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NPR - The 200 Greatest Songs by 21st Century Women+ (2018)

Postby StevieFan13 » Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:24 pm

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/30/62739544 ... men-part-1
I guess this is a follow-up to the albums list from last year. Think they're gonna do a pre-21st century list too?

Will post the list shortly.
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Postby acroamor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:49 pm

Quality list. The one real sticking point I had with it is a lack of Julia Holter, who I consider one of the most exciting artists working in the modern day, male or female.

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Postby Nassim » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:30 pm

acroamor wrote:Quality list. The one real sticking point I had with it is a lack of Julia Holter, who I consider one of the most exciting artists working in the modern day, male or female.


For me it's the lack of Bat for Lashes songs !

Is that the first list with Why We Built the Wall ?

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Postby Listyguy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:19 am

acroamor wrote:Quality list. The one real sticking point I had with it is a lack of Julia Holter, who I consider one of the most exciting artists working in the modern day, male or female.


For me it's the lack of Sleater-Kinney. Inexplicable.

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Postby Matski » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:14 am

As much as I love the band, NPR are likely counting Sleater-Kinney as a 90s group.

acroamor wrote:Quality list. The one real sticking point I had with it is a lack of Julia Holter, who I consider one of the most exciting artists working in the modern day, male or female.

Julia has been my favourite female solo artist of the decade so far. Her omission is a big disappointment. Also very dissatisfied by the lack of Beach House.

Still, really happy/surprised to see both Hurray for the Riff Raff and Mitski ranking that high. Well deserved.

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Postby Pauler » Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:21 pm

This list is just fantastic and unbelievably surprising in all the right ways.
Notable inclusions:
- DJ Sprinkles (a transgender artist) who released the Deep House album of the century
- Cooly G (feat. Aaron Carr) & "He Said I Said": incredible choice, considering only Resident Advisor and FACT Magazine covered her back in 2012, if I'm not mistaken.
- Debut single by Avril Lavigne!
- Khia's "My Neck My Back"!
- Mention of Anais Mitchell's criminally overlooked MASTERPIECE HADESTOWN. I will never forget some online publication for this travesty.

My quibbles:
- Too many Rihanna songs and they didn't pick her best.
- "Blank Space" by Taylor Swift can be removed. "You Belong With Me" is still fantastic though.
- "Singles Ladies" as the best Beyonce song? I don't think so.
- Agree with every poster above me: the lack of Julia Holter and Beach House
- "BLIND" BY HERCULES & LOVE AFFAIR? HELLO?
- They have some nerve doing my girls Aaliyah and Missy Elliott like this.

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Postby Matski » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:27 pm

Much like Sleater-Kinney, Aaliyah and Missy had made their mark before the turn of the century so they were likely ineligible. Some people may point to Beyoncé as having been around since the 90s with Destiny's Child but she really didn't make a name for herself as a solo artist until the early 00s.
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Postby StevieFan13 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:45 pm

I personally was pleased to see Every Time the Sun Comes Up and Good as Hell make the cut. And Fuck the Pain Away in the top ten!
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Postby Henrik » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:49 pm

Matski wrote:Much like Sleater-Kinney, Aaliyah and Missy had made their mark before the turn of the century so they were likely ineligible. Some people may point to Beyoncé as having been around since the 90s with Destiny's Child but she really didn't make a name for herself as a solo artist until the early 00s.

”When we set the criteria for making our list, we did so knowing we'd leave artists out — artists like Britney Spears or Missy Elliott, who left an indelible mark on the current sounds and styles of pop but debuted too early to be considered in our list.”
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/30/633437514/women-are-the-fabric-of-21st-century-pop
This makes it much harder to include the list at AM. Every female artist with a song on AM from this millennium that ”debuted too early” would have to be defined and x’d out. How was Robyn included while Britney is declared as an early debutant?
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Postby Matski » Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:01 pm

Yeah, I've been going through the list and there are some acts there that had been releasing music before 2000. Against Me! and Feist have some pre-2000 releases but they didn't garner the attention that their post-00s releases would. Shakira was well-known in Latin America before the 00s, though her breakthrough elsewhere was in the early 00s. One of those pre-00s songs is on her AM profile.

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Postby Nassim » Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:08 pm

Pauler wrote:My quibbles:
- "BLIND" BY HERCULES & LOVE AFFAIR? HELLO?


I sort of assumed anything released under the Antony Hegarty name was not considered, as she was still going around with a male name, but once she changed to the Anohni moniker it does, as she then was openly transgender.
Or maybe it's just that Hercules & Love Affair is music by Andy Butler, but that would not explain the lack of Antony and the Johnsons.

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Postby Listyguy » Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:05 pm

I didn't realize they were strictly listing artists who debuted in the 00s.

Although as Henrik said, that makes it harder to sift through the list.

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Postby StevieFan13 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 7:45 pm

I think by that margin, that rules out: Madonna, Britney, Missy, Portishead, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey, and Lil Kim.

Somehow, it doesn't rule out Kelis or Sharon Jones.
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Postby Matski » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:35 pm

I'm not too familiar with Sharon's earlier work. Was 'You Better Think Twice' her only release under her name before 2000?

On the other hand, Kelis hit the ground running from the start. NPR possibly made an exception for 'Caught Out There...' and her debut album as they were released a few months before the end of 1999. It's still lending an exception to the rule though.

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Postby Dexter » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:57 am

Here's the list, for posterity's sake:

200. Lori McKenna, "Humble & Kind" (2016)
199. Rapsody (ft. BJ The Chicago Kid), "Black & Ugly" (2017)
198. Demi Lovato, "Cool For The Summer" (2015)
197. Kaki King, "Playing With Pink Noise" (2004)
196. La Insuperable (ft. Chimbala), "Damelo" (2013)
195. Buika, "Mi Niña Lola" (2006)
194. Lizz Wright, "Hit The Ground" (2005)
193. Allison Miller's Boom Tic Boom, "Otis Was A Polar Bear" (2016)
192. Emel Mathlouthi, "Kelmti Horra" (2012)
191. Ashley McBryde, "Girl Goin' Nowhere" (2018)
190. Phoebe Bridgers, "Smoke Signals" (2017)
189. The McCrary Sisters, "Train" (2013)
188. KING, "The Greatest" (2016)
187. Anna Thorvaldsdottir, In The Light Of Air: "Luminance" (2015)
186. Torres, "Sprinter" (2015)
185. Ms. Dynamite, "Dy-Na-Mi-Tee" (2002)
184. Khia, "My Neck, My Back (Lick It)" (2002)
183. Jorja Smith, "Blue Lights" (2016)
182. Idina Menzel, "Let It Go" (2013)
181. St. Vincent, "Digital Witness" (2014)
180. Sara Bareilles, "Love Song" (2007)
179. Laura Mvula, "Father Father" (2013)
178. Noname (ft. Raury & Cam O'bi), "Diddy Bop" (2016)
177. Light Asylum, "A Certain Person" (2010)
176. Victoire, "Cathedral City" (2010)
175. A-WA, "Habib Galbi" (2015)
174. Abigail Washburn, "City Of Refuge" (2011)
173. Jhené Aiko, "The Worst" (2013)
172. Juana Molina, "Eras" (2013)
171. Fatima Al Qadiri, "D-Medley" (2011)
170. Kelis, "Milkshake" (2003)
169. Brandy Clark, "Hold My Hand" (2013)
168. René Marie, "Dixie/Strange Fruit" (2001)
167. Daymé Arocena, "Mambo Na' Má" (2016)
166. I'm With Her, "I-89" (2018)
165. Tweet (ft. Missy Elliott), "Oops (Oh My)" (2002)
164. Amara La Negra, "Poron Pom Pom" (2013)
163. Windhand, "Orchard" (2013)
162. Cristina Pato, "Muiñeira for Cristina" (2013)
161. Carly Rae Jepsen, "Run Away With Me" (2015)
160. The Band Perry, "If I Die Young" (2010)
159. Sarah Kirkland Snider, Penelope: "The Lotus Eaters" (2010)
158. Mary Gauthier, "Mercy Now" (2005)
157. Terri Lyne Carrington, "Mosaic Triad" (2011)
156. Julien Baker, "Sprained Ankle" (2015)
155. Mortals, "View From A Tower" (2014)
154. Holly Herndon, "Chorus" (2014)
153. Lily Allen, "Smile" (2006)
152. DJ Sprinkles, "House Music Is Controllable Desire You Can Own" (2008)
151. Fever Ray, "Seven" (2009)
150. Arooj Aftab, "Lullaby" (2015)
149. Sky Ferreira, "Everything Is Embarassing" (2012)
148. Rilo Kiley, "Portions For Foxes" (2004)
147. Imogen Heap, "Hide And Seek" (2005)
146. Metric, "Help I'm Alive" (2008)
145. Nicole Mitchell, "Shiny Divider" (2017)
144. Jamila Woods, "Blk Girl Soldier" (2016)
143. Mala Rodríguez, "Yo Marco El Minuto" (2000)
142. Cooly G (feat. Aaron Carr), "He Said I Said" (2012)
141. Taylor Swift, "You Belong With Me" (2008)
140. Jenny Hval, "That Battle Is Over" (2015)
139. Moor Mother, "Deadbeat Protest" (2016)
138. Micachu & The Shapes, "Golden Phone" (2009)
137. Jazmine Sullivan, "Bust Your Windows" (2008)
136. Mon Laferte, "Pa' Dónde Se Fue" (2017)
135. Big Thief, "Mary" (2017)
134. Maren Morris, "My Church" (2016)
133. Gossip, "Standing In The Way Of Control" (2006)
132. Ciara (ft. Petey Pablo), "Goodies" (2004)
131. Jlin, "Black Origami" (2017)
130. Elizabeth Cook, "Heroin Addict Sister" (2010)
129. Joanna Newsom, "Sapokanikan" (2015)
128. Hop Along, "Tibetan Pop Stars" (2012)
127. Julia Wolfe, Anthracite Fields: "Flowers" (2015)
126. Andra Day, "Rise Up" (2015)
125. Priests, "And Breeding" (2014)
124. Amerie, "1 Thing" (2005)
123. Tegan And Sara, "The Con" (2007)
122. Kali Uchis (ft. Jorja Smith), "Tyrant" (2017)
121. G.L.O.S.S., "G.L.O.S.S. (We're From The Future)" (2015)
120. Miley Cyrus, "Wrecking Ball" (2013)
119. Tanya Tagaq, "Uja" (2014)
118. Big Freedia, "Azz Everywhere" (2010)
117. Jean Grae and Blue Sky Black Death (ft. Chen Lo), "Threats" (2008)
116. First Aid Kit, "My Silver Lining" (2014)
115. The Internet (ft. Kaytranada), "Girl" (2015)
114. Laura Marling, "Rambling Man" (2010)
113. Flor De Toloache, "Dicen" (2014)
112. Estelle (ft. Kanye West), "American Boy" (2008)
111. Mary Halvorson Octet, "Away With You (No. 55)" (2016)
110. Santigold, "L.E.S. Artistes" (2008)
109. Angel Olsen, "Shut Up Kiss Me" (2016)
108. Pistol Annies, "Bad Example" (2011)
107. Gwen Stefani, "Hollaback Girl" (2004)
106. Babymetal, "Gimme Chocolate!!" (2014)
105. Thao & The Get Down Stay Down, "We The Common (For Valerie Bolden)" (2013)
104. Princess Nokia, "Tomboy" (2016)
103. Beyoncé, "Countdown" (2011)
102. Janelle Monáe (ft. Grimes), "Pynk" (2018)
101. Shovels & Rope, "Birmingham" (2012)
100. Maggie Rogers, "Alaska" (2016)
99. Ana Tijoux, "1977" (2009)
98. SOPHIE, "Lemonade" (2014)
97. Ludicra, "Clean White Void" (2010)
96. EMA, "California" (2011)
95. Noura Mint Seymali, "Ghlana" (2016)
94. Eve (ft. Gwen Stefani), "Let Me Blow Ya Mind" (2001)
93. HAIM, "The Wire" (2013)
92. Fea, "Mujer Moderna" (2016)
91. The Moldy Peaches, "Anyone Else But You" (2001)
90. Caroline Shaw, "Partita For 8 Voices" (2012)
89. FKA Twigs, "Two Weeks" (2014)
88. Evanescence, "Bring Me to Life" (2003)
87. Sylvan Esso, "Coffee" (2014)
86. Matana Roberts, "All Is Written" (2015)
85. Ibeyi, "River" (2014)
84. Pink, "Don't Let Me Get Me" (2001)
83. Young M.A., "OOOUUU" (2016)
82. Corinne Bailey Rae, "Put Your Records On" (2006)
81. Jenny Lewis, "Just One of the Guys" (2014)
80. Joanna Newsom, "Peach, Plum, Pear" (2004)
79. Gretchen Wilson, "Redneck Woman" (2004)
78. Natalia Lafourcade, "Hasta La Raíz" (2015)
77. Anohni, "Drone Bomb Me" (2016)
76. Rihanna, "Bitch Better Have My Money" (2015)
75. Jill Scott, "Golden" (2004)
74. Sharon Van Etten, "Every Time The Sun Comes Up" (2014)
73. Icona Pop (ft. Charli XCX), "I Love It" (2012)
72. Regina Spektor, "Us" (2003)
71. India.Arie, "Video" (2001)
70. Blu Cantrell, "Hit 'Em Up Style (Oops!)" (2001)
69. Xenia Rubinos, "Mexican Chef" (2016)
68. Nicki Minaj (ft. Beyoncé), "Feeling Myself" (2014)
67. Grouper, "Heavy Water/I'd Rather Be Sleeping" (2008)
66. Sia, "Chandelier" (2014)
65. Shakira (ft. Wyclef Jean), "Hips Don't Lie" (2006)
64. Waxahatchee, "Bathtub" (2012)
63. Katy Perry, "Teenage Dream" (2010)
62. M.I.A., "Bad Girls" (2012)
61. Broken Social Scene, "Anthems For A Seventeen Year-Old Girl" (2002)
60. Ivy Queen, "Quiero Bailar" (2003)
59. Little Big Town, "Girl Crush" (2014)
58. Adele, "Someone Like You" (2011)
57. Lady Gaga, "Born This Way" (2011)
56. Nelly Furtado, "I'm Like A Bird" (2000)
55. Tune-Yards, "Powa" (2011)
54. Margo Price, "Hands Of Time" (2016)
53. Cecile McLorin Salvant, "Monday" (2015)
52. Vanessa Carlton, "A Thousand Miles" (2002)
51. Feist, "1234" (2007)
50. Downtown Boys, "Monstro" (2015)
49. Robyn, "Dancing On My Own" (2010)
48. Beyoncé (ft. Jay-Z), "Crazy In Love" (2003)
47. Avril Lavigne, "Complicated" (2002)
46. Azealia Banks (ft. Lazy Jay), "212" (2011)
45. Anaïs Mitchell, "Why We Build The Wall" (2010)
44. Lizzo, "Good As Hell" (2016)
43. Taylor Swift, "Blank Space" (2014)
42. Esperanza Spalding, "I Know You Know" (2008)
41. Kelly Clarkson, "Since U Been Gone" (2004)
40. Rihanna (ft. Calvin Harris), "We Found Love" (2011)
39. Valerie June, "Workin' Woman Blues" (2012)
38. St. Vincent, "Cruel" (2011)
37. Paramore, "Misery Business" (2007)
36. Bomba Estéreo, "Soy Yo" (2015)
35. The Knife, "Heartbeats" (2002)
34. Carrie Underwood, "Before He Cheats" (2005)
33. Courtney Barnett, "Avant Gardener" (2013)
32. SZA, "The Weekend" (2017)
31. Against Me!, "Transgender Dysphoria Blues" (2014)
30. Rhiannon Giddens, "At The Purchaser's Option" (2017)
29. Lady Gaga, "Bad Romance" (2009)
28. Norah Jones, "Don't Know Why" (2002)
27. Kesha, "Praying" (2017)
26. Miranda Lambert, "Gunpowder & Lead" (2008)
25. Cardi B, "Bodak Yellow" (2017)
24. Rihanna (ft. Jay-Z), "Umbrella" (2007)
23. Amy Winehouse, "Rehab" (2006)
22. Kacey Musgraves, "Follow Your Arrow" (2013)
21. Carly Rae Jepsen, "Call Me Maybe" (2012)
20. Adele, "Rolling In The Deep" (2010)
19. Beyoncé, "Formation" (2016)
18. Grimes, "Oblivion" (2012)
17. Florence + The Machine, "Dog Days Are Over" (2009)
16. Mitski, "Your Best American Girl" (2016)
15. Nicki Minaj, "Super Bass" (2010)
14. Hurray For The Riff Raff, "Pa'lante" (2017)
13. Lana Del Rey, "Video Games" (2011)
12. Solange, "Cranes In The Sky" (2016)
11. Janelle Monáe (ft. Big Boi), "Tightrope" (2010)
10. Peaches, "F*** The Pain Away" (2000)
9. Brandi Carlile, "The Story" (2007)
8. Alicia Keys, "Fallin'" (2001)
7. Sharon Jones & The Dap-Kings, "100 Days, 100 Nights" (2007)
6. Lorde, "Royals" (2013)
5. Alabama Shakes, "Hold On" (2012)
4. Amy Winehouse, "Back To Black" (2006)
3. Beyoncé, "Single Ladies (Put A Ring On It)" (2008)
2. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, "Maps" (2003)
1. M.I.A., "Paper Planes" (2007)


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