Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by **Henrik** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:43 am

Bang Jan wrote:Rock'n'roll Star by Oasis should be 1993 as it originally appeared on the EP Live Demonstration.

I think I will not change this, as this EP was a promo (according to RYM).

Post by **Henrik** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:45 am

lagire wrote:I Am a Bird Now seems to be mentionned on 2008 edition
http://rocklistmusic.co.uk/1001Albums.htm#Changes
Idem for
Muse – Black Holes & Revelations
Arcade Fire Neon Bible
Good, the Bad and the Queen, The The Good, the Bad and the Queen
Klaxons Myths of the Near Future
Aguilera, Christina – Back to Basics

The 2008 edition is actually not included on AM.

Post by **Henrik** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:00 am

Listyguy wrote:Why is the Stay With Me Remix specified for Biggie's "One More Chance"? Doesn't AM count all versions/remixes as one song? In that vein, "One More Chance" was originally released in 1994.

I guess this is a matter of discussion, but this is not just a remix. As said on Wikipedia "The remix has a completely different sound than the original". Also, the original and the remix have different featured artists.

Bang Jan · Post by **Bang Jan** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:51 am

Henrik wrote:
Bang Jan wrote:Franco's artist page is broken.
Franco's only album was deleted, since it is a compilation, so he should not appear anywhere. Do you remember where you saw a link?

On the artist list for Congo.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:58 am

Micachu & Micachu and The Shapes, aren't same artist?
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/micachu

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:13 am

Mills, Jeff Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo appears on the book "Mojo (UK) - The Mojo Collection, 3rd and/or 4th Edition (2003/2007) " under the title Mix-Up Vol. 2 at 2nd order

https://rateyourmusic.com/release/djmix ... om_-tokyo/

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Sun Oct 08, 2017 7:29 am

i saw Mingus, Charles Mingus Dynasty, released in 1960 instead of 1976
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/charles_mingus

Mingus, Charles Mingus at Antibes, on contrary 1976 instead of 1960
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... t-antibes/

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:19 pm

Original Broadway Cast My Fair Lady seems to be in Elvis Costello - 500 Albums You Need (2000)
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/dacapo/e ... he_best/2/

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:37 pm

JOHN COLTRANE
"A Love Supreme." appears on the list Elvis Costello - The Best Songs from the 500 Best Albums Ever (2000)
Don't know which part of the song is.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 3:49 pm

Desafinado by stan getz appears on the list Elvis Costello - The Best Songs from the 500 Best Albums Ever (2000)

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 7:56 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Sweepstakes Ron wrote:So Duke Ellington's "Black, Brown, and Beige" is a whole symphony, and "Come Sunday" is just one movement of one of the three suites of the symphony, and then they're listed as separate songs here... is there something I'm missing?
Looking back, I think they should stay separate, because although "Come Sunday" was initially part of the larger work, it has become a standard in its own right. However, this opens up another problem.

One of the list "Come Sunday" appears on is Mauro Ronconi (Italy) - The Best Song from the 200 Best Albums (1998). I'm not certain which album it is from in this book, but I have reason to believe it's the 1958 album Black, Brown, and Beige, a revised version of the suite the features Mahalia Jackson. If so, that would be the same version as this song from Steve Sullivan's Encyclopedia of Great Popular Song Recordings, which is not listed for "Come Sunday" on AM.
stevejazz wrote:Come Sunday (July 3, 1958) - Mahalia Jackson with Duke Ellington & His Orchestra
Should that be separate from the one already listed, or not?

And to take it even further, two versions of "Black, Brown, and Beige" were mentioned in Guido Michielone's Jazz Forever.
stefanocarraro wrote:DUKE ELLINGTON - BLACK, BROWN AND BEIDGE (1943)
DUKE ELLINGTON & MAHALIA JACKSON - BLACK BROWN AND BEIDGE (1958)
The first one should obviously be counted towards the song already on AM, but what of the second one? Should that be counted as an album, even though its from a songs list?

Mauro Ronconi's song pick is taken from this compilation and I think that the Mahalia Jackson version should probably be counted separately, so no problem there.

However, I think the best approach would be to have a "Black, Brown, and Beige/Come Sunday" entry for Duke Ellington and the same for Duke Ellington & Mahalia Jackson (even though Mahalia is only featured on the album).

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:55 am

lagire wrote:i think this list don't have the correct title in critic's list "Gilles Verlant (France) - 300+ Best Albums in the History of Rock (2013) "
It would be preferable "Gilles Verlant-Thomas Caussé (France) - The Perfect Discography of Rock Odyssey (2006-2013)"

That sounds a bit odd, to be honest.

Original title: La Discothèque Parfaite de l'Odyssée du Rock

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:58 pm

StevieFan13 wrote:I don't think the Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll list was compiled in 1995 - while it may have been envisioned for the museum's opening, Rocklist dates it to 2004, which makes a little more sense (you think they'd consider a song like "Loser" that important already when it was only released the year before?).

Where did you see 1995? Because I have listed it as "1994?". But it is from 1995 according to this page: http://rockyout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rock ... k_and_Roll

The date on rocklist must be when the list was published there, but I had it a lot earlier. In fact, it was one of the first lists I found and I started collecting lists in...1995!

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:05 pm

Henrik wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:I don't think the Songs That Shaped Rock and Roll list was compiled in 1995 - while it may have been envisioned for the museum's opening, Rocklist dates it to 2004, which makes a little more sense (you think they'd consider a song like "Loser" that important already when it was only released the year before?).
Where did you see 1995? Because I have listed it as "1994?". But it is from 1995 according to this page: http://rockyout.wikia.com/wiki/The_Rock ... k_and_Roll

The date on rocklist must be when the list was published there, but I had it a lot earlier. In fact, it was one of the first lists I found and I started collecting lists in...1995!

The museum proper didn't open until 1995, although the Hall has been running since 1986. But yeah, I guess that does make sense.

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:11 pm

lagire wrote:Animals, The The Animals 1964 appears on the list "Giannis Petridis (Greece) - 2004 of the Best Albums of the Century (2003) "
under the title "The House of the Rising Sun", isn't it?
Idem for Antônio Carlos Jobim The Composer of Desafinado, Plays under the title ''Antônio Carlos Jobim"

I don't feel so sure about these.

Post by **Henrik** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:42 am

lagire wrote:In AM, at this moment, we have 2 same lists
Jimmy Guterman (USA) - The 100 Best Rock and Roll Records of All Time (1992) which is an order one
Jimmy Guterman (USA) - The Best Rock and Roll Records (online version) which is an non order one.
Some albums are on the 2 lists but have only one entry in AM (order or non order).
Ex: The Blasters Hard Line N°91 and Rod Stewart Every Picture Tells a Story Non order (However this album is N°1 on ordered version)

is this 2 separate lists or do you make a mix between the 2 lists, cos we only find the non ordre one in critics list.
It makes confusion...

It seems like I erased the 1992 version after I found the online version where JG says that he wasn't happy with the book. I think the page for "Hard Line" just hasn't been updated.

However, the decision to remove the 1992 book seems a bit rashed now, I think.

panam · Post by **panam** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:05 pm

Henrik wrote:
lagire wrote:In AM, at this moment, we have 2 same lists
Jimmy Guterman (USA) - The 100 Best Rock and Roll Records of All Time (1992) which is an order one
Jimmy Guterman (USA) - The Best Rock and Roll Records (online version) which is an non order one.
Some albums are on the 2 lists but have only one entry in AM (order or non order).
Ex: The Blasters Hard Line N°91 and Rod Stewart Every Picture Tells a Story Non order (However this album is N°1 on ordered version)

is this 2 separate lists or do you make a mix between the 2 lists, cos we only find the non ordre one in critics list.
It makes confusion...
It seems like I erased the 1992 version after I found the online version where JG says that he wasn't happy with the book. I think the page for "Hard Line" just hasn't been updated.

However, the decision to remove the 1992 book seems a bit rashed now, I think.

https://rateyourmusic.com/list/AlRog/th ... _guterman/

Post by **Henrik** » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:39 pm

panam wrote:
Henrik wrote:
lagire wrote:In AM, at this moment, we have 2 same lists
Jimmy Guterman (USA) - The 100 Best Rock and Roll Records of All Time (1992) which is an order one
Jimmy Guterman (USA) - The Best Rock and Roll Records (online version) which is an non order one.
Some albums are on the 2 lists but have only one entry in AM (order or non order).
Ex: The Blasters Hard Line N°91 and Rod Stewart Every Picture Tells a Story Non order (However this album is N°1 on ordered version)

is this 2 separate lists or do you make a mix between the 2 lists, cos we only find the non ordre one in critics list.
It makes confusion...
It seems like I erased the 1992 version after I found the online version where JG says that he wasn't happy with the book. I think the page for "Hard Line" just hasn't been updated.

However, the decision to remove the 1992 book seems a bit rashed now, I think.
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/AlRog/th ... _guterman/

Thanks. For another update.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Tue Oct 17, 2017 9:15 am

Henrik wrote:
lagire wrote:Animals, The The Animals 1964 appears on the list "Giannis Petridis (Greece) - 2004 of the Best Albums of the Century (2003) "
under the title "The House of the Rising Sun", isn't it?
Idem for Antônio Carlos Jobim The Composer of Desafinado, Plays under the title ''Antônio Carlos Jobim"
I don't feel so sure about these.

Ok but according to this post
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... f=3&t=1332
there are not compilations and as well as in Discogs and RYM, there's no mention of this album title.
Aren't they another greek title for the albums i have mentionned ?

DDD troll account · Post by **DDD troll account** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 6:53 am

Here's something I thought I had already posted but I couldn't find the post so here goes: The list of the Top 30 Black Sabbath songs from eclipsed appears as "The Top 30 Beatles Songs" on the individual song pages.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:12 pm

Nighthawk, Robert Live on Maxwell Street 1964/And This Is Maxwell Street SEEMS TO BE RELEASED in 1980
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/robert_nighthawk

o.m. · Post by **o.m.** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:00 pm

Don't forget that LIPPS INC ' Funky town is from 1979....

o.m. · Post by **o.m.** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:04 pm

Don't forget for the update that LIPPS INC. Funky town is from 1979....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_t ... nc._album)

Post by **Henrik** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:15 pm

o.m. wrote:Don't forget for the update that LIPPS INC. Funky town is from 1979....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouth_t ... nc._album)

It's 1980 according to RYM though, but has loads of 1979 issues at Discogs, so you are probably correct.
https://rateyourmusic.com/admin/corq/?album_id=53867
https://www.discogs.com/artist/26641-Lipps-Inc

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:13 am

Louis Armstrong St Louis Blues seems to be also mentionned in Guardian (UK) - A history of modern music (2011)

https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl ... t-download

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:29 pm

lagire wrote:Louis Armstrong St Louis Blues seems to be also mentionned in Guardian (UK) - A history of modern music (2011)

https://www.theguardian.com/news/databl ... t-download

I'm pretty sure it refers to Bessie Smith's version.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Louis_Blues_(song)
"The 1925 version sung by Bessie Smith, with Louis Armstrong on cornet..."

Post by **Henrik** » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:40 am

lagire wrote:From the previous 2014 Update Error.
On this source, The n°48 seems to be "Sweet Jane" songs from The Velvet underground and not Lou Reed.
http://www.muzieklijstjes.nl/mojosong.htm
You keep the lou reed song on AM and not include the velvet one.

I own the magazine and the information is this:

48 Sweet Jane
Writer Lou Reed
Original version Velvet underground ( on Loaded, 1970)
Definitive version Lou Reed
Available on Rock and Roll Animal (1974)

The person at muzieklijstjes must have just assumed that the VU version was also the definitive version.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:45 pm

Mississippi John Hurt Frankie appears on the list Guardian (UK) - A history of modern music (2011)
idem for Louis Armstrong with Earl Hines Weather Bird

Krurze · Post by **Krurze** » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:50 pm

Augustus Pablo's King Tubby Meets Rockers Uptown is listed by Wikipedia, Allmusic and Discogs as a 1976 release. Also, both Discogs and Wikipedia list the song of the same name as a 1974 single.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:20 am

Wes Montgomery Smokin' at the Half Note appears on the list Guitarist (UK) - 101 Essential Guitar Albums (2000)

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:08 pm

The Quintet Jazz at Massey Hall/The Greatest Jazz Concert Ever seems to be released in 1956 not 1953 according to RYM or Discogs
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/comp/ ... ey-hall-1/
https://www.discogs.com/Quintet-Jazz-At ... ter/176938

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:02 pm

Parker, Evan 50th Birthday Concert seems to be from 1994 not 1995
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album ... y-concert/

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:48 am

A link for Hot Press (Ireland) - The 100 Best Albums of All Time (1989)
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/hotpress.htm#top100

Henrik, Below there's a top 20 live albums not in AM, isn't it eligible?

panam · Post by **panam** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:55 pm

Errors never end

Post by **Henrik** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:51 pm

panam wrote:Errors never end

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:21 pm

Yeah, after a certain point, you just gotta realize that it isn’t gonna be perfect.

Harold · Post by **Harold** » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:24 pm

panam wrote:Errors never end

Human being is human.

lagire · Post by **lagire** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:15 pm

Lennie Tristano Requiem which appears on Il Mucchio Selvaggio (Italy) - 100 Essential Jazz Albums (2004)
isn't it a compilation of 2 complete albums "Lennie Tristano" 1956 & The New Tristano 1962

Post by **Henrik** » Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:08 pm

As well as for the rating changes topic, I’m locking this now. If you find any more errors, please don’t post them until after the coming site update. Thanks!