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Postby JimmyJazz » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:19 pm

Fantastic roll out, Bleu! Not exactly how my own list would look like overall, but the Top 10 are all indisputable masterpieces of cinema!

In regards to Nick's list of films he hasn't seen, I would most immediately recommend Tokyo Story, The Rules of the Game, Bicycle Thieves, Come and See, and Magnolia (they are all incredible films however and you should see most of them at some point.)

If it helps, how I have seen so many canon films is by using the TSPDT 1000 (and actually the next 1000 and the previous entrants lists and the 21st century list as well). Those lists overall make for some pretty good checklists for film viewings. Some other lists I quite like are Ebert's Great Movies and Jonathan Rosenbaum's 1000 Essential Films list.

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Postby BleuPanda » Tue Apr 05, 2016 4:57 pm

Top 10 films that didn't make the list (I'll exclude Carol since I simply hadn't seen it before this list was in process):


1. Harold and Maude
2. Far From Heaven
3. Pan's Labyrinth
4. Un chien andalou
5. Kiss Me Deadly
6. Starship Troopers
7. Holy Motors
8. Cache
9. Tropical Malady
10. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

Ends up being a lot from the 2000s, not necessarily because I think the 2000s is some great decade as much as it's a case of me disagreeing with the results from the first 2000s poll.

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Postby Maschine_Man » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:04 pm

Fantastic Poll, and great words! I'm surprised at the Number 1, but glad it wasn't Pulp Fiction, to be honest.

My Top 10 not included in the list:

All About Eve (I'm so devastated I didn't get to nominate this)
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
Pan's Labyrinth (How!?)
Hot Fuzz
Juliet of the Spirits
Hero
Pink Flamingos
The Royal Tenenbaums
The Nightmare Before Christmas
Best in Show

(which all are in my Top 15)

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Postby babydoll » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:19 pm

Nick, you haven't seen It's a Wonderful Life and you live in the USA?! :o

I'm just happy neither The Godfather nor The Shawshank Redemption was #1. Fantastic rollout. I didn't vote for this (simply because I haven't seen all 250 films), but it's still a better public opinion poll than all the others by a long shot.

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Postby BleuPanda » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:50 pm

Also, here are the top 256 divided by their biggest fan (I think it's interesting to see the correlation between each user and their notable favorites):

acroamor:
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Magnolia
American Beauty
Network
The Deer Hunter
It's Such a Beautiful Day
Groundhog Day
On the Waterfront
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
Birdman
La jetee
Frances Ha


BleuPanda:
Mulholland Drive
A Clockwork Orange
Persona
Spirited Away
Wings of Desire
Come and See
Rashomon
The 400 Blows
Last Year at Marienbad
Amour
Harakiri


bonnielaurel:
Psycho
Vertigo
Modern Times
The Seventh Seal
The Third Man
North by Northwest
The Apartment
Double Indemnity
Gone With the Wind
Blow-Up
Machuca
Black Swan
Rosemary's Baby
The Graduate
Jean de Florette
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf
Mr. Smith Goes to Washington
Lust, Caution
The Exorcist
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Dances With Wolves
A Beautiful Mind


bootsy:
Do the Right Thing
Memento
The Shawshank Redemption
The Matrix
Oldboy
12 Years a Slave
L.A. Confidential
Inception


Chilton:
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
12 Angry Men
Dancer in the Dark
Hiroshima mon amour
The Man Who Planted Trees
The Tale of the Princess Kaguya
Leon/The Professional


Dexter:
Citizen Kane
The Godfather: Part II
Seven Samurai
The Rules of the Game
Singin' in the Rain
The Gold Rush
The Passion of Joan of Arc
The General
Battleship Potemkin
Lawrence of Arabia
Ikiru
The Searchers
Ran
Grand Illusion
Sansho the Bailiff


Emilien:
Forrest Gump
Good Will Hunting


Gillingham:
8.5
No Country for Old Men
Stalker
Ordet
Sunrise
The Thin Red Line
A Separation
Festen
Earth
Wild Strawberries
Winter Light
The Grapes of Wrath
The Battle of Algiers
Day of Wrath
Barry Lyndon
All About My Mother
The Mirror
Donnie Darko


Greg:
Blade Runner
Once Upon a Time in the West
City Lights
Bicycle Thieves
Children of Paradise
Touch of Evil
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari
Andrei Rublev
Solaris
Le samourai
The Element of Crime
La Dolce Vita
Nosferatu
Down By Law
Heart of Glass
Nashville
Yi Yi
Ivan the Terrible, Part I
The Sting
Mad Max: Fury Road
Ghost World
The Evil Dead


Live in Phoenix:
Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Back to the Future
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
The Silence of the Lambs
The Man With a Movie Camera
The Man Who Fell to Earth
This Is Spinal Tap
A Christmas Story
Schindler's List
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
Night of the Living Dead
Dawn of the Dead


luney6:
Three Colors: Red
The Conversation
Pather Panchali


MaschineMan:
Goodfellas
Sunset Blvd.
Some Like It Hot
Metropolis
Rear Window
Her
Raise the Red Lantern
Kill Bill
Amelie
Rebecca
Requiem for a Dream


Michel:
Apocalypse Now
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
Breathless
Reservoir Dogs
Breaking the Waves
Paris, Texas
Dekalog
To Be or Not to Be
The Night of the Hunter
Brazil
Sleuth
Manhattan
The Idiots
Waltz With Bashir
Pierrot le fou
The Taste of Others
Bonnie and Clyde
The Usual Suspects
Deliverance
A Prophet


Midaso:
Taxi Driver
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Boogie Nights
Naked
Once Upon a Time in America
The Right Stuff
The Best of Youth
City of God
Midnight Cowboy
Happiness
Hoop Dreams
A Woman Under the Influence
The Ice Storm
Whiplash
Eyes Wide Shut
Dazed and Confused
Rushmore


MrMooney:
It's a Wonderful Life
Raging Bull
M
Chinatown
The Shining
There Will Be Blood
Raiders of the Lost Ark
The Red Shoes
The Elephant Man
Crimes and Misdemeanors
The Lives of Others
The Thing
Jaws
Army of Shadows
La Bête Humaine
Cool Hand Luke
Young Frankenstein


Nassim:
The Wages of Fear
Toy Story 3
Children of Men
Moonrise Kingdom
Let the Right One In
Halloween
High Fidelity


Nick:
Pulp Fiction
The Big Lebowski
Boyhood
Fight Club
The Social Network
Koyaanisqatsi
Airplane!
The Departed


OtisRedding:
The Godfather
Annie Hall
Blue Velvet
The Great Dictator
Fargo
Freaks
Fanny and Alexander
Edward Scissorhands


Petri:
2001: A Space Odyssey
My Neighbor Totoro
Tokyo Story
Grave of the Fireflies
A Man Escaped or: The Wind Bloweth Where It Listeth
Los Olvidados
Being John Malkovich
Days of Heaven
Rocco and His Brothers
Songs From the Second Floor
Notorious
Talk to Her
Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring
Eraserhead
Short Cuts
Cabaret
3-Iron
Woman in the Dunes
The Hunt
Monsieur Verdoux
To Kill a Mockingbird
The Manchurian Candidate
Zelig


whuntva:
Casablanca
Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Alien
WALL-E
Trainspotting
The Wizard of Oz
Duck Soup
Amadeus
Great Expectations
The Iron Giant
Inglorious Basterds
O Brother, Where Art Thou?

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Re: AMF Top 250 Films of All Time (2016 edition)

Postby whuntva » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:24 pm

Since it seems trendy, her are my Top 10 films that did not make the cut:

King Kong (#15)
Ed Wood (#18)
High Noon (#22)
Wuthering Heights (#24)
Unforgiven (#27)
Fantasia (#28)
Oldboy (#31)
Serenity (#32)
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (#35)
Yankee Doodle Dandy (#36)
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Postby Nick » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:32 pm

whuntva wrote:Since it seems trendy, her are my Top 10 films that did not make the cut:

King Kong (#15)
Ed Wood (#18)
High Noon (#22)
Wuthering Heights (#24)
Unforgiven (#27)
Fantasia (#28)
Oldboy (#31)
Serenity (#32)
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (#35)
Yankee Doodle Dandy (#36)


Unless you're talking about the Spike Lee version of the film, Oldboy did make the cut (although sadly, not in the top 100).

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Postby Nick » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:34 pm

babydoll wrote:Nick, you haven't seen It's a Wonderful Life and you live in the USA?! :o

I'm just happy neither The Godfather nor The Shawshank Redemption was #1. Fantastic rollout. I didn't vote for this (simply because I haven't seen all 250 films), but it's still a better public opinion poll than all the others by a long shot.


Hahaha believe me, people react with disbelief whenever I mention that. People used to react with the same disbelief when I told them I hadn't seen The Princess Bride, but since I watched that one over the summer, It's a Wonderful Life is my latest "ultimate spit-take" movie.

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Postby whuntva » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:54 pm

Nick wrote:
whuntva wrote:Since it seems trendy, her are my Top 10 films that did not make the cut:

King Kong (#15)
Ed Wood (#18)
High Noon (#22)
Wuthering Heights (#24)
Unforgiven (#27)
Fantasia (#28)
Oldboy (#31)
Serenity (#32)
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (#35)
Yankee Doodle Dandy (#36)


Unless you're talking about the Spike Lee version of the film, Oldboy did make the cut (although sadly, not in the top 100).


So it did.

In which case, A Night at the Opera (#43) would be it.

My IMDB list of favorites is actually a little out of date. I may need to go back and look at it again.
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Postby Petri » Wed Apr 06, 2016 6:38 am

10 favorite movies that were not in the final (in alphabetical order)
(I realised that at least 30 of my top 100 movies didn't make the qut (so there could be totally different choices (haven't updated my top 100 for a while)

A Night at the Opera (1935)
Beasts of the Southern Wild (2012)
C'est arrivé près de chez vous [Man Bites Dog]
Crna mačka, beli mačor [Black Cat, White Cat] (1998)
Dr. Mabuse, der Spieler [Dr. Mabuse: The Gambler] (1922)
Enter the Void (2009)
Heima (2007)
La strada [The Road] (1954)
Rosetta (1999)
Varjoja paratiisissa [Shadows in Paradise] (1986)

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Postby Greg » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:36 pm

1. The Fall of the House of Usher / Jean Epstein / France / 1928
2. Triumph of the Will / Leni Riefenstahl / Germany / 1935
3. Rebel Without a Cause / Nicholas Ray / U.S./ 1955
4. Two-Lane Blacktop / Monte Hellman / U.S. / 1971
5. Nostalghia / Andrei Tarkovsky / Italy/U.S.S.R. / 1983
6. Mouchette / Robert Bresson / France / 1967
7. Kings of the Road / Wim Wenders / West Germany / 1976
8. Nosferatu the Vampyre / Werner Herzog / West Germany / 1979
9. Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East? / Bae Yong-kyun / South Korea / 1989
10. Ulysses' Gaze / Theo Angelopoulos / Greece / 1995

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Postby Gillingham » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:40 pm

Top 10 that didn't make it:
(All top 40 and more than 40 in my top 100 that didn't get in)

1. 21 Grams (Inarritu, 2003)
2. Solyaris (Tarkovsky, 1972)
3. Amores Perros (Inarritu, 2000)
4. Kárhozat [Damnation] (Tarr, 1988)
5. Badlands (Malick, 1973)
6. Dersu Uzala (Kurosawa, 1975)
7. Pi (Aronofsky, 1998)
8. Abre los Ojos (Amenabar, 1997)
9. Hunger (McQueen, 2008)
10. La Grande Bellezza (Sorrentino, 2013)

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Postby Bruno » Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:15 pm

Great job, BleuPanda!

You will post the spreadsheet?

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Postby Maschine_Man » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:00 pm

Everyone has a few great films I have seen in their Not Included lists, I have to do some more watching of the films I haven't seen before their years come up in the new film poll set.

MaschineMan:
Goodfellas
Sunset Blvd.
Some Like It Hot
Metropolis
Rear Window
Her
Raise the Red Lantern
Kill Bill
Amelie
Rebecca
Requiem for a Dream


I'll take this. This is a nice little list (well, it has to be by its nature, right?) .

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Postby BleuPanda » Thu Apr 07, 2016 6:11 pm

I feel really weird being A Clockwork Orange's biggest fan.

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Postby Nick » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:46 am

Just watched "It's a Wonderful Life". Really great movie, brought a couple tears to my eyes during the end. It probably would've placed high on my list had I seen it in time, but it looks like it didn't need my help to get a high position. A great start to my journey through the unseen movies here.

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Postby Dexter » Tue Apr 12, 2016 3:46 am

Nick wrote:Just watched "It's a Wonderful Life". Really great movie, brought a couple tears to my eyes during the end. It probably would've placed high on my list had I seen it in time, but it looks like it didn't need my help to get a high position. A great start to my journey through the unseen movies here.

...and here I thought "It's a Wonderful Life" is always shown during Christmas season in the United States.

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Dexter wrote:
Nick wrote:Just watched "It's a Wonderful Life". Really great movie, brought a couple tears to my eyes during the end. It probably would've placed high on my list had I seen it in time, but it looks like it didn't need my help to get a high position. A great start to my journey through the unseen movies here.

...and here I thought "It's a Wonderful Life" is always shown during Christmas season in the United States.

Every Christmas Eve on NBC. Every single year without fail. That's why it's so shocking when hearing that one has never seen the film.

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Postby Nick » Sun May 01, 2016 2:35 pm

Recently watched Magnolia and Freaks for the first time.

Magnolia was flat out amazing. A little melodramatic at times, but the sheer power of the movie made the melodrama easy to ignore. The plot is so intricate and dense and the tangled web of connections between the parallel storylines blew my mind upon seeing them unfold. And every actor gives their A game here. You wouldn't think Tom Cruise would play that role so well, but he completely nailed it. Right now it's either this or Boogie Nights for my favorite PTA film (though I still haven't seen Hard Eight, The Master, or Inherent Vice (I'm actually waiting to read the book first before I see the movie, and since I'm trying to read all of Pynchon's works in order of their publishing date, and seeing as I finished Mason and Dixon last year and am currently feeling a bit daunted at the prospect of reading the 1100 page Against the Day, it may be a while before I actually see Inherent Vice)).

Freaks on the other hand, was just alright.

Let's just get this right out of the way. The acting in Freaks is pretty bad. That, as far as I'm concerned, is pretty much indisputable. The storyline, when you strip away the whole "freak" element to it, isn't really all that compelling. The characters are one dimensional, there's nothing special here in the way of dialogue or cinematography, and the end of the movie really muddles the message of "it's okay to be a freak". What this movie really has going for it, is the fact that it's just so far ahead of its time when it comes to the treatment of its subject matter. The movie humanizes the "freaks" and demonizes the conventionally beautiful antagonists. Despite its flaws, the movie is both funny and endearing (for the most part). It's nowhere near my top 100 movies of all time, but it is worth a watch.

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Nick wrote:Freaks on the other hand, was just alright.

Let's just get this right out of the way. The acting in Freaks is pretty bad. That, as far as I'm concerned, is pretty much indisputable. The storyline, when you strip away the whole "freak" element to it, isn't really all that compelling. The characters are one dimensional, there's nothing special here in the way of dialogue or cinematography, and the end of the movie really muddles the message of "it's okay to be a freak". What this movie really has going for it, is the fact that it's just so far ahead of its time when it comes to the treatment of its subject matter. The movie humanizes the "freaks" and demonizes the conventionally beautiful antagonists. Despite its flaws, the movie is both funny and endearing (for the most part). It's nowhere near my top 100 movies of all time, but it is worth a watch.

You do realize that most of these actors were disabled mentally? I think that the best they were going to give.

This film is not about acting, and does not pretend to be about acting. This film is about the aesthetics of the image, the pulpiness of the storyline, and what it means to be human.

Sorry, I just had a problem about the acting part. I actually think the best part of the film is the ending (not the Hans-Frieda section but the SPOILER: Cleopatra's punishment) which makes me laugh every time at the image.

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babydoll wrote:
Nick wrote:Freaks on the other hand, was just alright.

Let's just get this right out of the way. The acting in Freaks is pretty bad. That, as far as I'm concerned, is pretty much indisputable. The storyline, when you strip away the whole "freak" element to it, isn't really all that compelling. The characters are one dimensional, there's nothing special here in the way of dialogue or cinematography, and the end of the movie really muddles the message of "it's okay to be a freak". What this movie really has going for it, is the fact that it's just so far ahead of its time when it comes to the treatment of its subject matter. The movie humanizes the "freaks" and demonizes the conventionally beautiful antagonists. Despite its flaws, the movie is both funny and endearing (for the most part). It's nowhere near my top 100 movies of all time, but it is worth a watch.

You do realize that most of these actors were disabled mentally? I think that the best they were going to give.

This film is not about acting, and does not pretend to be about acting. This film is about the aesthetics of the image, the pulpiness of the storyline, and what it means to be human.

Sorry, I just had a problem about the acting part. I actually think the best part of the film is the ending (not the Hans-Frieda section but the SPOILER: Cleopatra's punishment) which makes me laugh every time at the image.


Actually, the acting that I really thought was bad was all done by actors without mental disabilities. The "non-Freaks" and the Hans and Frida actors were awful (I am assuming none of these actors had mental disabilities). The ones that I assume had mental disabilities were actually just fine.

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Nick wrote:Actually, the acting that I really thought was bad was all done by actors without mental disabilities. The "non-Freaks" and the Hans and Frida actors were awful (I am assuming none of these actors had mental disabilities). The ones that I assume had mental disabilities were actually just fine.

Oh, I agree that the non-mentally challenged people were bad. I just wasn't sure if you meant the "freaks" in there as well, because that would have been unfair. But I'm going to repeat this: "This film is not about acting, and does not pretend to be about acting."

I'm going to defend Freaks till the day I die.

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Re: AMF Top 250 Films of All Time (2016 edition)

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Nick wrote:Recently watched Magnolia and Freaks for the first time.

Magnolia was flat out amazing. A little melodramatic at times, but the sheer power of the movie made the melodrama easy to ignore. The plot is so intricate and dense and the tangled web of connections between the parallel storylines blew my mind upon seeing them unfold. And every actor gives their A game here. You wouldn't think Tom Cruise would play that role so well, but he completely nailed it. Right now it's either this or Boogie Nights for my favorite PTA film (though I still haven't seen Hard Eight, The Master, or Inherent Vice (I'm actually waiting to read the book first before I see the movie, and since I'm trying to read all of Pynchon's works in order of their publishing date, and seeing as I finished Mason and Dixon last year and am currently feeling a bit daunted at the prospect of reading the 1100 page Against the Day, it may be a while before I actually see Inherent Vice)).

Good of you to go and watch some of the high ranking films you hadn't seen before. Even better is that your investing to read all of Pynchon's works! As of yet I've only read 2,5 books of him, of which Inherent Vice is one. It's fun and typically Pynchon, but I wasn't as impressed by it as by The Crying of Lot 49. I've started reading Gravity Rainbow, but figured I needed to get a bit more used to his writing to fully appreciate it. I'm not going to do it chronologically, but am also set on reading his complete bibliography, some time. V. is probably up next.

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Re: AMF Top 250 Films of All Time (2016 edition)

Postby Nick » Tue May 03, 2016 4:31 pm

Gillingham wrote:
Nick wrote:Recently watched Magnolia and Freaks for the first time.

Magnolia was flat out amazing. A little melodramatic at times, but the sheer power of the movie made the melodrama easy to ignore. The plot is so intricate and dense and the tangled web of connections between the parallel storylines blew my mind upon seeing them unfold. And every actor gives their A game here. You wouldn't think Tom Cruise would play that role so well, but he completely nailed it. Right now it's either this or Boogie Nights for my favorite PTA film (though I still haven't seen Hard Eight, The Master, or Inherent Vice (I'm actually waiting to read the book first before I see the movie, and since I'm trying to read all of Pynchon's works in order of their publishing date, and seeing as I finished Mason and Dixon last year and am currently feeling a bit daunted at the prospect of reading the 1100 page Against the Day, it may be a while before I actually see Inherent Vice)).

Good of you to go and watch some of the high ranking films you hadn't seen before. Even better is that your investing to read all of Pynchon's works! As of yet I've only read 2,5 books of him, of which Inherent Vice is one. It's fun and typically Pynchon, but I wasn't as impressed by it as by The Crying of Lot 49. I've started reading Gravity Rainbow, but figured I needed to get a bit more used to his writing to fully appreciate it. I'm not going to do it chronologically, but am also set on reading his complete bibliography, some time. V. is probably up next.


Thanks, Gillingham!

I wasn't too big on V. personally, I thought that the stylistic techniques Pynchon was working with in that book weren't as developed as the techniques he was working with in his later novels. In a way, V. felt like a dry run for Gravity's Rainbow. As for The Crying of Lot 49, I really liked it. Gravity's Rainbow was great too, but anyone who claims to fully understand it is probably lying. I recall frequently wishing that the book was a bit more understandable, but at the same time the chaos is sort of the point. Slow Learner was alright, but better than most people say it is. Really the biggest crime it commits is that it's not too memorable. Vineland is criminally underrated though, and is the most accessible of the Pynchon novels I've read. And Mason & Dixon might be my favorite of his. I'm working my way very slowly through his bibliography (I started in summer 2010), but I do hope to finish sometime this decade.


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