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The rules:

You can post a list of anywhere between 1 and 15 films (or more, but only 15 will be counted) from the period we're covering. The deciding factor in terms of release dates is the RYM list and the top 15 of each period will go on to the final top 150. The deadline is February 28th.

The points scheme is as follows:
1. 50
2. 40
3. 30
4. 20
5. 15
6. 10
7. 9
8. 8
9. 7
10. 6
11. 5
12. 4
13. 3
14. 2
15. 1

However, these are the maximum amounts of points. If you want to put certain films on your list but don't want to give them too many points, you can choose to give these less points than in this scheme (but never more) to decrease the impact on the overall results. If you don't specifically state that you want to give (some of) your films fewer points, I will assume the standard scheme.

Here are some lists to remind you of the films released in this period:
RYM: http://rateyourmusic.com/films/chart?pa ... &year=1941
http://rateyourmusic.com/films/chart?pa ... &year=1942
http://rateyourmusic.com/films/chart?pa ... &year=1943
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/year/1941
http://www.imdb.com/year/1942
http://www.imdb.com/year/1943

If you vote for 4 movies or less, this is the adjusted scores:
4 votes
1. Movie 40 p
2. 30 p
3. 20 p
4. 15 p

3 votes
1. Movie 30 p
2. 20 p
3. 15 p

2 votes
1. Movie 20 p
2. 15 p

1 vote
1. Movie 15 p
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Current list:
1. Citizen Kane
2. Casablanca
3. Meshes of the Afternoon
4. The Lady Eve
5. To Be or Not to Be
6. The Maltese Falcon
7. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
8. Sullivan's Travels
9. The Magnificent Ambersons
10. Bambi
11. Shadow of a Doubt
12. The Ox-Bow Incident
13. Dumbo
14. Listen to Britain
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1. Casablanca / Michael Curtiz / U.S.
2. Citizen Kane / Orson Welles / U.S.
3. Sullivan's Travels / Preston Sturges / U.S.
4. To Be or Not to Be / Ernst Lubitsch / U.S.
5. Cat People / Jacques Tourneur / U.S.
6. This Gun for Hire / Frank Tuttle / U.S.
7. The Palm Beach Story / Preston Sturges / U.S.
8. Ossessione / Luchino Visconti / Italy
9. The Major and the Minor / Billy Wilder / U.S.
10. Ball of Fire / Howard Hawks / U.S.
11. The Lady Eve / Preston Sturges / U.S.
12. The Seventh Victim / Mark Robson / U.S.
13. That Uncertain Feeling / Ernst Lubitsch / U.S.
14. Day of Wrath / Carl Theodor Dreyer / Denmark
15. The Outlaw / Howard Hughes / U.S.

16. The Leopard Man / Jacques Tourneur / U.S.
17. Fires Were Started / Humphrey Jennings / U.K.
18. I Walked with a Zombie / Jacques Tourneur / U.S.
19. All That Money Can Buy (The Devil and Daniel Webster) / William Dieterle / U.S.
20. The Ox-Bow Incident / William A. Wellman / U.S.
21. The Magnificent Ambersons / Orson Welles / U.S.
22. There Was a Father / Yasujiro Ozu / Japan
23. The Shanghai Gesture / Josef von Sternberg / U.S.
24. Ornamental Hairpin / Hiroshi Shimizu / Japan
25. The Maltese Falcon / John Huston / U.S.
26. The More the Merrier / George Stevens / U.S.
27. Shadow of a Doubt / Alfred Hitchcock / U.S.
28. Le corbeau / Henri-Georges Clouzot / France
29. The Devil's Envoys / Marcel Carne / France
30. Suspicion / Alfred Hitchcock / U.S.
31. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp / Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger / U.K.
32. 49th Parallel / Michael Powell / U.K.
33. Meet John Doe / Frank Capra / U.S.
34. Road to Morocco / David Butler / U.S.
35. High Sierra / Raoul Walsh / U.S.
36. Air Force / Howard Hawks / U.S.
37. Saboteur / Alfred Hitchcock / U.S.
38. Hangmen Also Die! / Fritz Lang / U.S.
39. The Wolf Man / George Waggner / U.S.
40. The 47 Ronin / Kenji Mizoguchi / Japan
41. Heaven Can Wait / Ernst Lubitsch / U.S.
42. Remorgues / Jean Gremillon / France
43. Sergeant York / Howard Hawks / U.S.
44. Man Hunt / Fritz Lang / U.S.
45. Woman of the Year / George Stevens / U.S.
46. The Little Foxes / William Wyler / U.S.
47. Lumiere d'ete / Jean Gremillon / France
48. Son of Dracula / Robert Siodmak / U.S.
49. Now, Voyager / Irving Rapper / U.S.
50. How Green Was My Valley / John Ford / U.S.
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1. Vredens Dag (Carl Theodor Dreyer)
2. Casablanca (Michael Curtiz)
3. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger)
4. The Maltese Falcon (John Huston)
5. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles)
6. The Ox-Bow Incident (William A. Wellman)
7. Ball of Fire (Howard Hawks)
8. How Green Was My Valley (John Ford)
9. Bambi (James Algar & Samuel Armstrong)
10. Shadow of a Doubt (Alfred Hitchcock)
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1| How Green Was My Valley / John Ford
2| The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp / Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger
3| The Magnificent Ambersons / Orson Welles
4| Day of Wrath / Carl Dreyer
5| Citizen Kane / Orson Welles
6| The Lady Eve / Preston Sturges
7| To Be or Not to Be / Ernst Lubitsch
8| Casablanca / Michael Curtiz
9| Sullivan's Travels / Preston Sturges
10| Meshes of the Afternoon / Maya Deren
11| I Walked with a Zombie / Jacques Tourneur
12| The Strawberry Blonde / Raoul Walsh
13| The Palm Beach Story / Preston Sturges
14| Heaven Can Wait / Ernst Lubitsch
15| Shadow of a Doubt / Alfred Hitchcock
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1. Meshes of the Afternoon
2. Shadow of a Doubt
3. Vredens dag [Day of Wrath]
4. Citizen Kane
5. Casablanca
6. Dumbo
7. How Green Was My Valley
8. Bambi
9. I Walked With a Zombie
10. To Be or Not to Be
11. Sullivan's Travels
12. The Maltese Falcon
13. Meet John Doe
14. Cat People
15. The Outlaw

16. The Wolf Man
17. The Big Store
18. Saludos Amigos
19. Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man
20. Never Give a Sucker an Even Break [What a Man]
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1. Casablanca – Michael Curtiz (USA, 1942)
2. The Lady Eve – Preston Sturges (USA, 1941)
3. Ball of Fire – Howard Hawks (USA, 1941)
4. Suspicion – Alfred Hitchcock (USA, 1941)
5. How Green Was My Valley – John Ford (USA, 1941)
6. High Sierra – Raoul Walsh (USA, 1941)
7. To Be or Not to Be – Ernst Lubitsch (USA, 1942)
8. Citizen Kane – Orson Welles (USA, 1941)
9. Shadow of a Doubt – Alfred Hitchcock (USA, 1943)
10. Gentleman Jim – Raoul Walsh (USA, 1942)
11. This Land is Mine – Jean Renoir (USA, 1943)
12. Saboteur – Alfred Hitchcock (USA, 1942)
13. Meet John Doe – Frank Capra (USA, 1941)
14. They Died With Their Boots On – Raoul Walsh (USA, 1941)
15. The Big Store – Charles Reisner (USA, 1941)

16. The Black Swan – Henry King (USA, 1942)
17. Bambi – James Algar & Samuel Armstrong (USA, 1942)
18. The Maltese Falcon – John Huston (USA, 1941)
19. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde – Victor Fleming (USA, 1941)
20. I Walked With a Zombie – Jacques Toruneur (USA, 1943)
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1. Casablanca
2. The Maltese Falcon
3. Citizen Kane
4. Shadow of a Doubt
5. To Be Or Not to Be
6. Vredens Dag [Day of Wrath]
7. Sullivan's Travels
8. Mrs. Miniver
9. Cabin in the Sky
10. Phantom of the Opera
11. The Magnificent Ambersons
12. Tortilla Flat
13. They Died with Their Boots On
14. High Sierra
15. Suspicion
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1. Casablanca
2. The Magnificent Ambersons
3. Citizen Kane
4. The Lady Eve
5. The Life And Death Of Colonel Blimp
6. The Maltese Falcon
7. To Be Or Not To Be
8. How Green Was My Valley
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1. Le corbeau [The Raven] (1943) Henri-Georges Clouzot
2. To Be or Not to Be (1942) Ernst Lubitsch
3. Citizen Kane (1941) Orson Welles
4. Casablanca (1942) Michael Curtiz
5. Sullivan's Travels (1941) Preston Sturges
6. The Little Foxes (1941) William Wyler
7. Ball of Fire (1941) Howard Hawks
8. Cat People (1942) Jacques Tourneur
9. The Ox-Bow Incident (1943) William A. Wellman
10. The Magnificent Ambersons (1942) Orson Welles
11. The Major and the Minor (1942) Billy Wilder
12. Vredens dag [Day of Wrath] (1943) Carl Th. Dreyer
13. The Maltese Falcon (1941) John Huston
14. Heaven Can Wait (1943) Ernst Lubitsch
15. Shadow of a Doubt (1943) Alfred Hitchcock
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1. To Be or Not to Be
2. Casablanca
3. Citizen Kane
4. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp
5. Shadow of a Doubt
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JimmyJazz wrote:1| How Green Was My Valley / John Ford
5| Citizen Kane / Orson Welles
Were you by any chance in the Oscar jury of 1942?
They give awards for that music? I thought just ear plugs. (Woody Allen in Annie Hall)
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bonnielaurel wrote:
JimmyJazz wrote:1| How Green Was My Valley / John Ford
5| Citizen Kane / Orson Welles
Were you by any chance in the Oscar jury of 1942?
Nope, I just love Ford (and How Green being in my top 5 Ford films) more than Welles, he was my #2 after all. I don't worship at the altar of Kane, great film as it also is. I strongly feel that How Green was one of the very few times the Academy got it right. For the 42 Oscars, on the other hand, they should have awarded Welles for the Ambersons, (plus, you know, not butchered it to death).

What the hell is that comment supposed to mean anyways? I also outranked Kane with another film of his, Powell and Pressburger, and Dreyer. It is still in my top 5, not really that low a placement in my opinion.

PS: I'm sorry if this post is aggressive sounding, but your comment is rather snarky sounding itself.
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Here is a defense of How Green versus Kane by one of the foremost film scholars in America, Kristin Thompson: http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/ ... ssumption/

That, more or less, underlines my own reasons for loving the film.

In the end, however, I figure that it depends on how much you love Ford's cinema. How Green is a very characteristic Ford film, so great for Ford buffs and not so great for non-buffs.

I know Welsh people who detest the film as well, because Ford makes them all Irish instead. This is not surprising considering Ford was an Irishman himself. I don't usually require much accuracy in my films, however, unless it is, literally, a documentary. "Realistic" and "realism": this is a too far-fetched term for any narrative film, I have come to the conclusion of.

The Italian "Neo-Realists" also heavily staged scenes and gave the people lines in their films. Frankly, those plots can be pretty sentimental at some moments, too. Still doesn't detract from their greatness in my eyes however.
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Also, want to reiterate that I apologize for the defensive attitude of my posts, I possibly was just misunderstanding your comment. It is hard TP understand tone over the Internet.
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JimmyJazz wrote:Also, want to reiterate that I apologize for the defensive attitude of my posts, I possibly was just misunderstanding your comment. It is hard TP understand tone over the Internet.
It wasn't meant negative at all, I was just surprised. It's interesting to read your views on these films.
They give awards for that music? I thought just ear plugs. (Woody Allen in Annie Hall)
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bonnielaurel wrote:
JimmyJazz wrote:Also, want to reiterate that I apologize for the defensive attitude of my posts, I possibly was just misunderstanding your comment. It is hard TP understand tone over the Internet.
It wasn't meant negative at all, I was just surprised. It's interesting to read your views on these films.
Thank you, it is great to share them with somebody! :greetings-waveyellow:
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Citizen Kane is undoubtedly a great film and perhaps the most influential film in history. However I would argue against it being the greatest film of all time on several counts. :)

Short version, I don't think the film has spectacular pacing.
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1. Casablanca (Michael Curtiz)
2. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles)
3. The Maltese Falcon (John Huston)
4. The Magnificent Ambersons (Orson Welles)
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1) Casablanca – Michael Curtiz
2) To Be Or Not To Be – Ernst Lubitsch
3) Hangmen Also Die – Fritz Lang
4) Man Hunt – Fritz Lang
5) Romanze in Moll – Helmut Käutner
6) Citizen Kane – Orson Welles
7) Shadow Of A Doubt – Alfred Hitchcock
8) Osessione – Luchino Visconti
9) How Green Was My Valley – John Ford
10) Sergeant York – Howard Hawks
11) High Sierra – Raoul Walsh
12) Sullivan's Travels – Preston Sturges
13) Saboteur – Alfred Hitchcock
14) For Whom The Bell Tolls – Sam Wood
15) Le corbeau – Henri Georges Clouzot

Honorable Mentions:
I Walked Withe A Zombie – Jacques Tourneur
The Ox Bow Incident – William A. Wellman
Cat People – Jacques Tourneur
Journey Into Fear – Norman Foster
Heaven Can Wait – Ernst Lubitsch
L'eternel retour – Jean Dellanoy
Suspicion – Alfred Hitchcock
Münchhausen – Josef von Baky
The Palm Beach Story – Preston Sturges
The Big Shot – Lewis Seiler
Meet John Doe – Frank Capra
This Gun For Hire – Frank Tuttle
The Magnificent Ambersons – Orson Welles
Across The Pacific - John Huston
Tarzan Triumphs – Wilhelm Thiele

Honorable Mentions (Shorts):
Blitz Wolf – Tex Avery
Der Führer's Face – Jack Kinney
Red Hot Riding Hood – Tex Avery
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Results:
1. Casablanca - Michael Curtiz - 453
2. Citizen Kane - Orson Welles - 308
3. To Be or Not to Be - Ernst Lubitsch - 213
4. Day of Wrath/Vredens dag - Carl Theodor Dreyer - 116
5. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp - Powell & Pressburger - 114
6. The Maltese Falcon - John Huston - 107
7. Shadow of a Doubt - Alfred Hitchcock - 104
8. The Magnificent Ambersons - Orson Welles - 103
9. How Green Was My Valley - John Ford - 97
10. The Lady Eve - Preston Sturges -95
11. Meshes of the Afternoon - Maya Deren - 86
12. Sullivan's Travels - Preston Sturges - 78
13. Ball of Fire - Howard Hawks - 54
14. The Raven/Le corbeau - Henri-Georges Clouzot - 51
15. Cat People -Jacques Tourneur - 25

Honorable Mentions:
Hangmen Also Die - 30 (but only 1 vote)
The Ox-Bow Incident - 21
Suspicion - 21
Bambi - 21
Man Hunt - 20
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