EOY Albums: List Updates

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 7:54 pm

Brad · Post by **Brad** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:27 pm

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panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:13 pm

Last year SOS finished 128. So with results this year it's pretty sure will be in the next top 3000 update.

BleuPanda · Post by **BleuPanda** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:52 pm

Nice to see that the top 3 is currently a close race. Should be interesting to see where this goes.

Jackson · Post by **Jackson** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 10:55 pm

With the performance of Billy Woods, JPEGMAFIA, and a few others, it seems critics are catching up to the online music community on alt-rap.

Glad to see Caroline at #1, that project seemed destined for it after a strong run of singles over the previous two years.

raymaxxp · Post by **raymaxxp** » Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:07 pm

i hope javelin prevails in the end

Illiniq · Post by **Illiniq** » Sat Dec 09, 2023 11:29 pm

Brad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:27 pmPicture2.png

Since the advent of the Poptimist era, say 2015-ish on - my personal favorite album each year almost always seems to land in the 11-15 zone - what a shock that this year my personal top 3 albums - 1) Anonhi 2) Lankum 3) Jessie Ware all seem destined to land in that range.

Have to be honest, surprised by all the PJ Harvey love this year - it's an interesting and at times very original album, which I guess explains it's high finish, but to my ears it's several notches below her top efforts.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:42 am

Like the past few years I look at which albums are in the balance for AM, meaning albums that rank at 35-40, the current average cut-off points for a top 3000 spot:

35 | SZA | SOS
36 | Tomb Mold | The Enduring Spirit
37 | Paramore | This Is Why
38 | jaimie branch | Fly or Die Fly or Die Fly or Die ((world war))
39 | Feist | Multitudes
40 | The Coral | Sea of Mirrors

SZA is a weird one, being a 2022 release. No idea if it will rise or fall here. Otherwise the biggest surprise is Paramore, which I would have guessed to be a lock for placement, but apparently not. Never heard of Tomb Mold before.

For me the biggest shock is Janelle Monaè at 32. When it came out I was surprised that an artist of her caliber, whose latest release dominated the lists of it's year, released an album that caused absolutely no stir. It felt nobody was talking about it at all. Not even bad enough to garner comments on it, but it definitely wasn't beloved. But every year there are at least one or two releases by artists of her stature who release a record with little to no love or hype that seem to make lists almost by default and this is her year I guess. However, by now it could actually make the top 3000 on AM, which seems off.
I say all this without having heard the album myself.

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Fri Dec 15, 2023 8:47 pm

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 11:09 am

Hanging by a threat for AM top 3000 inclusion:

35 | 100 gecs | 10,000 gecs
36 | Everything But the Girl | Fuse
37 | Water From Your Eyes | Everyone's Crushed
38 | Corinne Bailey Rae | Black Rainbows
39 | Queens of the Stone Age | In Times New Roman…
40 | Troye Sivan | Something to Give Each Other

A completely different list than last week; that's rare. Interestingly, my main comments don't go anymore. Janelle Monaè is now below this group and Paramore has risen.

Surprised at the bad showing of CMAT. Last year I thought is was just because it was her debut that it didn't get the full-on love, but this year she seemed to be more known and appreciated.

And also as is traditional critics don't have a clue what to do with the huge King Gizzard output.

Maschine_Man · Post by **Maschine_Man** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:18 pm

Agree with CMAT, one of the best sophomore efforts of recent time. Not sure why Janelle didn't get as much love, the lyrics are a bit more 'silly' than Dirty Computer, maybe?

I suspect Roisin Murphy would have fared much better had her disappointing comments not been made public.

Jackson · Post by **Jackson** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:28 pm

Maschine_Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:18 pm I suspect Roisin Murphy would have fared much better had her disappointing comments not been made public.

Yet somehow Noname wasn't affected. I can't figure that one out.

Sweepstakes Ron · Post by **Sweepstakes Ron** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 3:44 pm

Jackson wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:28 pm
Maschine_Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:18 pm I suspect Roisin Murphy would have fared much better had her disappointing comments not been made public.
Yet somehow Noname wasn't affected. I can't figure that one out.

Especially confounding since Noname's controversy is directly part of the music. Suspicious indeed...

charliepanayi · Post by **charliepanayi** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:39 pm

Jackson wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:28 pm
Maschine_Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:18 pm I suspect Roisin Murphy would have fared much better had her disappointing comments not been made public.
Yet somehow Noname wasn't affected. I can't figure that one out.

Noname was affected to some extent, my betting is she'd be about ten places higher now if not for the Jay Electronica feature. But yeah, Roisin Murphy has been blackballed basically for putting her foot in it big time, it's been a much bigger effect (this isn't really sympathy for Roisin Murphy, I didn't agree with her comments at all, just an observation that as usual the music media displays little consistency in who gets shunned and who doesn't).

Illiniq · Post by **Illiniq** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:36 pm

Jackson wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:28 pm
Maschine_Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2023 1:18 pm I suspect Roisin Murphy would have fared much better had her disappointing comments not been made public.
Yet somehow Noname wasn't affected. I can't figure that one out.

On Roisin - no - feels like it's landing right about where it should - not a top 50 album regardless of what she said and not on same quality level of That! Feels! Good!, Desire, I Want To Turn Into You, Fuse, or Romy, the other big electro-pop/disco-y albums in the top-50.

On Nomame - who knows - but I agree with your sentiment and personally find her politics off-putting.

There's a difference between fighting the good fight/championing the cause of the disadvantaged/marginalized and just toxically calling to burn the whole thing down, and she doesn't grasp that difference.

CarpyDylan · Post by **CarpyDylan** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:02 am

I suspect Roisin Murphy would have fared much better had her disappointing comments not been made public.
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I really don’t like this cancel culture and especially with Roisin’s situation in which I personally think it’s ridiculous that she’s been pulled up by the current internet lynch mob for basically having a concerning opion……..I’m sure in 10 years it will be as irrelevant as when the Beatles got cancelled after Lennons god remarks.
But the cancel is working…….its a great album and would of been easily a top 20 record of the year I believe in the final results

BleuPanda · Post by **BleuPanda** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:33 pm

Roisin Machine only landed at #21 for 2020; even if Hit Parade is on the same level quality wise, it doesn't feel like much of a breakthrough comparatively. I'm sure the controversy dropped her a few spots, but I think people are overstating where it would have otherwise landed. No way it breaks the top 20 if Roisin Machine couldn't.

charliepanayi · Post by **charliepanayi** » Wed Dec 20, 2023 5:12 pm

BleuPanda wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 4:33 pm Roisin Machine only landed at #21 for 2020; even if Hit Parade is on the same level quality wise, it doesn't feel like much of a breakthrough comparatively. I'm sure the controversy dropped her a few spots, but I think people are overstating where it would have otherwise landed. No way it breaks the top 20 if Roisin Machine couldn't.

Disagree, I think this was clearly the one they were hyping up as her best yet (Pitchfork gave her Best New Track twice), I think they were ready to go all-in on crowning it one of the best of the year until her online comments surfaced. The only comparable scenario I know in recent years is Science Fiction by Brand New which got raves and the Jesse Lacey accusations detonated all that

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:21 pm

antonius · Post by **antonius** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 6:15 am

Thanks for this Christmas present Holden!
Merry Christmas!

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 10:10 am

panam · Post by **panam** » Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:39 pm

Thank you very much for the update although Maps deserves the Top 10 much more than the Blur album. Nostalgic conservatism in that trend.

TheLastEnemy · Post by **TheLastEnemy** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:57 pm

Brilliant job, thank you so much. I've spotted a few duplicates: Gina Birch/Burch, Spanish Love Songs, Foo Fighters, Kahil El'Zabar, Juno / _juno, Melenas / Melanas, Raphael Roginski.

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Sun Dec 31, 2023 8:54 pm

prosecutorgodot · Post by **prosecutorgodot** » Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:55 am

Looks like JPEGmafia finally gets a ranking on AM! Props to him.

A list of the "Best New Artists according to EOY lists" each year would be cool to see.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:50 pm

Harold · Post by **Harold** » Mon Jan 01, 2024 7:24 pm

Rob wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 6:50 pm 39 | SZA | SOS

How many points did SOS receive on the 2022 spreadsheet? Enough to take it off the bubble when combined with its 2023 total?

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 5:23 pm

larryblend · Post by **larryblend** » Thu Jan 18, 2024 6:31 pm

I love being in the moment with the song Javelin building up to the delicious epic Shit talk.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 10:21 am

mowino · Post by **mowino** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 3:20 pm

Sufjan done it!!!!

BleuPanda · Post by **BleuPanda** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:12 pm

This is one of the weird years where the highest album on the MCCh winning actually feels like an upset. Caroline Polachek and boygenius absolutely had the narrative throughout the year.

This really feels like the year of long-running acts. Sufjan, PJ Harvey, blur, and ANOHNI all in the top 10 after being around for 20+ years. Slowdive, Fever Ray, and Yo La Tengo in the next block. Then we get bands like Depeche Mode, The Rolling Stones, and Everything But the Girl having unexpected late career hits, as well as Foo Fighters, QOTSA, and Wilco sitting at their level.

I kind of want to go back and see how this has changed over time. Taking a quick glimpse at the early 2000s, most years only have 1 or 2 acts in the top 20 in the 20+ active year range. And even back then, Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan stood out as legacy acts having a comeback. No one really thinks of the above artists in that way (except the ones I mentioned having late career hits).

There are two reasons I think this might be the case. Artists in the past were much more prolific. With most artists slowing down to about 3 years between works (and more for a lot of the artists mentioned above), they're simply releasing a similar amount of albums over a longer amount of time. This is only album #6 for ANOHNI despite that 20+ year career, so her style still feels fresh.

I think this is also an unexpected effect of the internet shift. In the 2000s, I think we lost sense of a unified culture because everyone could find their own niche. But this also means the artists of this era are fighting for their own niche instead of a generalized spotlight. I think this era is much friendlier in regards to giving artists room to grow in their own way. There's less pressure towards conformity.

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:12 pm

BleuPanda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:12 pm This really feels like the year of long-running acts. Sufjan, PJ Harvey, blur, and ANOHNI all in the top 10 after being around for 20+ years. Slowdive, Fever Ray, and Yo La Tengo in the next block. Then we get bands like Depeche Mode, The Rolling Stones, and Everything But the Girl having unexpected late career hits, as well as Foo Fighters, QOTSA, and Wilco sitting at their level.

One thing I've noticed going through the 2000-2006 lists is that in the EOY lists, generally, legacy acts benefit much more than they do down the line with All-Time lists and decade lists. (There are exceptions, of course, for example Franz Ferdinand absolutely wiped the floor with their 2004 debut).

I am greatly pleased to see ANOHNI's absolutely amazing album reached the top ten, it felt like it was really fighting to stay even in the top 15 for a while there. Right above it, unfortunately, is Blur's middling return, which I'm pretty disappointed to see as high as it is.

VacantJoy · Post by **VacantJoy** » Sun Jan 21, 2024 6:18 pm

Holden is right I have noticed the same thing while I was transcribing some of the EOYs (2000-2006)

panam · Post by **panam** » Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:03 am

BleuPanda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:12 pm This is one of the weird years where the highest album on the MCCh winning actually feels like an upset. Caroline Polachek and boygenius absolutely had the narrative throughout the year.

This really feels like the year of long-running acts. Sufjan, PJ Harvey, blur, and ANOHNI all in the top 10 after being around for 20+ years. Slowdive, Fever Ray, and Yo La Tengo in the next block. Then we get bands like Depeche Mode, The Rolling Stones, and Everything But the Girl having unexpected late career hits, as well as Foo Fighters, QOTSA, and Wilco sitting at their level.

I kind of want to go back and see how this has changed over time. Taking a quick glimpse at the early 2000s, most years only have 1 or 2 acts in the top 20 in the 20+ active year range. And even back then, Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan stood out as legacy acts having a comeback. No one really thinks of the above artists in that way (except the ones I mentioned having late career hits).

There are two reasons I think this might be the case. Artists in the past were much more prolific. With most artists slowing down to about 3 years between works (and more for a lot of the artists mentioned above), they're simply releasing a similar amount of albums over a longer amount of time. This is only album #6 for ANOHNI despite that 20+ year career, so her style still feels fresh.

I think this is also an unexpected effect of the internet shift. In the 2000s, I think we lost sense of a unified culture because everyone could find their own niche. But this also means the artists of this era are fighting for their own niche instead of a generalized spotlight. I think this era is much friendlier in regards to giving artists room to grow in their own way. There's less pressure towards conformity.

I believe that in 2024, younger generations are abandoning written music criticism and consuming more YouTube and social media critics. If you review their year lists you will find a mostly different profile and in another direction (especially under 30). It may be hateful to say it but written music criticism has aged and will naturally advocate nostalgia.

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:45 pm

Looking at the end date I've set for these spreadsheets, the next update for both songs and albums, is going to be the final one after the Grammys. It probably won't be the day of or after, it'll take me a little bit, but rest assured, it is coming.

As I've stated before, I'm more than willing to, upon request from Henrik in regards to a specific upcoming AM update, go through and update the spreadsheets with a specific list of previously missed sources. However, I just don't want to be perpetually updating these sheets with every possible source. So if you find a source after the final update, post it and when that update eventually comes, it will be added if eligible.

VacantJoy · Post by **VacantJoy** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:54 pm

are older EOYs included too in this Holden ? EOY 2022-2014 or older
if i find time i will try to give a look at 2023 when Grammys are posted
your work is appreciated thanks

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:56 pm

VacantJoy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:54 pm are older EOYs included too in this Holden ? EOY 2022-2014 or older
if i find time i will try to give a look at 2023 when Grammys are posted
your work is appreciated thanks

I’ll update older spreadsheets if requested by Henrik and with a specific list of missing lists

larryblend · Post by **larryblend** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:51 pm

So this list is complete right? since the Grammys picked a 2022 album for best album.

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:53 pm

larryblend wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 3:51 pm So this list is complete right? since the Grammys picked a 2022 album for best album.

No, I have to go through some other sources still. I’ll work on it soon.

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:09 pm

JSG · Post by **JSG** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:15 pm

Woohoo! Thank you so much for all the work you do with the albums and songs! I know you compile other lists as well that are greatly appreciated. I hope you realize how much happiness you deliver to so many people all over the world!

Holden · Post by **Holden** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 6:30 pm

JSG wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 5:15 pm Woohoo! Thank you so much for all the work you do with the albums and songs! I know you compile other lists as well that are greatly appreciated. I hope you realize how much happiness you deliver to so many people all over the world!

Aww! Thanks, that means a lot.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Feb 10, 2024 11:28 pm

And the final list of hanging-on-for-dear-life. Will these be included on AM? Time will tell.

35 | Sofia Kourtesis | Madres
36 | jaimie branch | Fly or Die Fly or Die Fly or Die ((world war))
37 | L'Rain | I Killed Your Dog
38 | 100 gecs | 10,000 gecs
39 | Everything But the Girl | Fuse
40 | Wilco | Cousin

So The National and Troye Sivan moved into the "safety zone", trading their places with Sofia Kourtesis and jamie branch. Not a good trade-off if you ask me. Furthermore, bar italia dropped out, while 100 Gecs moved in. I don't have strong feelings about that.

Deleted account · Post by **Deleted account** » Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:52 am

Thanks a lot for all your hard work Holden. It is sincerely appreciated. This final top 200 of the year is an achievement you can be proud of.

diannehernandez · Post by **diannehernandez** » Thu Jun 27, 2024 7:36 am

I'm hoping that Javelin wins in the end.