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Play That Game

Postby Mulholland » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:30 am

I hope this isn't too out of order to post this here, but I've seen my website mentioned on here before and this community seems like a good one to talk to.

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My name is Peter. I've been a member of these forums for over 3 years and I run Play That Game. It's basically a Acclaimed Music or TSPDT-style website, but for video games.

The reason I've posted is three-fold.

Firstly, just to say thank you to everyone whose posted video games list in these forums. I have, like, 10 daily Google Alerts and yet you guys manage to find lists that those searches don't. So, thank you for that!

Secondly, just wanted to recognise how inspired I was by this site to go out and create my own! Without the amazing work here I would have never have put the work into my own.

Finally, just wanted to put out there that I'm doing my bi-annual list update at the end of the month - so if you have any more lists I would be grateful if you continued doing the good work.

Thank you so much, I know this was a long post :D

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Re: Play That Game

Postby Nel_Valen » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:35 pm

I love your website, its one of my favorites! I check it pretty regularly for any changes.

The game awards just happened, and I'm wondering if you guys consider them into the aggregation. I'm doing my own project for the best TV shows that's heavily inspired by your site and this one, and I'm choosing to aggregate several different awards shows, but its tough to figure out and put everything on an even playing field.

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Postby Mulholland » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:31 pm

Thank you so much! It's nice to know someone other than myself actually goes through the list :D

I'm gonna have to talk to my coder/husband about adding a 'last updated on' part to the front page so you know when I last ran the script. ;)

I haven't yet included those awards into my calculations, but I've got them in the backlog of lists to add. I just need to figure out how to work out the weighting for awards. I think awards are a good thing to add but, like the Grammy's show us, they have their place and can be rather limited in scope. So a pinch of salt n all that.

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Re: Play That Game

Postby Nel_Valen » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:54 am

I'm sure there are others who also watch the site. It's just a matter of time for it to blow up like this one. Just wait, some big online presence will eventually mention it, and soon it'll be everywhere.

For my own project I'm choosing to consider non-professional outlets like YouTube channels for some lists, though for now I have the arbitrary restriction of at least 500,000 subscribers (i.e. WatchMojo, Channel Awesome, etc.), all just to give the more general audience a little bit of representation in the grand aggregation, since their opinions are also valid in some level.

For aggregating awards, I'm currently awarding winners the same point value as being #1 on a top 15 list, and nominated shows gain the value of being #11 on a top 15 too. The numbers are all arbitrary and could still use some fixing around, but I've experimented with other numbers and so far this seems to be the sweetspot of value. Granted, I haven't worked on the project for a few days since I'm going through some tough and busy times right now, but I'll probably pick it up when January starts. :music-rockon:

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Postby Mulholland » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:08 am

Thanks, it would be nice if this got mentioned somewhere. To be fair it's only been a few years and it's not exactly the best name for Google.

It's an interesting idea to look at YouTube content creators. Might have to do some of my own research there, feeling a bit inspired for some more lists... I mean I've currently got 1600 in the database, but the more the better right!


Do you have a web presence for your list, or is it just on your computer?

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Postby Nel_Valen » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:27 pm

I'm pretty tech savvy, but websites are kind of a huge blind spot for me. I tried making a site for this via SquareSpace, but it kind of failed. For now all my work lies in one giant Excel sheet that I'm afraid will break at any second...

My current plan is to eventually collaborate with someone who will go through the trouble of coding the site with my ideas, and I plan to start this quest when I finally reach 1000 lists, and currently I'm at near 500.

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Postby Mulholland » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:57 pm

I wish you luck with that! I can't wait to see how the top 100 shapes out :D

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Postby Nel_Valen » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:00 pm

Well if you're curious, this is what it currently looks like:

1. The Sopranos
2. The Simpsons
3. The Wire
4. Mad Men
5. Seinfeld
6. Arrested Development
7. Lost
8. Breaking Bad
9. The Twilight Zone
10. South Park
11. The West Wing
12. Buffy the Vampire Slayer
13. Cheers
14. The X-Files
15. Twin Peaks (1990)
16. The Office (U.K.)
17. I Love Lucy
18. Friends
19. Battlestar Galactica (2004)
20. 30 Rock
21. All in the Family
22. Curb Your Enthusiasm
23. Game of Thrones
24. Freaks and Geeks
25. M*A*S*H
26. Six Feet Under
27. The Mary Tyler Moore Show
28. Sex and the City
29. Friday Night Lights
30. Saturday Night Live
31. The Office (U.S.)
32. Deadwood
33. The Shield
34. The Larry Sanders Show
35. Star Trek
36. The Daily Show
37. Roseanne
38. ER
39. Frasier
40. The Cosby Show
41. Doctor Who
42. My So-Called Life
43. Parks and Recreation
44. Fawlty Towers
45. Law & Order
46. Hill Street Blues
47. The Honeymooners
48. 24
49. Futurama
50. Louie
51. Monty Python's Flying Circus
52. Star Trek: The Next Generation
53. NYPD Blue
54. Taxi
55. Veep
56. The Andy Griffith Show
57. The Golden Girls
58. Cowboy Bebop
59. Beavis and Butt-Head
60. Modern Family
61. Gilmore Girls
62. Chappelle's Show
63. Homeland
64. The Dick Van Dyke Show
65. Late Show with David Letterman
66. Family Guy
67. Dexter
68. The Bob Newhart Show
69. Sesame Street
70. Downton Abbey
71. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia
72. Batman: The Animated Series
73. Homicide: Life on the Street
74. SpongeBob SquarePants
75. Orange is the New Black
76. Neon Genesis Evangelion
77. Firefly
78. The Carol Burnett Show
79. Will & Grace
80. Fargo
81. The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson
82. The Prisoner
83. The Walking Dead
84. Survivor
85. Oz
86. Prime Suspect
87. Community
88. Your Show of Shows
89. The Muppet Show
90. Alfred Hitchcock Presents
91. The Wonder Years
92. Mystery Science Theater 3000
93. Thirtysomething
94. House of Cards (2013)
95. The Good Wife
96. Sherlock
97. House
98. The Colbert Report
99. St. Elsewhere
100. The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

I'm the process of adding the 1001 shows you have to watch before you die list, so it'll take a while before I can get to more lists. My project will include all types of TV series, including Anime, Game Shows, Miniseries, OVAs, Talk Shows, Soap Operas, Realities (ugh), Old-Time Cartoons, etc.

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Re: Play That Game

Postby Mulholland » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:45 pm

So I've run my update and, in case anyone is interested, here is how 2017 games have placed:

121 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
273 Horizon: Zero Dawn
286 Super Mario Odyssey
334 Resident Evil 7
438 Nier: Automata
457 Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
523 Destiny 2
538 Splatoon 2
568 Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus
589 Cuphead
661 PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds
692 Assassin's Creed Origins
702 Arms
720 What Remains of Edith Finch
722 Sonic Mania
864 Prey
948 Divinity: Original Sin 2
964 Snipperclips
983 Uncharted: The Lost Legacy


EGM and Eurogamer haven't done their end of year lists yet, but I just couldn't wait to run the calculations :D

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Postby Nel_Valen » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:31 pm

Mulholland wrote:So I've run my update and, in case anyone is interested, here is how 2017 games have placed:

121 The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
273 Horizon: Zero Dawn
286 Super Mario Odyssey
334 Resident Evil 7
438 Nier: Automata
457 Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle
523 Destiny 2
538 Splatoon 2
568 Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus
589 Cuphead
661 PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds
692 Assassin's Creed Origins
702 Arms
720 What Remains of Edith Finch
722 Sonic Mania
864 Prey
948 Divinity: Original Sin 2
964 Snipperclips
983 Uncharted: The Lost Legacy


EGM and Eurogamer haven't done their end of year lists yet, but I just couldn't wait to run the calculations :D


Shocked at the absence of Persona 5; never played it, but seen it on a lot of lists.

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Postby Mulholland » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:36 pm

Nel_Valen wrote:Shocked at the absence of Persona 5; never played it, but seen it on a lot of lists.


That came out in Japan in 2016 so it's in the 2016 section. It's one of the more annoying parts of making a games list.

Persona 5 (originally out 2016) - 377
Yakuza 0 (originally out 2015) - 949

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Postby Jirin » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:57 am

Most of my favorite TV shows fall somewhere on that list, though disappointing that Star Trek DS9 does not make it. It explored a lot of the same themes as the big 00s scifi shows, just because it came out *before* 2001 people still wanted a utopian TNG-like show. Also its reputation gets diluted by mostly being on at the same time as Voyager, the most mediocre Trek.

Good to see Persona on the list but weird to see 4 the highest of the Persona games when I see it as by far the weakest of the later three. Also disappointing that besides Persona there are no Shin Megami Tensei games on the list, not even the brilliant Nocturne and Digital Devil Saga. Nichier JRPGs are criminally underrepresented. No non-Persona SMT, Symphonia as the only Tales, and no Star Ocean.

Kind of amusing that every single numbered Final Fantasy is on the list EXCEPT XIII, including the two MMOs and the three that were not originally released in the US.

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Postby Rob » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:30 am

I only now saw the site. Good job!

What confuses me though is the inclusion of E.T. at #749. A game that is notorious for being unplayable. Surely it didn't a reappraisal?

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Postby BleuPanda » Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:17 pm

I keep thinking "Oh, I want to tackle the top 100" but then look and remember the top game I haven't played is World of Warcraft...

Anyone want to tackle this one with me, make our own AMF WOW group?

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Postby ordinaryperson » Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:51 am

BleuPanda wrote:I keep thinking "Oh, I want to tackle the top 100" but then look and remember the top game I haven't played is World of Warcraft...

Anyone want to tackle this one with me, make our own AMF WOW group?

I would love to do this. The only games in the top 10 that I've beaten are FFVII and BioShock. I am currently going through the top 300 (as of December 27, 2017). Right now I am on Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (#296). So far I've beaten Ninja Gaiden (1988), Fable II, PaRappa the Rapper, and Doom II: Hell on Earth.
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Re: Play That Game

Postby Jirin » Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:33 am

Top game I haven't played is Half Life 2. But I've never been into shooters.

Why is the original Mario Kart the highest rated Mario Kart game? It's one example where almost every single sequel has objectively improved.

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Postby Rob » Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:21 pm

For me the highest unplayed game is also Half-Life 2, but I have no ambition to tackle this whole top 100. I don't have the time for it and currently spend up to 3 and 4 months on a decent-sizes game. Or example, I'm close to finishing Mario Odyssey now after three months, and that seems fast to me as I played more than usual. The financial burden of buying every console is also a huge obstacle.

Jirin wrote:Why is the original Mario Kart the highest rated Mario Kart game? It's one example where almost every single sequel has objectively improved.


It's not my favorite either, but I think it is still the purist's choice.

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Postby Jirin » Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:13 pm

You think so? It's got awkward mechanics, boring flat repetitive tracks. Even the gamers I know who obsess over getting the perfect score on 80s arcade games like the later entries better, though they disagree on which particular one is best.

In a lot of cases I think the original games are objectively better games if you look past graphics and modern conveniences, but Mario Kart is not one of those cases. It's like calling Final Fantasy 1 the best Final Fantasy because it came first.

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Postby Nassim » Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:38 pm

Jirin wrote:You think so? It's got awkward mechanics, boring flat repetitive tracks. Even the gamers I know who obsess over getting the perfect score on 80s arcade games like the later entries better, though they disagree on which particular one is best.

In a lot of cases I think the original games are objectively better games if you look past graphics and modern conveniences, but Mario Kart is not one of those cases. It's like calling Final Fantasy 1 the best Final Fantasy because it came first.


I agree that the sequels are better (except Double Dash) but not that every single was an improvement (though I wouldn't argue too much if you told me Mario Kart 8 is the best one, I think it only falls short to the DS one). Wouldn't say there have been fundamental improvements after the N64 version though.

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Postby Mulholland » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:02 pm

ordinaryperson wrote:I would love to do this. The only games in the top 10 that I've beaten are FFVII and BioShock. I am currently going through the top 300 (as of December 27, 2017). Right now I am on Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (#296). So far I've beaten Ninja Gaiden (1988), Fable II, PaRappa the Rapper, and Doom II: Hell on Earth.


That's really cool!

How many are you at out of 300?

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Re: Play That Game

Postby ordinaryperson » Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:29 pm

Mulholland wrote:
ordinaryperson wrote:I would love to do this. The only games in the top 10 that I've beaten are FFVII and BioShock. I am currently going through the top 300 (as of December 27, 2017). Right now I am on Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (#296). So far I've beaten Ninja Gaiden (1988), Fable II, PaRappa the Rapper, and Doom II: Hell on Earth.


That's really cool!

How many are you at out of 300?

43/300, but I was thinking since there are other people on the forum that also want to go through the list (especially the top 100) we could start a game club and go down from #100. That would mean with the current update of the list we would start on The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind.

Edit - 3/30: Today I finally beat Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. While the gameplay is good, the game is extremely hard. It constantly throws extremely hard bosses at you and the final boss (well the second to last boss) is exhausting to beat. In order to get into the final area of the game you need to get 9 keys,and their impossible to find without a guide.
I almost got 100% but I missed 1 missile expansion. I couldn't be bothered to look through all 51 missile locations when I was right near the end of the game. Another problem was that I kept on getting lost. All the areas in the game are stacked on top of each other and they all blur together to point that when backtracking I couldn't remember how to get to some of the places.
Although the way I may make it seem like Echoes is bad there were parts that I actually had fun with. The game doesn't really become a pain to get through until you end up in Sanctuary Fortress. Ironically, Sanctuary Fortress is the best design place in the game. Overall it's a fun but hard game I would only recommend it to you if you've already played Prime 1 & 3. The next game on the list is WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$! which seems interesting...
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Postby Mulholland » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:04 pm

Done a six-month update.

Some moves here and there but here's the headlines:
:scared-shocked:Breath of the Wild and The Witcher 3 cement their places in the Top 100
:scared-shocked:Overwatch enters the Top 100 and knocks out Planescape Torment
:scared-shocked:Bayonetta 2 and Shovel Knight have entered the Top 250
:scared-shocked: Monster Hunter: World is the first 2018 game to enter the Top 1000

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Re: Play That Game

Postby BleuPanda » Mon Aug 20, 2018 3:29 pm

I decided to tackle Halo this weekend with a friend, got through the first eight of ten levels in one go. I feel like World of Warcraft is just going to sit in that awful place of being a top 10 game I won't get around to; all my friends who do play MMORPGs have moved on to Final Fantasy XIV, and that's the one I decided to try out.

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Re: Play That Game

Postby BleuPanda » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:24 pm

One issue I have with this list is that minor variations of the same game are listed separately. Are any publications listing both Ninja Gaiden (2004) and Ninja Gaiden Black simultaneously? Black is essentially a director's cut; where would Ninja Gaiden (2004) land if the two games were combined? Same thing with the various Street Fighters and their expanded editions, and the third versions of certain Pokemon generations.


(Bringing this up because I've been playing Ninja Gaiden Black - what an absurdly hard game...)


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