Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

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Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

Post by pauldrach » Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:18 pm

Two of German publishing company Reclam's music guides. The "Rock und Pop" one is already included in the rankings here albeit in an older edition. Both lists are unranked and obviously somewhat genre-specific but as they were published in book form and not a magazine I guess they count? Anyway here they are:

Uwe Schütte: Basis Diskothek Rock und Pop (3rd Edition, 2011):

ABBA - Gold (1992) [*]
AC/DC - Highway to Hell (1979)
Laurie Anderson - Home of the Brave (1986)
Animal Collective - Merriweather Post Pavilion (2009) [*]
Aphex Twin - Come to Daddy (1997)
Bauhaus - The Sky's Gone Out (1982)
The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (1966)
Beastie Boys - Hello Nasty (1998)
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
Blur - Blur (1997)
Bonnie "Prince" Billy - I See a Darkness (1999)
David Bowie - Low (1977)
Jeff Buckley - Grace (1994)
Burial - Burial (2006) [*]
The Byrds - The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1968)
John Cale - Paris 1919 (1972)
Can - Soon over Babaluma (1974)
Johnny Cash - American III: Solitary Man (2000)
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds - From Her to Eternity (1984)
Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate (1971)
Cream - Disraeli Gears (1967)
The Cure - Seventeen Seconds (1980)
Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism (2003) [*]
Dire Straits - Love over Gold (1982)
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing..... (1996)
The Doors - The Doors (1967)
Nick Drake - Pink Moon (1972)
Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde (1966)
Echo & the Bunnymen - Ocean Rain (1984)
Einstürzende Neubauten - ½ Mensch (1986)
Brian Eno - Before and After Science (1977)
Eurythmics - Touch (1983)
The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour (1982)
Fehlfarben - Monarchie und Alltag (1980)
Fleetwood Mac - Rumours (1977)
Frankie Goes to Hollywood - Welcome to the Pleasuredome (1984)
Peter Gabriel - [3] (1980)
Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (1971)
PJ Harvey - 4 Track Demos (1993)
The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland (1968)
Michael Jackson - Thriller (1982)
The Jesus & Mary Chain - Psychocandy (1985)
Janis Joplin - Pearl (1971)
Joy Division - Closer (1980)
The Kinks - Something Else (1967)
The KLF - The White Room (1991)
Kraftwerk - Die Mensch-Maschine (1978)
Lambchop - Nixon (2000)
Led Zeppelin - [IV] (1971)
Love - Forever Changes (1967)
Madonna - Music (2000)
The Magnetic Fields - 69 Love Songs (1999)
Bob Marley & the Wailers - Catch a Fire (1973)
Massive Attack - Protection (1994)
Metallica - Metallica (1991)
Joni Mitchell - Blue (1971)
Van Morrison - Moondance (1970)
Mouse on Mars - Niun Niggung (1999)
New Order - Substance (1987)
Randy Newman - Little Criminals (1977)
Nirvana - MTV Unplugged in New York (1994)
Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here (1975)
The Police - Zenyatta Mondatta (1980)
Portishead - Dummy (1994)
Elvis Presley - Elvis (1956)
Prince - Sign o' the Times (1987)
Public Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back (1987)
Pulp - We Love Life (2001)
Queen - A Night at the Opera (1975)
Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
Lou Reed - Transformer (1972)
R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi (1996)
The Original Soundtrack - The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)
The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers (1971)
Roxy Music - For Your Pleasure (1973)
Sex Pistols - Never Mind the Bollocks (1977)
Simon & Garfunkel - Bookends (1968)
Patti Smith - Horses (1975)
The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead (1986)
Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation (1988)
The Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Acme (1998)
Spiritualized - Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space (1997)
Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska (1982)
Iggy & the Stooges - Raw Power (1973)
Suicide - Suicide (1977)
David Sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive (1987)
Talking Heads - Remain in Light (1980)
Throbbing Gristle - Second Annual Report (1977)
Tindersticks - [II] (1995)
Tocotronic - Pure Vernunft darf niemals siegen (2005) [*]
U2 - The Joshua Tree (1987)
The Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico (1967)
The Verve - Urban Hymns (1997)
Tom Waits - Swordfishtrombones (1983)
The White Stripes - Under Great White Northern Lights (2010) [*]
The Who - Who's Next (1971)
Wilco - Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (2002) [*]
Amy Winehouse - Back to Black (2006) [*]
Yo La Tengo - I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One (1997)
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Rust Never Sleeps (1979)

I've marked the ones with an asterisk that have been added since the currently included 2004 edition. The following albums have been removed: Black Box Recorder's "England Made Me", Dream City Film Club's s/t, The Flaming Lips' "The Soft Bulletin", Hood's "The Cycle of Days and Seasons", The Housemartins' "London 0 Hull 4", Prefab Sprout's "Steve McQueen", Primal Scream's "Xtrmntr", Visage's s/t.

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Ralf Dombrowski: Basis-Diskothek Jazz (2005)
--> there is a more recent edition from 2011 but I couldn't find details on it online

John Abercrombie - Timeless
Cannonball Adderley - Mercy, Mercy, Mercy! Live at "The Club"
Louis Armstrong - The Complete Hot Five & Hot Seven Recordings
Art Ensemble of Chicago - Nice Guys
Albert Ayler - Spiritual Unity
Chet Baker - Chet
Count Basie - The Complere Atomic Basie
Count Basie & Frank Sinatra - Sinatra-Basie
Art Blakey & the Jazz Messengers - Moanin'
Carla Bley & Paul Haines - Escalator over the Hill
Lester Bowie - Avant Pop
Braxton/Corea/Holland/Altschul - Paris-Concert
Peter Brötzmann - Machine Gun
Clifford Brown - The Complete Paris Sessions Vol. 1
Dave Brubeck - Time Out
Kenny Burrell - Midnight Blue
Donald Byrd - Free Form
Charlie Byrd & Stan Getz - Jazz Samba
Benny Carter - Further Defintions
Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz
Ornette Coleman - In All Languages
Steve Coleman - Genesis & The Opening of the Way
John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
John Coltrane - Ascension
John Coltrane - Giant Steps
Chick Corea - Return to Forever
Chick Corea & Gary Burton - Crystal Silence
Miles Davis - The Complete Birth of the Cool
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
Miles Davis - We Want Miles
Jack DeJohnette - Special Edition
Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch
Dave Douglas - Charms of the Night Sky
Roy Eldridge - And His Little Jazz, Vol. 1
Duke Ellington - Money Jungle
Bill Evans - Portrait in Jazz
Gil Evans - Out of the Cool
Art Farmer & Benny Golson - Meet the Jazztet
Ella Fitzgerald & Joe Pass - Take Love Easy
Richard Galliano - New York Tango
Charlie Haden - Folk Songs
Erroll Garner - Concert by the Sea
Stan Getz - Focus
Stan Getz & João Gilberto - Getz/Gilberto
Dizzy Gillespie - Live at the Royal Festival Hall
Jimmy Giuffre - The Easy Way
Benny Goodman - The Complete Famous 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert
Dexter Gordon - Go
Stéphane Grappelli - Meets Earl Hines
Charlie Haden - Liberation Music Orchestra
Jim Hall - Textures
Lionel Hampton - The Lionel Hampton Quintet
Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters
Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage
Coleman Hawkins - Encounters Ben Webster
Woody Herman - At Carnegie Hall 1946
Johnny Hodges & Duke Ellington - Play the Blues
Billie Holiday - You Go to My Head
Dave Holland - Dream of the Elders
Freddie Hubbard - Hub-Tones
Abdullah Ibrahim - African River
Al Jarreau - Glow
Keith Jarrett - The Köln Concert
Jarrett/Peacock/DeJohnette - Standards Vol. 1
Jan Johansson - Folkvisor
J.J. Johnson & Kai Winding - The Great Kai & J.J.
Stan Kenton - New Concepts of Artistry in Rhythm
Barney Kessel - Modern Jazz Performances from Bizet's Carmen
Rahsaan Roland Kirk - Domino
Lee Konitz - Motion
Steve Lacy - Reflections
Charles Lloyd - The Water is Wide
The Mahavishnu Orchestra - The Inner Mounting Flame
Albert Mangelsdorff - Three Originals
Branford Marsalis - Footsteps of Our Fathers
Wynton Marsalis - Blood on the Fields
Bobby McFerrin - The Voice
Carmen McRae - I'll Be Seeing You
Brad Mehldau - Elegiac Cycle
Pat Metheny - Travels
Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady
Charles Mingus - Pithecanthropus Erectus
The Modern Jazz Quartet - Django
Nils Petter Molvaer - Khmer
Thelonious Monk - Genius of Modern Music, Vols. 1 & 2
Thelonious Monk - Plays the Music of Duke Ellington
Wes Montgomery - The Incredible Jazz Guitar of Wes Montgomery
Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
Jelly Roll Morton - The Piano Rolls
Gerry Mulligan - Gerry Mulligan Quartet with Chet Baker
Oliver Nelson - The Blues and the Abstract Truth
Charlie Parker Quintet - Jazz at Massey Hall
Art Pepper - Gettin' Together
Oscar Peterson - Night Train
Bud Powell - The Amazing Bud Powell, Vol. 1
Tito Puente - Mambo Diablo
Django Reinhardt - Peche à la mouche
Max Roach - We Insist! Freedom Now Suite
Sonny Rollins - The Bridge
Louis Sclavis - Chine/Chamber Music
John Scofield - Up All Night
Archie Shepp & Jasper van't Hof - Mama Rose
Wayne Shorter - Juju
Horace Silver - Song for My Father
Tomasz Stańko - Litania
Sun Ra - Sound of Joy
Art Tatum - The Best of the Pablo Solo Masterpieces
Cecil Taylor - Conquistador!
Bobby Timmons - This Here Is Bobby Timmons
Lennie Tristano & Wayne Marsh - Intuition
Sarah Vaughan - 80th Birthday Celebration
Dinah Washington - Blues for a Day
Grover Washington, Jr. - Winelight
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
Randy Weston - Nuit Africaine
Cassandra Wilson - New Moon Daughter
World Saxophone Quartet - Revue
Lester Young - With the Oscar Peterson Trio
John Zorn - Naked City

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Re: Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

Post by JimmyJazz » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:18 pm

Some more jazz lists are always nice. No Nina, however! Henrik was right: jazz critics always ignore her as well! All of the most important acts are here, but it is unfortunate that Louis Armstrong won't have this counted to his score on the artist list. If there is 1 major artist that I feel is vastly neglected on the list, it is probably him, and part of the problem is that most jazz lists represent him via the Hot Fives and Sevens comp album. I understand Henrik's reasoning for not factoring in comps: I get irritated just as much as the next guy by the likes of RS, TIME, and EW representing certain acts by "Greatest Hits" albums, thereby fudging the rules and including collections as opposed to individual artistic pieces. But some artists, particularly jazz greats like Armstrong and Bird, get neglected in the process.

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Re: Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

Post by pauldrach » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:09 am

Well, to be fair Nine Simone is borderline jazz at best. Her output even on individual albums was far too diverse to really do her justice by placing her under whatever moniker. Obviously that also means that she'll usually be excluded from genre-specific lists, which is the curse of her genius.

And yes, obviously pre album era artists have rather bad chances on album lists. Even if compilation albums were included many of them wouldn't get an entry onto the 3,000 due to the vast amount of different compilation albums that are released. In Armstrong's case it might make sense to include "The Complete Hot Fives and Sevens" since they probably appear fairly often. Some compilation albums are even included on the site like "The Three E.P.'s" or "13 Songs" and according to Henrik's Q&A's section indeed only "Greatest Hits"/"Best of" albums are excluded, which TCH5a7s technically isn't but I also understand Henrik's reasoning for generally excluding albums that compile material from a completely different era. "The Complete Hot Fives and Sevens" would like mighty weird in a list of the greatest albums from the 2000s.

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Re: Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

Post by JimmyJazz » Sun Oct 06, 2013 3:46 pm

That is true about Nina. I've just personally always considered her to be broadly "jazz", but she was so multi-talented that, like you and Henrik have said, her own genius is her curse. As for the "Hot Fives...", I could see both arguments for and against its inclusion. It would probably represent him better on the AM list, giving him a fairer chance against other singles and albums acts. On the other hand, including such a collection in the 2000s list, up against the likes of Arcade Fire and LCD Soundsystem would be quite confusing, and probably not fair to either artists, since they would be competing with an act, and music, that is from a completely different era and style.

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Re: Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

Post by JR » Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:59 pm

Bumping this, as it doesn't look like a determination was made?

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Re: Reclam's Basis-Diskotheken "Rock und Pop" und "Jazz"

Post by Henrik » Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:31 pm

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