bootsy wrote: BleuPanda wrote:
bootsy wrote:LOL at most the USA films at the bottom. What a joke. This will probably be the last time I participate in a obviously biased and skewed poll like this. I normally don't whine about stuff like this but this is a very slanted and one sided poll.
Literally 60% of the movies in this final 150 are from the USA; you're calling this biased because they're not all doing well?
You do realize about 17 of the remaining movies are American, right? That's even higher of a percentage than the overall list in the top 25! Add to that that most of the remaining foreign films are in English; and you're claiming this list is biased because it's not American enough, when the grand majority of the world gets a single movie at most in the top ranks?
Sorry, bootsy, but you are the biased one; and the fact that you're taking offense at other countries getting the slightest bit of representation, specifically on a forum with many Europeans, stinks heavily of xenophobia. Stop expecting us to cater to your specific and limited taste; if you're not going to open up your world view and then yell at us for having wider taste, then yes, please don't participate. We don't need your hateful and altogether inaccurate analysis here.
Final 150? That's how many were voted on to begin with so that doesn't really mean anything.
And no I don't realize that about 17 of the remaining films are American because I haven't seen the rest of the poll yet. I'm going by what I see in the bottom part of the poll.
I'm not biased I see that a lot of the US films are shoved at the bottom part of the poll and that raises some questions for me. And if anything you have the problem, every review I see of a film you hate it. Do you like any films at all lol.
And give me a break with me being hateful, where did I say anything hateful. Just because I voiced my opinion about this poll on is being hateful? I think you need to look up the definition of that word. Not everyone is going to always agree with everyone else and fall in line. I expressed my opinion, which I have every right to do and you define it as hateful, you can get out of here with that mess.
We've already explained multiple times why lower-end American films end up at the bottom of the list; they only place within the top 150 because everyone has seen them, but the final list is balanced so that people have to really like a film for it to benefit. Few if any of us have highly positive opinions of the lower ranked films; why should they be higher if we collectively prefer the other films? (also note that the lowest ranked film is also a highly popular foreign film; it's popularity-that-lacks-love that hurts movies here, which simply correlates most of the time to Hollywood due to its presence on the world stage)
And yes, when you accuse everyone else who participated of being biased because they don't love Point Break or whatever movie you're pissed about, that's hateful. You feel the need to show your disdain for everyone because some movies you like didn't do well against a bunch of movies you've never seen and likely know little about. Do you know anything about half these foreign films you apparently dislike and think deserve a lower reputation?
How about, instead of accusing us of being biased against these lower ranked films, you offer reasons for why any of those films deserve to place higher on this list?
Or, maybe, you can just accept that slightly-above-average Hollywood films don't belong in a discussion of the greatest films of an era, especially since there are dozens of outstanding Hollywood films that are doing fantastic. Film as an artform offers a voice to the people, and ignoring people's voices because they speak a different language is a hindrance to your appreciation of the meaning that film can carry. You can learn so much about the world through the films of other countries; no Hollywood budget can replace the authenticity of our selection of foreign films. I'd go so far as to say many of these films are life-changing; they provide a glimpse into lives you would never stop to think about without their existence. Few of the films in the lower third offer such an experience (many of the higher Hollywood films, on the other hand, do).
And if most of my opinions seem negative, it's because:
a) I'm talking about these films in the context of them being in consideration for being called among the best of the 90s, so I'm going to be critical.
and b) I still wrote largely positively about a large section of these; I'd need to find a ratio, but I feel like it was about split down the line, with most of my negative comments being explanations on why they didn't land in my top whatever percent. In the end, a lot of my positive comments would be shared between these films (the majority of these films have at least good writing, cinematography, etc.; it would get repetitive); it's the flaws where things differ, and when commenting on 150 films, I'm going to focus on the differences (my comments for my top 30 or so are a lot more detailed, as their notable differences in quality go in the positive direction)
In the end, the only film I really didn't care for was James and the Giant Peach. There are about a dozen more I thought were simply average, and I at least liked everything else. If it doesn't appear in my hater's section, a negative comment is largely a statement within this context only; they would have largely positive reviews if I actually spent a few hundred words on them.