NPR: The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women
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A lot of modern artists took the shaft: Grimes, Julia Holter, Angel Olsen, Warpaint, and in older ones, Cat Power or Neko Case... While writing the list down, I almost thought Joanna Newsom wouldn't make it, until she popped up at #141. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, Miranda Lambert and Adele are here. I'm still not sure we can blame the list for leaning toward the mainstream even though there's room for many major pop acts, as it does feature some punk and alternative acts and does explore a bit beyond the English-speaking world. I dunno.Nick wrote:Not a single album by St. Vincent? Ouch...
Yes and no. It's true that women are still ignored too much on many lists (although their albums are getting more acclaim nowadays; part of the problem was that they didn't get much attention during the so-called golden days of the sixties). The problem of such a list is that it posits women as a specialty group, perhaps as a genre. It makes them once again an Other. I know this list is meant to be positive, but the fact that nobody would ever see a male-only list as necessary shows we haven't got complete equality yet. You mention yourself a lot of artists that deserve an album on the list. There are even more and most of the women that do rank have multiple deserving albums. 150 is really small for such a small group.Pierre wrote:Whatever, it's already cool that such a list exists in the first place.
I see your points and of course I agree. Hopefully the day will come where we'll have lists with a real 50/50 ratio between women and men. And also, I agree 150 is way too short. In the meantime, it's always a good thing to have it so as to balance things out a bit here on AM.Rob wrote:Yes and no. It's true that women are still ignored too much on many lists (although their albums are getting more acclaim nowadays; part of the problem was that they didn't get much attention during the so-called golden days of the sixties). The problem of such a list is that it posits women as a specialty group, perhaps as a genre. It makes them once again an Other. I know this list is meant to be positive, but the fact that nobody would ever see a male-only list as necessary shows we haven't got complete equality yet. You mention yourself a lot of artists that deserve an album on the list. There are even more and most of the women that do rank have multiple deserving albums. 150 is really small for such a small group.Pierre wrote:Whatever, it's already cool that such a list exists in the first place.
Not that the albums selected are bad choices.
Taylor Swift's Red and 1989 are two of my favorite albums of all time. I think Taylor deserves a spot on here. However, I'm not so sure that Fearless should have been the one to represent Taylor, though. Just because she's not indie doesn't mean she's bad.Pierre wrote:A lot of modern artists took the shaft: Grimes, Julia Holter, Angel Olsen, Warpaint, and in older ones, Cat Power or Neko Case... While writing the list down, I almost thought Joanna Newsom wouldn't make it, until she popped up at #141. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, Miranda Lambert and Adele are here.
Yeah, I only meant that the list tended to lean toward the mainstream for the last decade, even though there were some more alternative stuff before, and I found it odd. I didn't want to criticize Taylor. In fact, for the mainstream, I regret Carly Rae Jepsen and Rihanna's absence.babydoll wrote:Taylor Swift's Red and 1989 are two of my favorite albums of all time. I think Taylor deserves a spot on here. However, I'm not so sure that Fearless should have been the one to represent Taylor, though. Just because she's not indie doesn't mean she's bad.Pierre wrote:A lot of modern artists took the shaft: Grimes, Julia Holter, Angel Olsen, Warpaint, and in older ones, Cat Power or Neko Case... While writing the list down, I almost thought Joanna Newsom wouldn't make it, until she popped up at #141. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, Miranda Lambert and Adele are here.
Could be a good idea for a tournament here, actuallyPierre wrote:Yeah, I only meant that the list tended to lean toward the mainstream for the last decade, even though there were some more alternative stuff before, and I found it odd. I didn't want to criticize Taylor. In fact, for the mainstream, I regret Carly Rae Jepsen and Rihanna's absence.babydoll wrote:Taylor Swift's Red and 1989 are two of my favorite albums of all time. I think Taylor deserves a spot on here. However, I'm not so sure that Fearless should have been the one to represent Taylor, though. Just because she's not indie doesn't mean she's bad.Pierre wrote:A lot of modern artists took the shaft: Grimes, Julia Holter, Angel Olsen, Warpaint, and in older ones, Cat Power or Neko Case... While writing the list down, I almost thought Joanna Newsom wouldn't make it, until she popped up at #141. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, Miranda Lambert and Adele are here.
Now that I've seen this list, I'm left hungry for more. It would have been easy to push the concept way beyond the #150 mark.
Or a good old poll, but not so soon after the "general" albums one.StevieFan13 wrote:Could be a good idea for a tournament here, actuallyPierre wrote:Yeah, I only meant that the list tended to lean toward the mainstream for the last decade, even though there were some more alternative stuff before, and I found it odd. I didn't want to criticize Taylor. In fact, for the mainstream, I regret Carly Rae Jepsen and Rihanna's absence.babydoll wrote: Taylor Swift's Red and 1989 are two of my favorite albums of all time. I think Taylor deserves a spot on here. However, I'm not so sure that Fearless should have been the one to represent Taylor, though. Just because she's not indie doesn't mean she's bad.
Now that I've seen this list, I'm left hungry for more. It would have been easy to push the concept way beyond the #150 mark.
Rolling Stone June 22, 2012: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... e-20120622prosecutorgodot wrote:Relatively dull list here, but definitely DEFINITELY we need more of these kinds of lists!
I believe this one is already on the site, and another similar list is set to be added for the next update (from Flavorwire, I believe).carlos74 wrote:Rolling Stone June 22, 2012: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists ... e-20120622prosecutorgodot wrote:Relatively dull list here, but definitely DEFINITELY we need more of these kinds of lists!
1. Aretha Franklin: I Never Loved A Man The Way I Loved You
2. Joni Mitchell: Blue
3. Dusty Springfield: Dusty in Memphis
4. Fleetwood Mac: Rumours
5. Patti Smith: Horses
6. Adele: 21
7. Missy Elliott: Under Construction
8. Blondie: Parallel Lines
9. The Supremes: Anthology
10. Bikini Kill: The Singles
11. Lady Gaga: Born This Way
12. Janis Joplin: Pearl
13. Mary J Blige: My Life
14. The Pretenders: The Pretenders
15. Patsy Cline: The Patsy Cline Collection
16. Labelle: Nightbirds
17. Sleater-Kinney: The Hot Rock
18. Madonna: Like A Prayer
19. Joan Jett: Bad Reputation
20. Etta James: At Last
21. Carole King: Tapestry
22. Liz Phair: Exile in Guyville
23. Donna Summers: Bad Girls
24. Hole: Live Through This
25. Heart: Little Queen
26. Janet Jackson: Rythym Nation
27. Dionne Warwick: Presenting…
28. Yeah Yeah Yeahs: It’s Blitz!
29. M.I.A.: Kala
30. Alicia Keys: As I Am
31. PJ Harvey: Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea
32. Dolly Parton: Best of Dolly Parton
33. Irma Thomas: Soul Queen of New Orleans
34. Go-Go’s: Beauty and the Beat
35. The Ronnettes: The Best of the Ronnettes
36. X-Ray Spex: Germ Free Adolescents
37. Beyonce: 4
38. Bjork: Post
39. Fiona Apple: Extraordinary Machine
40. Yoko Ono: Walking on Thin Ice
41. Cyndi Lauper: She’s So Unusual
42. Linda Ronstadt: Heart Like a Wheel
43. Lauryn Hill: The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill
44. Sioxsie and the Banshees: Once Upon a Time
45. Taylor Swift: Speak Now
46. Salt N Peppa: Hot, Cool and Vicious
47. Lucinda Williams: Car Wheels On A Gravel Road
48. Bonnie Raitt: Give It Up
49. The Breeders: Last Splash
50. Alanis Morissette: Jagged Little Pill
Hi, I used the search engine but I did not find Rolling Stone's list. Flavorwire's list did not know it, thanks.StevieFan13 wrote: I believe this one is already on the site, and another similar list is set to be added for the next update (from Flavorwire, I believe).
I wonder how this one ended up on here given the band is 2/3 male.Pierre wrote: 79 | Portishead | Dummy | 1994
I'm all for increased popularity of female artists, but why should there be a 50/50 ratio between men and women? In genres like rap, punk, electronic, jazz, metal, etc. there simply aren't enough female artists who've made music worthy of being included in all-time lists (though women have contributed some important albums in each of those genres).Pierre wrote:I see your points and of course I agree. Hopefully the day will come where we'll have lists with a real 50/50 ratio between women and men. And also, I agree 150 is way too short. In the meantime, it's always a good thing to have it so as to balance things out a bit here on AM.Rob wrote:Yes and no. It's true that women are still ignored too much on many lists (although their albums are getting more acclaim nowadays; part of the problem was that they didn't get much attention during the so-called golden days of the sixties). The problem of such a list is that it posits women as a specialty group, perhaps as a genre. It makes them once again an Other. I know this list is meant to be positive, but the fact that nobody would ever see a male-only list as necessary shows we haven't got complete equality yet. You mention yourself a lot of artists that deserve an album on the list. There are even more and most of the women that do rank have multiple deserving albums. 150 is really small for such a small group.Pierre wrote:Whatever, it's already cool that such a list exists in the first place.
Not that the albums selected are bad choices.
I always go by the perhaps idealistic assumption that we believe some genres have less great female artists because they have in average less media coverage than male artists, and for reasons that can lead to endless discussions less commercial success.Jackson wrote:I'm all for increased popularity of female artists, but why should there be a 50/50 ratio between men and women? In genres like rap, punk, electronic, jazz, metal, etc. there simply aren't enough female artists who've made music worthy of being included in all-time lists (though women have contributed some important albums in each of those genres).Pierre wrote:I see your points and of course I agree. Hopefully the day will come where we'll have lists with a real 50/50 ratio between women and men. And also, I agree 150 is way too short. In the meantime, it's always a good thing to have it so as to balance things out a bit here on AM.Rob wrote:
Yes and no. It's true that women are still ignored too much on many lists (although their albums are getting more acclaim nowadays; part of the problem was that they didn't get much attention during the so-called golden days of the sixties). The problem of such a list is that it posits women as a specialty group, perhaps as a genre. It makes them once again an Other. I know this list is meant to be positive, but the fact that nobody would ever see a male-only list as necessary shows we haven't got complete equality yet. You mention yourself a lot of artists that deserve an album on the list. There are even more and most of the women that do rank have multiple deserving albums. 150 is really small for such a small group.
Not that the albums selected are bad choices.
Can we just say that I totally called it?StevieFan13 wrote:Could be a good idea for a tournament here, actuallyPierre wrote:Yeah, I only meant that the list tended to lean toward the mainstream for the last decade, even though there were some more alternative stuff before, and I found it odd. I didn't want to criticize Taylor. In fact, for the mainstream, I regret Carly Rae Jepsen and Rihanna's absence.babydoll wrote: Taylor Swift's Red and 1989 are two of my favorite albums of all time. I think Taylor deserves a spot on here. However, I'm not so sure that Fearless should have been the one to represent Taylor, though. Just because she's not indie doesn't mean she's bad.
Now that I've seen this list, I'm left hungry for more. It would have been easy to push the concept way beyond the #150 mark.