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4. Joni Mitchell - Blue (1971)
Score: 1,282.15 (Votes: 19)
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3. Bjork - Post (1995)
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2. Björk - Homogenic (1997)
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1. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love (1985)
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Postby prosecutorgodot » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:47 am

In the trees! It's coming!

Thanks so much for running the poll, BP. Looking forward to the songs results.

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Postby Dexter » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:56 am

AMFers really love their Bjork!

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Postby StevieFan13 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:11 am

A deserving winner! Here's hoping she matches that success in the songs poll.
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I have absolutely nothing to complain about. Fantastic list and presentation! Thanks BleuPanda!
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Postby Maschine_Man » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:06 am

What a fantastic collection of albums! (and so much Bjork <3) A very big thank you BP for the roll-out!

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Postby bonnielaurel » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:39 pm

Thanks for organizing this project, BP. I hope this helps to achieve more recognition for female artists in general.
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Postby Listyguy » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm

Great rollout, Bleu! Looking forward to the songs poll!

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby Jackson » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:39 pm

I didn't expect Kate Bush to win at all. That was great.

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Postby BleuPanda » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:53 pm

I was really surprised by Hounds of Love while compiling the results. It didn't just win; it blew everything else away. Over a 200 point lead and 4 more votes than anything else. 24 of 27 people included it in their list. The only people who didn't include it were Henry, Father2TheMan, and andyd1010.

What also surprises me, then, is that The Kick Inside tumbled about 20 spots compared to our all-time poll.

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Postby Jirin » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:10 pm

Totally forgot about Hounds Of Love. I thought maybe people voted VU & Nico. Deserving and surprising winner.

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby Nassim » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:21 pm

Post and Homogenic seem to always end up pretty much tied in our polls, but always above Debut. Still seems odd Debut is still her highest ranked album on AM.

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby BleuPanda » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm

Here's the whole list in a single post:
1. Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love (1985)
2. Björk - Homogenic (1997)
3. Bjork - Post (1995)
4. Joni Mitchell - Blue (1971)
5. Portishead - Dummy (1994)
6. Patti Smith - Horses (1975)
7. Björk - Debut (1993)
8. Aretha Franklin - I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (1967)
9. Carole King - Tapestry (1971)
10. PJ Harvey - Let England Shake (2011)
11. Blondie - Parallel Lines (1978)
12. Amy Winehouse - Back to Black (2006)
13. Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid (2010)
14. Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman (1988)
15. Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
16. Joanna Newsom - Ys (2006)
17. PJ Harvey - To Bring You My Love (1995)
18. Björk - Vespertine (2001)
19. Cyndi Lauper - She's So Unusual (1983)
20. Tori Amos - Little Earthquakes (1992)
21. Dusty Springfield - Dusty In Memphis (1969)
22. Madonna - Ray of Light (1998)
23. Portishead - Third (2008)
24. The Knife - Silent Shout (2006)
25. Joni Mitchell - Court and Spark (1974)
26. Lauryn Hill - The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (1998)
27. Nina Simone - Pastel Blues (1965)
28. Pretenders - Pretenders (1980)
29. Aretha Franklin - Lady Soul (1968)
30. Sinead O'Connor - I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got (1990)
31. Sleater-Kinney - The Woods (2005)
32. Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill (1995)
33. Sleater-Kinney - One Beat (2002)
34. Grimes - Art Angels (2015)
35. Sleater-Kinney - Dig Me Out (1997)
36. Liz Phair - Exile In Guyville (1993)
37. Adele - 21 (2011)
38. Madonna - Like a Prayer (1989)
39. PJ Harvey - Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea (2000)
40. Beyonce - Lemonade (2016)
41. Lorde - Melodrama (2017)
42. Fever Ray - Fever Ray (2009)
43. The xx - xx (2009)
44. Janis Joplin - Pearl (1971)
45. Joni Mitchell - Ladies of the Canyon (1970)
46. Joanna Newsom - Have One on Me (2010)
47. Erykah Badu - Baduizm (1997)
48. Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares - Le Mystère des Voix Bulgares (1975)
49. Courtney Barnett - Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit (2015)
50. Big Brother And The Holding Company - Cheap Thrills (1968)
51. Nina Simone - Little Girl Blue/Jazz as Played in an Exclusive Side Street Club (1958)
52. M.I.A. - Kala (2007)
53. Cocteau Twins - Treasure (1984)
54. Fiona Apple - When The Pawn (1999)
55. Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On A Gravel Road (1998)
56. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Fever to Tell (2003)
57. Hole - Live Through This (1994)
58. Ella Fitzgerald - Ella Fitzgerald Sings the Cole Porter Song Book (1956)
59. St. Vincent - MASSEDUCTION (2017)
60. Julia Holter - Loud City Song (2013)
61. Sade - Diamond Life (1984)
62. PJ Harvey - Rid Of Me (1993)
63. Fiona Apple - The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than the Driver of the Screw and Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do (2012)
64. Beach House - Teen Dream (2010)
65. Etta James - At Last! (1960)
66. Joan Baez - Joan Baez (1960)
67. Antony and the Johnsons - I Am a Bird Now (2005)
68. Laura Nyro - Eli and the Thirteenth Confession (1968)
69. Robyn - Body Talk (2010)
70. Nina Simone - Wild is the Wind (1966)
71. Julia Holter - Have You in My Wilderness (2015)
72. Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man - Out of Season (2002)
73. Suzanne Vega - Solitude Standing (1987)
74. Anaïs Mitchell - Hadestown (2010)
75. PJ Harvey - White Chalk (2007)
76. Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow (1967)
77. The Supremes - Where Did Our Love Go (1964)
78. The Ronettes - Presenting the Fabulous Ronettes Featuring Veronica (1964)
79. Yeah Yeah Yeahs - It's Blitz! (2009)
80. Lykke Li - Wounded Rhymes (2011)
81. Lana Del Rey - Ultraviolence (2014)
82. Linda Ronstadt - Heart Like a Wheel (1974)
83. The B-52's - The B-52's (1979)
84. Kate Bush - The Kick Inside (1978)
85. Saint Etienne - So Tough (1993)
86. Julee Cruise - Floating Into the Night (1989)
87. Whitney Houston - Whitney Houston (1985)
88. Stereolab - Emperor Tomato Ketchup (1996)
89. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas (1990)
90. Sheena Ringo - Kalk Samen Kuri no Hana (2003)
91. M.I.A. - Arular (2005)
92. St. Vincent - Strange Mercy (2011)
93. PJ Harvey - Dry (1992)
94. PJ Harvey - Is This Desire? (1998)
95. Sheryl Crow - Tuesday Night Music Club (1994)
96. Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda (1971)
97. Florence + the Machine - Lungs (2009)
98. TLC - CrazySexyCool (1994)
99. Lana Del Rey - Born To Die (2012)
100. Sharon Van Etten - Are We There (2014)
101. Janet Jackson - Control (1986)
102. Richard and Linda Thompson - I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight (1974)
103. Portishead - Portishead (1997)
104. Joanna Newsom - The Milk Eyed Mender (2004)
105. Tina Turner - Private Dancer (1984)
106. Marianne Faithfull - Broken English (1979)
107. Kate Bush - The Dreaming (1982)
108. Garbage - Garbage (1995)
109. Various Artists - A Christmas Gift for You From Philles Records (1963)
110. Laura Nyro - New York Tendaberry (1969)
111. The Sundays - Reading, Writing and Arithmetic (1990)
112. Mitski - Puberty 2 (2016)
113. Bonnie Raitt - Nick of Time (1989)
114. Joan Armatrading - Joan Armatrading (1976)
115. ABBA - Arrival (1976)
116. Billie Holiday - Lady in Satin (1958)
117. Grimes - Visions (2012)
118. Laura Marling - Semper Femina (2017)
119. Joni Mitchell - Hejira (1976)
120. St. Vincent - St. Vincent (2014)
121. Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This...) (1983)
122. Sinead O'Connor - The Lion and the Cobra (1987)
123. Cesária Évora - Miss Perfumado (1992)
124. No Doubt - Tragic Kingdom (1995)
125. Fiona Apple - Tidal (1996)
126. Anita Baker - Rapture (1986)
127. Feist - The Reminder (2007)
128. Fleetwood Mac - Fleetwood Mac (1975)
129. Beyonce - Beyonce (2013)
130. Sleater-Kinney - No Cities To Love (2015)
131. Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day (1970)
132. Sarah McLachlan - Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (1993)
133. Laura Marling - Once I Was an Eagle (2013)
134. Wolf Alice - Visions of a Life (2017)
135. Robyn - Robyn (2004)
136. Jessie Ware - Devotion (2012)
137. Julia Holter - Ekstasis (2012)
138. Mary Margaret O'Hara - Miss America (1988)
139. Florence + The Machine - How Big, How Blue, How Beautiful (2015)
140. Judee Sill - Heart Food (1973)
141. Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega (1985)
142. The Slits - Cut (1979)
143. Sarah McLachlan - Surfacing (1997)
144. Millie Jackson - Caught Up (1974)
145. Laurie Anderson - Big Science (1982)
146. Joni Mitchell - The Hissing Of Summer Lawns (1975)
147. The Kills - Midnight Boom (2008)
148. Bat for Lashes - Two Suns (2009)
149. The Go! Team - Thunder, Lightning, Strike (2004)
150. Tori Amos - Boys for Pele (1996)
151. Madonna - Like A Virgin (1984)
152. Savages - Silence Yourself (2013)
153. Solange - A Seat at the Table (2016)
154. ABBA - Super Trouper (1980)
155. The Pipettes - We Are The Pipettes (2006)
156. Sarah Vaughan - Sarah Vaughan (1955)
157. The Knife - Shaking the Habitual (2013)
158. Björk - Medúlla (2004)
159. Norah Jones - Come Away With Me (2002)
160. Madonna - Madonna (1983)
161. Adele - 25 (2015)
162. Nico - Desertshore (1970)
163. Whitney Houston - Whitney (1987)
164. Buffy Sainte-Marie - It's My Way! (1964)
165. Bjork - Vulnicura (2015)
166. Bjork - Utopia (2017)
167. Stevie Nicks - Bella Donna (1981)
168. Goldfrapp - Felt Mountain (2000)
169. Emmylou Harris - Wrecking Ball (1995)
170. Patti Smith Group - Easter (1978)
171. First Aid Kit - Stay Gold (2014)
172. Angel Olsen - My Woman (2016)
173. Kate Tempest - Let Them Eat Chaos (2016)
174. Enya - Watermark (1988)
175. Billie Holiday - Lady Sings the Blues (1956)
176. Betty Davis - Betty Davis (1973)
177. Heart - Dreamboat Annie (1975)
178. Cat Power - You Are Free (2003)
179. Gillian Welch - Time (The Revelator) (2001)
180. k.d. lang - Ingenue (1992)
181. Young Marble Giants - Colossal Youth (1980)
182. Fever Ray - Plunge (2017)
183. Yazoo - Upstairs at Eric's (1982)
184. Santigold - Santogold (2008)
185. The Go-Go's - Beauty And The Beat (1981)
186. Sleigh Bells - Treats (2010)
187. Tori Amos - Under the Pink (1994)
188. Kacey Musgraves - Same Trailer, Different Park (2013)
189. Elastica - Elastica (1995)
190. Annie - Anniemal (2004)
191. Minnie Riperton - Come to My Garden (1970)
192. Janet Jackson - Rhythm Nation 1814 (1989)
193. Gal Costa - Gal Costa (1969)
194. The Fiery Furnaces - Blueberry Boat (2004)
195. Aimee Mann - Bachelor No. 2 (Or, the Last Remains of the Dodo) (2000)
196. Madonna - True Blue (1986)
197. Weyes Blood - Front Row Seat To Earth (2016)
198. Mazzy Star - So Tonight That I Might See (1993)
199. Joni Mitchell - For the Roses (1972)
200. PJ Harvey - The Hope Six Demolition Project (2016)
201. Kate & Anna McGarrigle - Kate & Anna McGarrigle (1976)
202. The Pretenders - Learning to Crawl (1984)
203. The Raincoats - The Raincoats (1979)
204. The xx - I See You (2017)
205. Patsy Cline - Showcase (1961)
206. Nico - The Marble Index (1968)
207. Eurythmics - Touch (1983)
208. The Cranberries - No Need To Argue (1994)
209. X-Ray Spex - Germfree Adolescents (1978)
210. Antony and the Johnsons - The Crying Light (2009)
211. Electrelane - The Power Out (2004)
212. The Staple Singers - Be Altitude: Respect Yourself (1972)
213. The Pretenders - Get Close (1986)
214. Björk - Selmasongs (2000)
215. Fleetwood Mac - Tusk (1979)
216. Cesária Évora - Mar Azul (1991)
217. Gang Gang Dance - Saint Dymphna (2008)
218. Lady Gaga - Born This Way (2011)
219. The Cardigans - Gran Turismo (1998)
220. Bobbie Gentry - Ode to Billie Joe (1967)
221. Linda Ronstadt - Simple Dreams (1977)
222. Barbara - Barbara N° 2 (1965)
223. The Mamas & The Papas - If You Can Believe Your Eyes And Ears (1966)
224. Florence + The Machine - Ceremonials (2011)
225. Carly Rae Jepsen - E*MO*TION (2015)
226. Fiona Apple - Extraordinary Machine (2005)
227. Heart - Heart (1985)
228. Aretha Franklin - Aretha Now (1968)
229. Camera Obscura - Let's Get Out of This Country (2006)
230. Cowboy Junkies - The Trinity Session (1988)
231. Suzanne Vega - 99.9 F° (1992)
232. FKA Twigs - LP1 (2014)
233. Fugees - The Score (1996)
234. Kylie Minogue - Fever (2001)
235. Violeta Parra - Las Últimas Composiciones de Violeta Parra (1966)
236. Brigitte Fontaine & Art Ensemble of Chicago - Comme à la radio (1970)
237. Carly Simon - No Secrets (1972)
238. Joanna Newsom - Divers (2015)
239. Janet Jackson - Janet. (1993)
240. Basia - Time and Tide (1987)
241. Candi Staton - I'm Just a Prisoner (1969)
242. ABBA - The Album (1977)
243. Carla Bley & Paul Haines - Escalator Over the Hill (1971)
244. Tune-Yards - W H O K I L L (2011)
245. Case/Lang/Veirs - Case/Lang/Veirs (2016)
246. Françoise Hardy - Tous les garçons et les filles (1962)
247. Toni Braxton - Secrets (1996)
248. Loretta Lynn - Van Lear Rose (2004)
249. Grace Jones - Nightclubbing (1981)
250. Laura Marling - I Speak Because I Can (2010)

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby BleuPanda » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:52 pm

Decade breakdown for top 250:
1950s: 5
1960s: 25
1970s: 40
1980s: 38
1990s: 45
2000s: 43
2010s: 54

Just the top 100:
1950s: 2
1960s: 12
1970s: 13
1980s: 10
1990s: 24
2000s: 19
2010s: 20

Years with at least 3 albums in the top 100:
1968
1971 (4)
1993 (4)
1994 (4)
1995
1997
1998 (4)
2005
2006
2009 (4)
2010 (5)
2011 (4)
2015


So, more recent years tend to have more representation. I feel there's probably a variety of reasons for this: many of us probably haven't heard the lesser known works by women of earlier decades, recent albums are more fresh on our mind, and perhaps more recent decades of music journalism have been doing a better job of representing women (and related, most likely more women are being given a better position to express themselves).

I think I'm going to check the acclaimed music list to see if this holds up; how many women have an album in the top 10 for each year? I'll be back once I'm done.

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby BleuPanda » Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:28 pm

So, looking at the acclaimed music list by gender was disheartening...but! It's clearly getting better with time. I looked at the top 10 from 1954 on:
Out of 640 albums in the top 10 for each year, 95 are by (or largely feature) women. So, women account for a little under 15% of each year's top 10.

Numbers:
1993 is the first year to have at least 3 albums by women in the top 10 (it actually had 4)
2015 is the only year with 5 albums by women; every other year has men in the majority
16 years have no albums by women in their top 10; the most recent was 2004

Share of the 95 albums by decade:
1954-1959: 8 albums
1960-1969: 11
1970-1979: 8
1980-1989: 9
1990-1999: 17
2000-2009: 16
2010-2017: 26

So even on the acclaimed music list, the 2010s are far ahead of decades for representation of women, even while lacking two years. While the overall average is about 15%, the 2010s have a 32.5% representation rate.

Years with at least 3 albums by women:
1993 (4)
1995
2006 (4)
2009 (4)
2010 (3)
2011 (4)
2012 (4)
2014
2015 (5)
2016
2017

So, every year since 2009 besides 2013 has had at least 3 albums by women. You may remember from an earlier discussion that 2013 is an odd year in many ways (I believe it only had one album in the top 10 by an artist that hadn't already had an album in the top 10 for a year).

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby andyd1010 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:26 pm

Cool stats! Good to see the upward trend. Nice job with this, BleuPanda. Looking forward to the songs (and I'll submit my list soon).

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Postby Bruno » Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:56 pm

Thanks a lot, BleuPanda!
Great presentation.

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Postby DaveC » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:11 pm

Thanks BleuPanda. I did not expect "Hounds of Love" to win. The songs poll will be intriguing.

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Postby Rob » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:46 pm

BleuPanda wrote:(and related, most likely more women are being given a better position to express themselves).


This is actually a very important point. Women by and large have long been instruments for male made music. Remember the revolutionary years in music in the sixties? Probably the worst decade for women (and yes, I know there are exceptions). I really think that possibilities for women in almost all the arts have opened op more with each passing decade.

I'm not that surprised about Hounds of Love. It was very clear in the past that this was a HUGE album here.

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby Jirin » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:24 pm

Oi wonder if recent shifts in culture have also given women more creative freedom and creative courage.

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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby bonnielaurel » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:33 am

Some big names of the 1960s are missing: Barbra Streisand, Dionne Warwick, Nancy Sinatra, Melanie, Gladys Knight, Miriam Makeba, France Gall, Celia Cruz, Amália Rodrigues, Astrud Gilberto.
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Postby Henrik » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:05 pm

BleuPanda, it would be great if you can post the whole spreadsheet.
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Postby BleuPanda » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:23 pm

Oh, sure. (I'm secretly afraid I'll have missed combining a line or two of data and someone will notice and yell at me)
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Postby Henry » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:59 pm

Nassim wrote:Post and Homogenic seem to always end up pretty much tied in our polls, but always above Debut. Still seems odd Debut is still her highest ranked album on AM.


The love for Bjork in this forum is quite compelling. I am not much of a fan of Bjork, but 3 of her albums placing in the top 7 here is extremely impressive.

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Postby Father2TheMan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:31 pm

Jirin wrote:I have a question for people who voted Tuesday Night Music Club and not Sheryl Crow s/t. I'm surprised to see the former rated higher than the later, to me Tuesday Night Music Club is All I Wanna Do, Strong Enough, then filler, whereas I think If It Makes You Happy and Every Day Is A Winding Road are individually much stronger than those two songs, and then the rest of the album is more uniformly strong. I knew All I Wanna Do was her most acclaimed single but I always thought of s/t as her most acclaimed album.

Hell, I'd put the heavily flawed Globe Sessions above TNMC, as a whole album.


Can't comment on GLOBE SESSIONS as I've never listened to that one as an album but as Far as S/T goes, I only really love If It Makes You Happy (which I agree is a strong tune and better than All I Wanna Do and Strong Enough). The other two singles I'll listen to if they come on the radio but I seldom deliberately choose them myself. TNMC has a stronger collection of album CUTS IMO. I love the opening line of Run, Baby, Run and We Do What We Can is a tender homage to her musical buddies. I also like No One Said it Would Be Easy.
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Re: AMF's Top 250 Albums by Women

Postby Father2TheMan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 4:34 pm

bonnielaurel wrote:Some big names of the 1960s are missing: Barbra Streisand, Dionne Warwick, Nancy Sinatra, Melanie, Gladys Knight, Miriam Makeba, France Gall, Celia Cruz, Amália Rodrigues, Astrud Gilberto.


I don't like any Streisand albums well enough to place them among my all-time favourites. I did however place at least one of hers on my Song list (And I know I had 3 or 4 from her on the 775 song list I started with)
"The laughs come hard in Old Lang Syne....."


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