coke Boy (2012)
87. Eric B & Rakim - I Ain't No Joke (1987)
88. Nicki Minaj - Itty Bitty Piggy (2009)
89. Fat Joe ft Ashanti - What's Luv? (2002)
90. 50 Cent - Wanksta (2002)
91. Biz Markie - Nobody Beats The Biz (1988)
92. Run DMC - Peter Piper (1986)
93. Beastie Boys - No Sleep Till Brooklyn (1986)
94. T La Rock & Jazzy Jay - It's Yours (1984)
95. Method Man - Bring The Pain (1994)
96. ASAP Ferg ft ASAP Rocky - Shabba (2013)
97. ASAP Rocky - Peso (2011)
98. Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five - New York, New York (1983)
99. Whondini - Friends (1984)
100. EPMD - You Gots To Chill (1988)

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:23 pm
by Jackson
That top 5 is just about perfect but the list is a complete mess after that.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:33 pm
by bootsy
Some odd choices for sure like trying to spread the love to the 2010s and they didn't need to with the choices they made.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:06 am
by Hymie
No "Rapper's Delight????"

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:17 am
by Holden
Hymie wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:06 am No "Rapper's Delight????"
Wikipedia claims they were from Jersey, I can’t help but assume they weren’t eligible. They belong on any list for defining a genre.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:32 am
by Hymie
Holden wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:17 am
Hymie wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:06 am No "Rapper's Delight????"
Wikipedia claims they were from Jersey, I can’t help but assume they weren’t eligible. They belong on any list for defining a genre.
Well, it was definitely recorded in Jersey, but so was "The Message." The group and the label were named for a neighborhood in Harlem.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:56 pm
by Cicice
Jackson wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:23 pm That top 5 is just about perfect but the list is a complete mess after that.
It's quite alright-ish but there are some missed opportunities that could have made it in the list.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:58 pm
by Cicice
bootsy wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:33 pm Some odd choices for sure like trying to spread the love to the 2010s and they didn't need to with the choices they made.
It does seem like it especially with Pop Smoke. Other than that, the list looks very heavy on the 90s.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:04 pm
by Cicice
Hymie wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:32 am
Holden wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:17 am
Hymie wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:06 am No "Rapper's Delight????"
Wikipedia claims they were from Jersey, I can’t help but assume they weren’t eligible. They belong on any list for defining a genre.
Well, it was definitely recorded in Jersey, but so was "The Message." The group and the label were named for a neighborhood in Harlem.

Something like that sometimes confuses me. There's also Beyonce who is an artist from Texas but the song "Crazy In Love" is under New York. I don't know if that's because it was recorded there or because Jay Z is an artist from New York, yet the album with that song is under Texas.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:05 pm
by Cicice
Hymie wrote: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:06 am No "Rapper's Delight????"
It's a mystery!

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:49 am
by watson
This list seems to be missing some worthy names. But, I admire your sharing. Some of songs on this list I don't know. I will try listening them.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:17 pm
by Cicice
watson wrote: Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:49 am This list seems to be missing some worthy names. But, I admire your sharing. Some of songs on this list I don't know. I will try listening them.
Why thank you, sweet one. That was a kind thing to say. I just hope it doesn't get annoying. I don't really know that much on this list. Hip Hop and Rap ain't really my thing.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:16 am
by Axelroberts
I like Eminem more, I know that he is from Boston

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:27 pm
by StevieFan13
Axelroberts wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:16 am I like Eminem more, I know that he is from Boston
...Eminem is pretty famously from Detroit.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:53 pm
by bootsy
StevieFan13 wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:27 pm
Axelroberts wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:16 am I like Eminem more, I know that he is from Boston
...Eminem is pretty famously from Detroit.
:laughing-rollingyellow:

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:10 am
by Harold
StevieFan13 wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:27 pm
Axelroberts wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:16 am I like Eminem more, I know that he is from Boston
...Eminem is pretty famously from Detroit.
No, he's from Boston! Can't you read? It's right there in Axel's post. And, according to the text below his post, he like Eminem music and have Instagram profile about him. He must know what he's talking about!

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:35 am
by StevieFan13
Harold wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 3:10 am
StevieFan13 wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:27 pm
Axelroberts wrote: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:16 am I like Eminem more, I know that he is from Boston
...Eminem is pretty famously from Detroit.
No, he's from Boston! Can't you read? It's right there in Axel's post. And, according to the text below his post, he like Eminem music and have Instagram profile about him. He must know what he's talking about!
I'm so sorry, how foolish could I be? Axel's the expert here! I obviously need to watch 8 Mile again and look out for the part where Em does a cypher at the Liberty Bell.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:11 am
by Harold
StevieFan13 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:35 am I'm so sorry, how foolish could I be? Axel's the expert here! I obviously need to watch 8 Mile again and look out for the part where Em does a cypher at the Liberty Bell.
My favorite scene is the one where he pahks the cah at Hahvahd Yahd.

Also, isn't the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia? Unless that's the joke, and we're just mashing up metropoli at random now.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:09 pm
by StevieFan13
Harold wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:11 am
StevieFan13 wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 4:35 am I'm so sorry, how foolish could I be? Axel's the expert here! I obviously need to watch 8 Mile again and look out for the part where Em does a cypher at the Liberty Bell.
My favorite scene is the one where he pahks the cah at Hahvahd Yahd.

Also, isn't the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia? Unless that's the joke, and we're just mashing up metropoli at random now.
Yes, that’s totally me going along with the joke and not conflating Philly and Boston because I just visited Philly.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:06 am
by keater
I'd shuffle it a bit but I agree.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:20 am
by VacantJoy
i think that these hip hop lists are more like a genre of west-coast / east-coast hip-hop rather than a country list

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:51 am
by Henrik
VacantJoy wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:20 am i think that these hip hop lists are more like a genre of west-coast / east-coast hip-hop rather than a country list
I’ll leave that decision to a hip hop expert.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:43 am
by hectorthebat

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 12:37 pm
by VacantJoy
Henrik wrote: Mon Sep 04, 2023 3:51 am
VacantJoy wrote: Thu Aug 31, 2023 11:20 am i think that these hip hop lists are more like a genre of west-coast / east-coast hip-hop rather than a country list
I’ll leave that decision to a hip hop expert.
who?

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:56 pm
by panam
I remember Henrik said one time that a list that only represents a region and not country shouldn't be eligible. So i find this contradictory. Or that criteria have been changed?

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 am
by VacantJoy
panam wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:56 pm I remember Henrik said one time that a list that only represents a region and not country shouldn't be eligible. So i find this contradictory. Or that criteria have been changed?
this case is an exception for me because its about east-coast hip hop subgenre of hip hop music that originated in New York City , but in general cases this type of list could be something like a sub-country so with a lower weight

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:18 pm
by panam
VacantJoy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 am
panam wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:56 pm I remember Henrik said one time that a list that only represents a region and not country shouldn't be eligible. So i find this contradictory. Or that criteria have been changed?
this case is an exception for me because its about east-coast hip hop subgenre of hip hop music that originated in New York City , but in general cases this type of list could be something like a sub-country so with a lower weight
That is a very forced interpretation of what the title says. As some says before it's not "Rapper's Delight" and that's an East Coast song that's not part because it's not from New York.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:24 pm
by panam
To decide the “best” of New York rap would only tell half the story — an uneven one — so instead, we invited a team of writers to rank a new type of local canon: 100 songs that capture a bigger picture of the sound of the city. Old heads will tell you that New York rap is a distinct sound rooted in the ­thunder-and-lightning interplay between kick and snare drums in an East Coast boom-bap track, but really, it’s an attitude, a way to be. It’s the noisy, flashy style Harlem folks pick up across 125th Street and the gruff, no-nonsense speech of Brooklynites, the insular slang of the Queensbridge projects and the versatile blend of cultures you see in a trip through the Bronx.
I don't know where says the lists represents all the East Coast Hip Hop beyond New York.

Re: VULTURE: 100 Songs That Define New York Rap

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:54 pm
by VacantJoy
okay so we leave it where it is..... :romance-kisscheek: