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Pro Wrestling

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:24 am
by Arsalan
Hi Forum!

I started watching pro wrestling when i was a kid,I am now watching it for 8 years.I have done so many researches about it and have watched all important matches,promos,documentaries since the 80s and also from other promotions than WWE like TNA,ROH,NJPW and WCW and even WWF.So I can call myself a die hard fan.This is how much i know about wrestling.

Now i want to know your opinion about this subject.Are you a fan?,What are your favorite Rivalries,Matches or Wrestlers?What do you think of pro wrestling now and it's difference from past eras? and ... .

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:31 am
by ordinaryperson
I was 9 years old when I started watching wrestling, the first big event I remember watching was WrestleMania 25. Until 2011 I only casually paid attention to wrestling (really just WWE stuff), when CM Punk's 'pipebomb' promo happened that's when I started really following it, looking up old wrestling matches on YouTube, again it was mostly just WWE stuff. Around 2014 is when I stopped paying attention to wrestling at all, I didn't really like the newer wrestlers and thought all of the storylines were boring, plus Undertaker's streak ending didn't help with this either. I gave AEW a chance when it started airing on TV and I found that I really enjoyed it. This got me to pay attention to wrestling a lot more than I ever had before. I got a subscription to WWE Network and have been watching a ton of old wrestling matches. I'll list some of my favorites here:

Favorite Wrestler: Bret Hart (Honorable Mentions: Sting, Mick Foley, & Kenny Omega)
Favorite Storyline: The initial nWo run (July 1996-December 1997) (I actually like the WCW better than a lot of the old WWF stuff)
Favorite Match: Bret Hart vs. 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin (Wrestlemania 13) (Honorable Mention: Kazuchika Okada vs. Kenny Omega (Wrestle Kingdom 11))

Despite one of my favorite matches being from it I've never really watched NJPW, I might watch the G1 Climax which is coming up soon. One of the other things I like now that I've rediscovered my love for wrestling is the internet community. I love watching OSW Review, my favorite episode of their's has to be the All Aboard the Lex Express episode.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:27 am
by Arsalan
ordinaryperson wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:31 am I was 9 years old when I started watching wrestling, the first big event I remember watching was WrestleMania 25. Until 2011 I only casually paid attention to wrestling (really just WWE stuff), when CM Punk's 'pipebomb' promo happened that's when I started really following it, looking up old wrestling matches on YouTube, again it was mostly just WWE stuff. Around 2014 is when I stopped paying attention to wrestling at all, I didn't really like the newer wrestlers and thought all of the storylines were boring, plus Undertaker's streak ending didn't help with this either. I gave AEW a chance when it started airing on TV and I found that I really enjoyed it. This got me to pay attention to wrestling a lot more than I ever had before. I got a subscription to WWE Network and have been watching a ton of old wrestling matches. I'll list some of my favorites here:

Favorite Wrestler: Bret Hart (Honorable Mentions: Sting, Mick Foley, & Kenny Omega)
Favorite Storyline: The initial nWo run (July 1996-December 1997) (I actually like the WCW better than a lot of the old WWF stuff)
Favorite Match: Bret Hart vs. 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin (Wrestlemania 13) (Honorable Mention: Kazuchika Okada vs. Kenny Omega (Wrestle Kingdom 11))

Despite one of my favorite matches being from it I've never really watched NJPW, I might watch the G1 Climax which is coming up soon. One of the other things I like now that I've rediscovered my love for wrestling is the internet community. I love watching OSW Review, my favorite episode of their's has to be the All Aboard the Lex Express episode.
Wow pipebomb was really a big thing and when that happened i had just started watching wrestling and i didn't know why that was a big deal but after some years when i revisited that i realized how great CM Punk cut that promo. Definitely one of the most iconic moments in history.
About AEW i have watched some of their stuff,They are a great rival for WWE.
Bret Hart is your favorite wrestler. I am a fan too.His Character is one of the all time greats. He was really a cool guy and with a unique wrestling technique,Unfortunately Vince McMahon's Controversial decision ruined his career(The Montreal Screwjob).
The interesting thing is that you choose wrestle kingdom 11 match of Okada vs Omega(A Great match) but i prefer Dominion 6.9 match.Hart vs Austin is a classic. Unfortunately since CM Punk's departure WWE hasn't brought any interesting idea,Except 2016 Draft that worked for a 6 or 7 months.Right Now NXT and AEW are having a battle and i believe that both are doing great job.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:35 pm
by Live in Phoenix
I started watching around 1988. (As a trivia note, the first time I probably ever saw the current President was when he was shown during WrestleMania IV.) For reasons that I don't totally remember, considering I had seen little or no pro wrestling, I saw the cover of that VHS tape advertising Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant, and I knew that I needed to see that match. Hogan might still be my favorite wrestler, even though that would now be considered absurd since wrestlers perform so many more moves today (though I feel like you can perform too many moves).

I feel like it has somehow lost its grip on me over the years. One of the last good memories I have is when I attended a PPV where Bray Wyatt unexpectedly won the world title (or whatever they technically call it) in an Elimination Chamber match with a hot crowd. There is more than enough product out there that should satisfy fans, but even with changing styles I kinda feel like I've seen it all. It didn't help that the Raw show became inessential quite a while ago. If current fans still love wrestling, then more power to them. If I'm phased out as a fan, that's fine, I'm not mad. Maybe to love some companies more, I would need to put in more time, which I don't especially have.

I've watched AEW sometimes with my infant daughter, and I joke that I'm just carrying on the tradition; my great-grandmother and grandma on my mother's side used to watch back in the days of Gorgeous George and like 1 TV channel. (Certainly the product and the wrestlers are not like the '40s/'50s anymore.)

I like characters and (unscripted) promos a lot, and my favorite character was Stone Cold; my favorite at playing both sides was Roddy Piper; my favorite all-around, if not Hogan, then it's probably HBK. My favorite matches are the first two Flair/Steamboat PPV matches from 1989. Rivalries fade away a bit for me just because there are so many rivalries, but early WCW/NWO and Austin/McMahon come to mind. My favorite promo might be Shawn Michaels taunting Montreal a week or so before his match with Hogan.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:05 am
by Arsalan
Live in Phoenix wrote: Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:35 pm I started watching around 1988. (As a trivia note, the first time I probably ever saw the current President was when he was shown during WrestleMania IV.) For reasons that I don't totally remember, considering I had seen little or no pro wrestling, I saw the cover of that VHS tape advertising Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant, and I knew that I needed to see that match. Hogan might still be my favorite wrestler, even though that would now be considered absurd since wrestlers perform so many more moves today (though I feel like you can perform too many moves).

I feel like it has somehow lost its grip on me over the years. One of the last good memories I have is when I attended a PPV where Bray Wyatt unexpectedly won the world title (or whatever they technically call it) in an Elimination Chamber match with a hot crowd. There is more than enough product out there that should satisfy fans, but even with changing styles I kinda feel like I've seen it all. It didn't help that the Raw show became inessential quite a while ago. If current fans still love wrestling, then more power to them. If I'm phased out as a fan, that's fine, I'm not mad. Maybe to love some companies more, I would need to put in more time, which I don't especially have.

I've watched AEW sometimes with my infant daughter, and I joke that I'm just carrying on the tradition; my great-grandmother and grandma on my mother's side used to watch back in the days of Gorgeous George and like 1 TV channel. (Certainly the product and the wrestlers are not like the '40s/'50s anymore.)

I like characters and (unscripted) promos a lot, and my favorite character was Stone Cold; my favorite at playing both sides was Roddy Piper; my favorite all-around, if not Hogan, then it's probably HBK. My favorite matches are the first two Flair/Steamboat PPV matches from 1989. Rivalries fade away a bit for me just because there are so many rivalries, but early WCW/NWO and Austin/McMahon come to mind. My favorite promo might be Shawn Michaels taunting Montreal a week or so before his match with Hogan.
You are an old school fan! Hulk Hogan was like the hottest superstar back then in the 80s and his match vs. Andre is considered by wrestling Fans "Iconic" but the match is so slow and only that bodyslam on Andre is memorable,As you said less moves but within that year or 89 we have Ric Flair vs Ricky Steamboat trilogy that has more moves,not slow,storytelling at it's best but less fans have seen that so i don't get it why guys like Hogan and Ultimate Warrior or Randy Savage were always at the top.WCW was always better than WWF in the 80s.
I should respect your Grandmother for watching wrestling in the 50s.It is so cool.
I agree that Stone Cold is the greatest character ever and perhaps the best wrestler i have ever seen.Especially his promos.That promo from Michaels in Canada was one of the most heelish thing that a babyface superstar has done.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:06 pm
by Live in Phoenix
Arsalan wrote: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:05 am i don't get it why guys like Hogan and Ultimate Warrior or Randy Savage were always at the top.
Randy Savage’s own match with Ricky Steamboat, at that same WrestleMania as Hogan/Andre, was considered the WWF’s best match for years. Around 2003, the kayfabe-ish magazine PWI said it was the best WWF/E match ever (now it would probably be Undertaker/Michaels I at WrestleMania).

An amazing thing about Flair/Steamboat is that I didn’t even get to see the matches until about 15 years after the fact! Wrestling companies’ home video history was in shambles until streaming and DVD box sets. I didn’t have good access to WCW until the late ‘90s, but I figured that company was a big deal, between them having cable instead of syndication, as well as stuff like reading some grocery store magazine saying that Ric Flair wrestled a 50-some minute, 2 out of 3 match -- holy crap! As far as WWE being the lesser product, it’s basically always had that reputation amongst hardcore fans. One factor for their dominance is that great matches by themselves have only meant so much for business, although they matter more to fans nowadays.

Not that Grandma and I made a habit of watching WWF Superstars together, but one time she sat down in the same room while I had it on, and I thought something like, “Oh boy, here come the remarks,” but to my surprise she chuckled and said something about Gorgeous George. (I remember the name, oddly enough, because the cartoonish trading card set Garbage Pail Kids had a card named Gorgeous George.) I’m sure in that era of very few TV channels, wrestling was getting ratings that the Monday Night Wars of the ‘90s could only imagine.

I can’t find the old post, but I think prosecutorgodot is a fan who had once mentioned Dynamite Kid’s passing.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:18 pm
by ordinaryperson
The G1 Climax started today and I subscribed to NJPW World to watch it. This was the first time I have ever watched a full NJPW event. I'm not the best at critiquing a wrestling match but I did find night 1 to be pretty enjoyable, my favorite match of the night was Jay White vs. Shingo Takagi. In the US, the Best Friends vs. Santana & Ortiz parking lot brawl at the end of this week's AEW Dynamite got 5 stars from Dave Meltzer. Of course I fell asleep while watching Dynamite and missed the majority of the match, I only woke up during the part when Orange Cassidy came out the car trunk. I watched the full match on YouTube yesterday and I loved the chaos of it but I don't really see what made it different than any other 'hardcore' match. This is also the first time since Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk in 1989 that Meltzer has given a 5 star rating to a match that was free on TV. Then again as I've stated already, I'm not good at critiquing wrestling matches.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:30 pm
by Jirin
I’m one of the people who was young enough to think it was real when I first watched it then turned it off when I learned it was fake.

I probably would have appreciated it more if I saw it first after I knew it was a performance.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:29 am
by Arsalan
Jirin wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:30 pm I’m one of the people who was young enough to think it was real when I first watched it then turned it off when I learned it was fake.

I probably would have appreciated it more if I saw it first after I knew it was a performance.
So you watch movies cause they are real?!

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:35 am
by Arsalan
ordinaryperson wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:18 pm The G1 Climax started today and I subscribed to NJPW World to watch it. This was the first time I have ever watched a full NJPW event. I'm not the best at critiquing a wrestling match but I did find night 1 to be pretty enjoyable, my favorite match of the night was Jay White vs. Shingo Takagi. In the US, the Best Friends vs. Santana & Ortiz parking lot brawl at the end of this week's AEW Dynamite got 5 stars from Dave Meltzer. Of course I fell asleep while watching Dynamite and missed the majority of the match, I only woke up during the part when Orange Cassidy came out the car trunk. I watched the full match on YouTube yesterday and I loved the chaos of it but I don't really see what made it different than any other 'hardcore' match. This is also the first time since Ric Flair vs. Terry Funk in 1989 that Meltzer has given a 5 star rating to a match that was free on TV. Then again as I've stated already, I'm not good at critiquing wrestling matches.
Dave Meltzer is a strange guy,He gave this match that wasn't even on PPV 5 star rating while he gave HBK vs The Undertaker 4.75 star rating(both WM 25 and 26),Although the Best Friends vs. Santana & Ortiz was a great match but better than those legendary matches? Please.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:13 pm
by Jirin
Arsalan wrote: Sat Oct 03, 2020 7:29 am
Jirin wrote: Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:30 pm I’m one of the people who was young enough to think it was real when I first watched it then turned it off when I learned it was fake.

I probably would have appreciated it more if I saw it first after I knew it was a performance.
So you watch movies cause they are real?!
Movies never claimed to be, or stage themselves like they are. *Now* they're honest and open about it all being staged, back then they weren't being honest.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 3:24 pm
by Gillingham
I started hearing about it slightly later than Live in Phoenix (early nineties?). Was really into it as a very small kid. Collected a lot of stickers. The Ultimate Warrior used to be my favorite. Grew out of it though. Don't care for it now, at all.

Re: Pro Wrestling

Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2020 7:45 am
by Arsalan
Top 5 Matches of the Year so far:

1 - The Young Bucks Vs. Kenny Omega and Adam Page (AEW Revolution) (AEW Tag Team Championship Match)
2 - Edge Vs. Randy Orton (WWE Backlash) (Singles Match)
3 - AJ Styles Vs. Daniel Bryan (WWE Smackdown) (Intercontinental Championship Match)
4 - AJ Styles Vs. The Undertaker (WWE Wrestlemania 36) (Boneyard Match)
5 - Matt Hardy and The Elite Vs. The Inner Circle (AEW Double or Nothing) (Stadium Stampede Match)