What exactly are the "bubbling under" selections?

[kotorizawa]

I've been using the site for about a month now and I really love it -- probably the best of any kind of aggregate music site I've found!

But I'm a bit confused on how to interpret the "bubbling under" section for each year. Are these songs/albums that were once in the top 10K/3K, respectively, and got pushed out as more songs/albums got added? If they're more like "honorable mentions" what criteria governs their inclusion? For those who have explored the "bubbling under" selections, how would you say they compare to the main lists? Still essential, or more of an "if you have time" kind of thing?

[Henrik]

I have to kind of databases.

1. All albums and songs on the lists on AM, with just the name of the artist and the album/song and the list appearances.

2. Albums and songs on AM (ordered and bubbling unders), with a lot more information about the artists/albums/songs.

The bubbling unders are albums and songs that I have at some point considered having a chance to make the ordered lists and therefore added to the second database. Once they’re in, they always stay there.

[Holden]

I have to kind of databases.

1. All albums and songs on the lists on AM, with just the name of the artist and the album/song and the list appearances.

2. Albums and songs on AM (ordered and bubbling unders), with a lot more information about the artists/albums/songs.

The bubbling unders are albums and songs that I have at some point considered having a chance to make the ordered lists and therefore added to the second database. Once they’re in, they always stay there.

Would it be helpful to have people add info to albums and songs that are in the first database but not the second?

[kotorizawa]

I have to kind of databases.

1. All albums and songs on the lists on AM, with just the name of the artist and the album/song and the list appearances.

2. Albums and songs on AM (ordered and bubbling unders), with a lot more information about the artists/albums/songs.

The bubbling unders are albums and songs that I have at some point considered having a chance to make the ordered lists and therefore added to the second database. Once they’re in, they always stay there.

So if I understand correctly, "bubbling unders" are songs/albums that you intend to add to the ordered lists, but haven't got around to yet? How does that work if (correct me if I'm wrong) you've capped total songs to 10K and total albums to 3K?

Also, are "bubbling unders" in any kind of order currently? They don't appear to be listed alphabetically, but I think I read somewhere that they're not in ranked order, either?

[Holden]

I have to kind of databases.

1. All albums and songs on the lists on AM, with just the name of the artist and the album/song and the list appearances.

2. Albums and songs on AM (ordered and bubbling unders), with a lot more information about the artists/albums/songs.

The bubbling unders are albums and songs that I have at some point considered having a chance to make the ordered lists and therefore added to the second database. Once they’re in, they always stay there.

So if I understand correctly, "bubbling unders" are songs/albums that you intend to add to the ordered lists, but haven't got around to yet? How does that work if (correct me if I'm wrong) you've capped total songs to 10K and total albums to 3K?

Also, are "bubbling unders" in any kind of order currently? They don't appear to be listed alphabetically, but I think I read somewhere that they're not in ranked order, either?

This is not correct. Bubbling Unders are basically the highest ranked of the other list. If you look at, for example, the 2019 year list ranked, the bubbling unders in that page will be ranked (meaning On the Line is the 36th highest rated album of 2019).

[kotorizawa]

I have to kind of databases.

1. All albums and songs on the lists on AM, with just the name of the artist and the album/song and the list appearances.

2. Albums and songs on AM (ordered and bubbling unders), with a lot more information about the artists/albums/songs.

The bubbling unders are albums and songs that I have at some point considered having a chance to make the ordered lists and therefore added to the second database. Once they’re in, they always stay there.

So if I understand correctly, "bubbling unders" are songs/albums that you intend to add to the ordered lists, but haven't got around to yet? How does that work if (correct me if I'm wrong) you've capped total songs to 10K and total albums to 3K?

Also, are "bubbling unders" in any kind of order currently? They don't appear to be listed alphabetically, but I think I read somewhere that they're not in ranked order, either?

This is not correct. Bubbling Unders are basically the highest ranked of the other list. If you look at, for example, the 2019 year list ranked, the bubbling unders in that page will be ranked (meaning On the Line is the 36th highest rated album of 2019).

Ok, just looked at the 2019 album list. So would it be correct to say that "bubbling unders" are ordered extensions of the main list, if there was more room beyond the 3K/10K limits? For instance, using On the Line as an example: if the all-time list allowed for, say, 5K albums, On the Line would likely have room to appear on that list and thus be slotted into the 36th ranking for 2019?

[Humphrey12]

So if I understand correctly, "bubbling unders" are songs/albums that you intend to add to the ordered lists, but haven't got around to yet? How does that work if (correct me if I'm wrong) you've capped total songs to 10K and total albums to 3K?

Also, are "bubbling unders" in any kind of order currently? They don't appear to be listed alphabetically, but I think I read somewhere that they're not in ranked order, either?

This is not correct. Bubbling Unders are basically the highest ranked of the other list. If you look at, for example, the 2019 year list ranked, the bubbling unders in that page will be ranked (meaning On the Line is the 36th highest rated album of 2019).

Ok, just looked at the 2019 album list. So would it be correct to say that "bubbling unders" are ordered extensions of the main list, if there was more room beyond the 3K/10K limits? For instance, using On the Line as an example: if the all-time list allowed for, say, 5K albums, On the Line would likely have room to appear on that list and thus be slotted into the 36th ranking for 2019?

Yes, except there may be albums missing in that ordered extension. We guess theoretically that may also be possible in the actual ranking but it's much less likely there. For example if Henrik hadn't transferred "On the Line" from his first database to his second, it simply wouldn't appear on the site.

[VacantJoy]

interesting question btw welcome to the site

[Henrik]

This is not correct. Bubbling Unders are basically the highest ranked of the other list. If you look at, for example, the 2019 year list ranked, the bubbling unders in that page will be ranked (meaning On the Line is the 36th highest rated album of 2019).

Ok, just looked at the 2019 album list. So would it be correct to say that "bubbling unders" are ordered extensions of the main list, if there was more room beyond the 3K/10K limits? For instance, using On the Line as an example: if the all-time list allowed for, say, 5K albums, On the Line would likely have room to appear on that list and thus be slotted into the 36th ranking for 2019?

Yes, except there may be albums missing in that ordered extension. We guess theoretically that may also be possible in the actual ranking but it's much less likely there. For example if Henrik hadn't transferred "On the Line" from his first database to his second, it simply wouldn't appear on the site.

Precisely!

[kotorizawa]

This is not correct. Bubbling Unders are basically the highest ranked of the other list. If you look at, for example, the 2019 year list ranked, the bubbling unders in that page will be ranked (meaning On the Line is the 36th highest rated album of 2019).

Ok, just looked at the 2019 album list. So would it be correct to say that "bubbling unders" are ordered extensions of the main list, if there was more room beyond the 3K/10K limits? For instance, using On the Line as an example: if the all-time list allowed for, say, 5K albums, On the Line would likely have room to appear on that list and thus be slotted into the 36th ranking for 2019?

Yes, except there may be albums missing in that ordered extension. We guess theoretically that may also be possible in the actual ranking but it's much less likely there. For example if Henrik hadn't transferred "On the Line" from his first database to his second, it simply wouldn't appear on the site.

Ok, I feel a little lost again. What is the distinction between these two lists Henrik mentioned in his first post? One list is all of the albums and songs, ordered, in the official 3K/10K lists and the other is . . . all of that list plus more? And the "bubbling unders" come from this second list, but may be an incomplete representation of all that is on the second list? I guess what's unclear to me is why only bits and pieces of the second list would make it to the "bubbling unders" section?

[kotorizawa]

interesting question btw welcome to the site

Thank you! Glad to have found it.

[Henrik]

Ok, just looked at the 2019 album list. So would it be correct to say that "bubbling unders" are ordered extensions of the main list, if there was more room beyond the 3K/10K limits? For instance, using On the Line as an example: if the all-time list allowed for, say, 5K albums, On the Line would likely have room to appear on that list and thus be slotted into the 36th ranking for 2019?

Yes, except there may be albums missing in that ordered extension. We guess theoretically that may also be possible in the actual ranking but it's much less likely there. For example if Henrik hadn't transferred "On the Line" from his first database to his second, it simply wouldn't appear on the site.

Ok, I feel a little lost again. What is the distinction between these two lists Henrik mentioned in his first post? One list is all of the albums and songs, ordered, in the official 3K/10K lists and the other is . . . all of that list plus more? And the "bubbling unders" come from this second list, but may be an incomplete representation of all that is on the second list? I guess what's unclear to me is why only bits and pieces of the second list would make it to the "bubbling unders" section?

Database 1 includes ALL albums and songs that have appeared on at least one critics’ list. More than 50,000 songs!
Database 2 is a handpicked selection from database 1 that are shown on the website. Those that don’t make the top 3 000 albums or 10 000 songs become bubbling unders.

[kotorizawa]

Yes, except there may be albums missing in that ordered extension. We guess theoretically that may also be possible in the actual ranking but it's much less likely there. For example if Henrik hadn't transferred "On the Line" from his first database to his second, it simply wouldn't appear on the site.

Ok, I feel a little lost again. What is the distinction between these two lists Henrik mentioned in his first post? One list is all of the albums and songs, ordered, in the official 3K/10K lists and the other is . . . all of that list plus more? And the "bubbling unders" come from this second list, but may be an incomplete representation of all that is on the second list? I guess what's unclear to me is why only bits and pieces of the second list would make it to the "bubbling unders" section?

Database 1 includes ALL albums and songs that have appeared on at least one critics’ list. More than 50,000 songs!
Database 2 is a handpicked selection from database 1 that are shown on the website. Those that don’t make the top 3 000 albums or 10 000 songs become bubbling unders.

Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand now -- thanks!

Regarding Database 2 (i.e., what appears on this site): what is the criteria for what gets "handpicked"? Are the top 3K/10K more or less in line with the "real" rankings? Are "bubbling unders" more personal favorites of yours, or is there some other criteria governing their inclusion?

[Nassim]

Ok, I feel a little lost again. What is the distinction between these two lists Henrik mentioned in his first post? One list is all of the albums and songs, ordered, in the official 3K/10K lists and the other is . . . all of that list plus more? And the "bubbling unders" come from this second list, but may be an incomplete representation of all that is on the second list? I guess what's unclear to me is why only bits and pieces of the second list would make it to the "bubbling unders" section?

Database 1 includes ALL albums and songs that have appeared on at least one critics’ list. More than 50,000 songs!
Database 2 is a handpicked selection from database 1 that are shown on the website. Those that don’t make the top 3 000 albums or 10 000 songs become bubbling unders.

Ok, I think I'm beginning to understand now -- thanks!

Regarding Database 2 (i.e., what appears on this site): what is the criteria for what gets "handpicked"? Are the top 3K/10K more or less in line with the "real" rankings? Are "bubbling unders" more personal favorites of yours, or is there some other criteria governing their inclusion?

It's anything that has (or had at some point) a distant shot of making the top 3000 ! So the top 3k is very very very likely to be the real ranking.