Latin American & Spanish language lists index

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:54 pm

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:01 pm

Hey Henrik, do I transcribe artist, decade, more than 10 years, and EOY lists in a single spreadsheet, or just some of those categories? If it's in a single spreadsheet, I can distinguish each category.

The previous spreadsheet has the lists marked with the green ‘at’ sign. If you agree, I'm adding those marked with yellow. Please tell me what you think of those marked with red.

Another thing: I also add the Indiespot list? It has both Spanish and international artists.

And one last thing: I add the artists by last name first, but I have doubts about the names of the bands. I think that if you have some already listed in the database, it is with the article in Spanish or Portuguese at the beginning ("Las", "Los", "El", "La", "Os", etc..).
If so, it may be appropriate to keep them that way, to avoid duplication of registers, or that they do not match. Or we would have to amend those names in the database as well. (Something in which I can also help.) What do you think?

Post by **Henrik** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:58 pm

Hey Henrik, do I transcribe artist, decade, more than 10 years, and EOY lists in a single spreadsheet, or just some of those categories? If it's in a single spreadsheet, I can distinguish each category.
The best for me would be if you add everything in one sheet, so that I can easily see all cases where a song appear on two lists.

The previous spreadsheet has the lists marked with the green ‘at’ sign. If you agree, I'm adding those marked with yellow. Please tell me what you think of those marked with red.
That's probably fine. I don't have time to check individual lists now (I will get back to you soon about this), so could you tell me what's the difference between yellow and red. Your own assessment or have I said yes/no to any of them?

Another thing: I also add the Indiespot list? It has both Spanish and international artists.
I have already added it to another spreadsheet so don't add it.

And one last thing: I add the artists by last name first, but I have doubts about the names of the bands. I think that if you have some already listed in the database, it is with the article in Spanish or Portuguese at the beginning ("Las", "Los", "El", "La", "Os", etc..).
If so, it may be appropriate to keep them that way, to avoid duplication of registers, or that they do not match. Or we would have to amend those names in the database as well. (Something in which I can also help.) What do you think?
Actually, I no longer need the artists listed by last name first, as I created a spreadsheet to convert the names to firstname first. I have attached the spreadsheet here, and you can use it yourself for the entries that are already in the spreadsheet if you want. This would solve the las-los-issue, wouldn't it? Don't hesitate to ask if you don't understand what to do.

Thank you so much, Blanco!!!

Post by **Henrik** » Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:57 pm

Blanco, I had a closer look now and I think you were spot on with the colours. The yellow ones should be added. I suppose you were hoping for some red ones too, but I'm afraid it looks to me that they don't meet the criteria.

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:32 pm

Here it is. Later I'll update the colors of the overall list.

Post by **Henrik** » Sun May 25, 2014 10:45 pm

Blanco - or anyone who think he can answer - I would like to know if you think these songs, that are sung in English, were taken into consideration for the Latin-oriented lists.

Perez Prado - Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White
Pérez Prado - Patricia
Los Bravos - Black is Black
Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 - The Fool on the Hill
Baccara - Yes Sir, I Can Boogie
Sepultura - Roots Bloody Roots
DJ Marky & XRS - LK
CSS - Music Is My Hot Hot Sex
CSS - Left Behind
Russian Red - Cigarettes
Bigott - She Is My Man
Delorean - Seasun
Matias Aguayo - Rollerskate
Delorean - Real Love
Delorean - Stay Close

Here are the lists I'm planning to include:

Rolling Stone (Spain) - Las 200 mejores canciones del Pop-Rock español (2006)
Al Borde - 500 canciones del Rock Iberoamericano (2006)
These lists include "Black is Black"

Club Fonograma - Best Songs of the Decade (2000's)
This list includes Bigott's "She Is My Man"

These songs seem to be exceptions though. Were they included because the artists have many other songs in Spanish? Or did they really allow English songs, like the ones I listed? What about instrumental songs?

E! - Top 20 de las mejores canciones del rock en español (2011)
MTV & Rolling Stone - 100 canciones del Rock argentino (2002)
Rock.com.ar - The 100 best songs of Argentine rock (2005)
VH1 Latinoamérica (Norte) - Las 100 más grandiosas canciones de los años ochenta en español (2007)
VH1 Latinoamérica (Sur) - Las 100 más grandiosas canciones de los años ochenta en español (2007)
VH1 Latinoamérica (Norte) - Las 100 + grandiosas canciones de los años noventa en español (2008)
VH1 Latinoamérica (Sur) - Las 100 + grandiosas canciones de los años noventa en español (2008)
Rolling Stone (Argentina) - 50 canciones de la década del 2000
50×50 Paseo del Rock Mexicano - Las 50 Canciones Más Representativas Del Rock Mexicano (2006)
La Tercera - La Mejor Canción Chilena (2013)

I don't think these lists included any songs in English, so it seems that they used language as inclusion criterion. Am I right then that songs in Portuguese were excluded as well? And again, what about instrumental songs by artists from Spanish-speaking countries?

Post by **Henrik** » Tue May 27, 2014 9:45 pm

Yohoo!

Blanco? Honorio? Otisredding? Miguel? ...

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Wed May 28, 2014 6:06 am

Henrik wrote:Blanco - or anyone who think he can answer - I would like to know if you think these songs, that are sung in English, were taken into consideration for the Latin-oriented lists.

Perez Prado - Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White No
Pérez Prado - Patricia No
Los Bravos - Black is Black Yes
Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 - The Fool on the Hill No
Baccara - Yes Sir, I Can Boogie No
Sepultura - Roots Bloody Roots Maybe
DJ Marky & XRS - LK No
CSS - Music Is My Hot Hot Sex No
CSS - Left Behind No
Russian Red - Cigarettes No
Bigott - She Is My Man Yes
Delorean - Seasun Yes
Matias Aguayo - Rollerskate Yes
Delorean - Real Love Yes
Delorean - Stay Close Yes

In the same way that the lists in English that are self-called "the best of all time" but only include regional and culturally similar music, the lists in spanish that claim to be "the best of Latin America" and things like that, tend to exclude music in portuguese (So no Sergio Mendes, DJ Marky or CSS).

Also, there are Latin-american music lists that excluded songs for two main reasons:
1. Despite being Latino, they are heard more (Or at least they are more appreciated) in English-speaking countries than in their home countries. (Not necessarily for the language) So they appear in foreign lists, but not in Latin lists. (So no Baccara, CSS or Russian Red)
2. Though they meet the "criteria", this lists do not cover lots of musical genres, so they tend to exclude traditional or regional music and they just use the more "universal" genres, such as rock (So no Pérez Prado).

And I do not think language is a criterion for inclusion in lists. There are bands from Spanish speaking countries that only play music in English, or that play in the two languages, and they appear in Latin lists. In these countries we hear music in both languages almost equally. (although most of the music in English is foreign, of course.) So, here, there is not a lot of difference. Rather, the difference has been in the international market, because the English-speaking countries do not tend to like music in Spanish. So if you speak Spanish and want to be heard internationally, you have to die in a plane crash along with Buddy Holly and The Big Bopper, or you have to sing in English. [Hello John Talabot!] So yeah, it is true that there are not many lists with bands that sing in English, but this is not because the Spanish language as a criterion, it's because of the simple fact that there are not many latin songs sung in English. (Therefore, Los Bravos, Bigott, Delorean, and that song from Matías Aguayo are considered.)

That said, I think the instrumental songs are considered for inclusion in the same way as any other latin song. An example is Austin TV, which has only instrumental music. Or DapuntoBeat in the first half of their discography.

I do not know if I'm being clear. Any questions, ask me again and I will try to be more clear.

And well, all this is just my opinion based on my experience. I'd like to hear if anyone thinks differently, but broadly speaking, I think this brief explanation is correct.

Post by **Henrik** » Wed May 28, 2014 11:31 am

Thanks Blanco! I think that's as clear as it can be.

Otisredding · Post by **Otisredding** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:01 am

Hola Blanco

No acabo de entender la pregunta de Henrik, sobre todo cuando leo tu respuesta.

¿Podrías aclararme qué quiere Henrik? Lo digo porque posiblemente yo podría ayudar.

Gracias

Post by **Henrik** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:19 am

Otis, for every list I need to know the "frame", from which the songs on the list were taken. The frame could be 2013, The Beatles, Sweden or all time. Songs outside the frame should not suffer from not being on a list, so I need to "blank" them in my spreadsheet.

For these lists I wasn't sure exactly was the frame was. Spanish language? Anything from Spanish-speaking countries? Portuguese also included?

Anyway, as I said I think that Blanco's answer was as good as any.

Otisredding · Post by **Otisredding** » Thu May 29, 2014 8:49 am

Blanco wrote: Russian Red - Cigarettes No
Bigott - She Is My Man Yes

Ok Henrik

Blanco gives to Russian Red and Bigott a different "deal", but I think:

This is pop music, made by Spanish, XXI century, sung in English.

The only difference is that Bigott is a man (ugly) and Russian Red is a woman (beautiful).

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Sat May 31, 2014 1:58 am

Otisredding wrote:
Blanco wrote: Russian Red - Cigarettes No
Bigott - She Is My Man Yes
Ok Henrik
Blanco gives to Russian Red and Bigott a different "deal", but I think:
This is pop music, made by Spanish, XXI century, sung in English.
The only difference is that Bigott is a man (ugly) and Russian Red is a woman (beautiful).

Quizá en estos dos casos particulares, ayudaría saber en cuales listas aparece cada canción, porque aunque sus origenes son los mismos, creo que sus audiencias (y por lo tanto las listas en las que aparecen) son algo distintas. ¿Russian Red aparece en listas españolas?
Oh, y por cierto, a veces cuando digo "latinoamérica" realmente quiero decir "Latinoamérica y España". Lo siento.

Perhaps in these two particular cases, it would help to know in which lists each song appears, because although its origins are the same, I believe their audiences (and therefore the lists that include them) are somewhat different. Russian Red appears in Spanish lists?
Oh, and by the way, sometimes when I say "Latin America", I really mean "Latin America and Spain." Sorry.

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:28 pm

At least this list is missing (I think):

* Rolling Stone - Spain (2010): Los 50 mejores discos del rock español:
http://rollingstone.es/listas/los-50-me ... k-espanol/

addseo2015 · Post by **addseo2015** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:22 am

Russian Red aparece en listas españolas?
gclub

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:28 am

addseo2015 wrote:Russian Red aparece en listas españolas?
gclub

Hasta ahora sólo fue mencionada en la lista de las 1000 mejores canciones del siglo XXI de Indiespot.

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:01 pm

Blanco, I'm doing a run-through all the lists that were posted on the new forum (yes, I'm currently feeling crazy) and I noticed this list of the 50 greatest Colombian songs:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1602

Why didn't you add it to the above list? (BTW, you should update it like I did with the French lists so Henrik knows which lists remain to be added)

bootsy · Post by **bootsy** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:11 am

This probably doesn't count but I did find this list on billboards site.

http://www.billboard.com/photos/6686047 ... 50-years/2

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:55 pm

Pierre wrote:Blanco, I'm doing a run-through all the lists that were posted on the new forum (yes, I'm currently feeling crazy) and I noticed this list of the 50 greatest Colombian songs:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1602

Why didn't you add it to the above list? (BTW, you should update it like I did with the French lists so Henrik knows which lists remain to be added)

Oh, thanks Pierre. Probably I forgot to add it. Do you know if it is the only one missing?

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 6:56 pm

bootsy wrote:This probably doesn't count but I did find this list on billboards site.

http://www.billboard.com/photos/6686047 ... 50-years/2

Looks eligible to me. Henrik?

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:12 pm

Blanco wrote:
Pierre wrote:Blanco, I'm doing a run-through all the lists that were posted on the new forum (yes, I'm currently feeling crazy) and I noticed this list of the 50 greatest Colombian songs:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1602

Why didn't you add it to the above list? (BTW, you should update it like I did with the French lists so Henrik knows which lists remain to be added)
Oh, thanks Pierre. Probably I forgot to add it. Do you know if it is the only one missing?

I think so, I could not say I'm 100% sure as I didn't really check all your posts (as I assumed you did your job correctly until I found the Colombian list

). They are around pages 11-12 on this board, and there are also Latino lists by a guy named santacosta, if you wish to double-check.

Blanco wrote:
bootsy wrote:This probably doesn't count but I did find this list on billboards site.

http://www.billboard.com/photos/6686047 ... 50-years/2
Looks eligible to me. Henrik?

Is it... absolutely necessary to include a list featuring Julio Iglesias?

(To note, Julio is an epitome of tacky crooning from a French perspective, since he made himself known to us through some hits in French. One of such, "Je n'ai pas changé", was the subject of a parody in the popular French comedy film "Papy fait de la résistance").

Post by **Henrik** » Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:20 pm

Blanco wrote:
bootsy wrote:This probably doesn't count but I did find this list on billboards site.

http://www.billboard.com/photos/6686047 ... 50-years/2
Looks eligible to me. Henrik?

If Latin is a genre it is not eligible. If it's a restriction to certain countries, then it is.

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 5:21 pm

Pierre wrote:I think so, I could not say I'm 100% sure as I didn't really check all your posts (as I assumed you did your job correctly until I found the Colombian list ).

Yeah, I had also thought that.

Pierre wrote:Is it... absolutely necessary to include a list featuring Julio Iglesias?

Julio Iglesias is "ok" compared with some other artists that appear on the list. And I say "artists" in the broad and generic sense of the word.

Henrik wrote:If Latin is a genre it is not eligible. If it's a restriction to certain countries, then it is.

Yeah, it's not a genre. Actually, it should never be a musical genre. It would be equally absurd if I said that there is a genre called "European music".

EmilienDelRey · Post by **EmilienDelRey** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:28 pm

Here is a new list:

*Great Brazilian Music/Philip Jandovsky - A selection of great albums of MPB
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3811

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:27 am

Must be added

All albums and singles inducted on the Hall of Fame of the Latin Grammy Awards

https://www.latingrammy.com/en/latin-gr ... ll-of-fame
https://www.latingrammy.com/en/node/21336
https://www.latingrammy.com/en/node/21337

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:40 am

LOS 50 DISCOS DE LOS AÑOS 2010-2014 SEGUN ENCUESTA EN BLOG ROCK EN LAS AMERICAS (made by many music critics and journalists from the Americas)
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 0603017959

50
"Bailar en la cueva" (2014)
Jorge Drexler

49
"América" (2012)
La Perla Irregular

48
"Cachanilla y flor de azar" (2013)
Juan Cirerol

47
"Ofrenda al Mictlán" (2011)
Juan Cirerol

46
"Mujer divina: Homenaje a Agustin Lara"(2012)
Natalia Lafourcade

45
"Conducción" (2014)
Ases Falsos

44
"Mientras tú dormías" (2010)
Carla Morrison

43
"La bala" (2011)
Ana Tijoux

42
"Multi_viral" (2014)
Calle 13

41
"Amapola del 66" (2010)
Divididos

40
"MTV Unplugged: Música de fondo" (2011)
Zoé

39
"Odio Paris" (2011)
Odio Paris

38
"PEGASVS" (2012)
PEGASVS

37
"Victoria mística" (2013)
Triángulo de Amor Bizarro

36
"La Joven Dolores" (2011)
Christina Rosenvinge

35
"Político" (2012)
Instituto Mexicano del Sonido

34
"Monte EP" (2011)
Monte

33
"El pozo" (2011)
Mima

32
"Hecho a mano" (2012)
Monsieur Periné

31
"Nuestra" (2010)
La Vida Bohème

30
"Desesperanza" (2012)
Meridian Brothers

29
"La lucha constante" (2011)
Algodón Egipcio

28
"Los momentos" (2013)
Julieta Venegas

27
"Diamantes" (2012)
El Columpio Asesino

26
"Agent Cooper" (2014)
Russian Red

25
"Terror Amor" (2014)
AJ Dávila

24
"Mapas" (2011)
Vetusta Morla

23
"Astro" (2011)
Astro

22
"Déjenme llorar" (2012)
Carla Morrison

21
"Club negro" (2013)
María y José

20
"Haciendo leña" (2012)
Juan Cirerol

19
"Tan Bajo" (2012)
Dávila 666

18
"Otra era" (2014)
Javiera Mena

17
"Ondatrópica" (2012)
Ondatrópica

16
"Vengo" (2014)
Ana Tijoux

15
"Wed 21" (2013)
Juana Molina

14
"Rebeldes" (2011)
Alex Anwandter

13
"Pop negro" (2010)
El Guincho

12
"Año santo" (2010)
Triángulo de Amor Bizarro

11
"Futura vía" (2011)
Bam Bam

10
"El objeto antes llamado disco" (2012)
Café Tacuba

09
"GP" (2012)
Gepe

08
"Entren los que quieran" (2010)
Calle 13

07
"Música, gramática, gimnasia" (2010)
Dënver

06
"Será" (2013)
La Vida Bohème

05
"Audiovisión" (2010)
Gepe

04
"El juidero" (2010)
Rita Indiana y los Misterios

03
"Juventud americana" (2012)
Ases Falsos

02
"Mena" (2010)
Javiera Mena

01
"La dinastía Scorpio" (2012)
El Mató A Un Policía Motorizado

Rock en las Americas - 2010-2014: Critics List (made by many music critics and journalists from the Americas) [Songs] (2014)

75
‘No llora’
El Cuarteto de Nos

74
‘Animal’
AJ Dávila

73
‘Tus Amigos’
Los Punsetes

72
‘Sabotaje’
Torreblanca

71
‘ABC’
La División del Norte

70
‘You may kiss the bride’
Descartes a Kant

69
‘Desclasificado’
Ana Tijoux

68
‘Escapemos’
Las Diferencias

67
‘Reina japonesa’
Fernando Milagros

66
‘Mi bandera’
Whitest Taino Alive

65
‘Ferocísimo’
Juana Molina

64
‘Crema dulce’
Juan Cirerol

63
‘El juidero’
Rita Indiana y los Misterios

62
‘Calma pueblo’
Calle 13

61
‘Fuerza especial’
Ases Falsos

60
‘Da pa lo do’
Rita Indiana y los Misterios

59
‘La trilla’
Füete Billete

58
‘Soñé (MTV Unplugged)’
Zoé

57
‘Los burócratas del amor’
Babasónicos

56
‘Colombo’
Astro

55
‘Yoni B’
El Mató A Un Policía Motorizado

54
‘How long’
Lisandro Aristimuño con Boom Boom Kid

53
‘La hora de volve’
Rita Indiana y los Misterios

52
‘Ula ula’
Illya Kuryaki & The Valderramas

51
‘La fuerza’
Kokoshca

50
‘Vengo’
Ana Tijoux

49
‘Viene de mi’
La Yegros

48
‘Otra era’
Javiera Mena

47
‘Amapola del 66’
Divididos

46
‘Rey de reyes’
María y José

45
‘Meta y dinero’
Los Blenders

44
‘Hey Soledad’
Juan Cirerol

43
‘Pásame a buca'’
Rita Indiana y Los Misterios

42
‘Revista de gimnasia'’
Dënver

41
‘Tristeza'’
Empress Of

40
‘La sinceridad del cosmos’
Ases Falsos

39
‘Vacaciones en el más allá’
Pedropiedra

38
‘Maestro distorsión’
Astro

37
‘10 AM’
Zoé

36
‘Olita de altamar’
Café Tacvba

35
‘1977’
Ana Tijoux

34
‘Eras’
Juana Molina

33
‘Roma’
Torreblanca

32
‘De este lado del camino’
Café Tacvba

31
‘Alfabeto’
Gepe

30
‘Estrellas místicas’
Triángulo de Amor Bizarro

29
‘Abismático’
Bam Bam

28
‘Cuando nadie pone un disco’
Odio París

27
‘Mujeres bellas y fuertes’
El Mató A Un Policía Motorizado

26
‘Por la ventana’
Gepe

25
‘Tormenta’
Alex Anwandter

24
‘Esa nena nunca regresó’
Dávila 666

23
‘Espada’
Javiera Mena

22
‘En la naturaleza (4-3-2-1-0)’
Gepe con Pedropiedra

21
‘El alma y el cuerpo’
Bomba Estéreo

20
‘Tatuaje’
Alex Anwandter

19
‘No Es Que No Te Quiera’
Hello Seahorse!

18
‘Bailando solo’
Los Bunkers

17
‘¿Cómo puedes vivir contigo mismo?’
Alex Anwandter

16
‘Compartir’
Carla Morrison

15
‘Maldita dulzura’
Vetusta Morla con Carla Morrison

14
‘Estudiar y Trabajar’
Ases Falsos

13
‘Shock’
Ana Tijoux

12
‘Radio capital’
La Vida Boheme

11
‘Lo que quieras’
Dënver

10
‘Aprovéchate’
Café Tacuba

09
‘Luz de piedra de luna’
Javiera mena

08
‘Los adolescentes’
Dënver

07
‘De la monarquía a la criptocracia’
Triángulo de Amor Bizarro

06
‘Hasta la verdad’
Javiera Mena

05
‘Toro’
El Columpio Asesino

04
‘Ciervos’
Astro

03
‘Más o menos bien’
El Mató A Un Policía Motorizado

02
‘Latinoamérica’
Calle 13 con Toto La Momposina, María Rita y Susana Baca

01
‘Bombay’
El Guincho

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:49 am

It's sad no love for salsa here, so Herencia Latina, one of the best especialized websites of Salsa publish this
http://www.herencialatina.com/Nelson_Ro ... top500.htm

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:00 am

The 50 Greatest Songs of Latin Music according to Billboard Magazine Critics
http://www.billboard.com/articles/event ... f-all-time

panam · Post by **panam** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:33 pm

Henrik wrote:
Blanco wrote:
bootsy wrote:This probably doesn't count but I did find this list on billboards site.

http://www.billboard.com/photos/6686047 ... 50-years/2
Looks eligible to me. Henrik?
If Latin is a genre it is not eligible. If it's a restriction to certain countries, then it is.

So, it's elligible

panam · Post by **panam** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:38 pm

Latin Music USA Documental (WGHB/BBC 2009 Production) Songs:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/latinmusicusa/# ... /songs/ep1

Post by **Henrik** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 8:00 pm

Hi panam!

I'm sorry for not having responded to your posts! There have been so many other lists I've been working on lately. I will definitely look at these lists as well.

Post by **Henrik** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:16 pm

The Billboard albums and songs lists are both eligible.

The Latin Grammy Hall of Fame selections from 2001 are already included on AM I think, but I need to add the 2007 and 2013 selections as well.

The salsa list is not eligible, I think. I'd love more (if there's any at the moment) salsa on AM, but this is a genre list by a single writer. I don't think I ever include such lists.

I don't think the WGHB/BBC list is eligiblie either. It looks like a list of songs that were played, not a best of list of any kind. Correct me if I'm wrong.

These Rock en las Americas lists are eligible:
http://rockenlasamericas.blogspot.se/20 ... da_18.html
http://rockenlasamericas.blogspot.se/20 ... izada.html

Two more Rock en las Americas that might be added...
It was discussed some time ago whether this list should be included. See old discussion here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1889
I also found this list of songs from 1998-2013: http://rockenlasamericas.blogspot.se/20 ... iones.html

Let me know if I have forgotten to comment on any of the posts above.

panam · Post by **panam** » Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:12 pm

I confirm everything you said before. The WGHB/BCC list includes the songs that are part of the documental but also some extra highlights called "Explore The Music". Probably those ones could be eligible.

About the Rock en las Americas lists, I wrote on the discussion post.

I will look for more salsa lists, there must be something eligible right there

Cheers!

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 8:01 pm

I'm struggling with which artists/albums/songs that are Latin. I want to decide this to "blank" all other albums or songs in my spreadsheets. Often Latin music is used as an umbrella term for musical genres that were created by Hispanic Americans. But most lists are wider than that, including music from Spain, sometimes Brazil and for example Soda Stereo who basically played rock in Spanish. Counting all music from Latin America and Spain that is instrumental or sung in Spanish usually comes fairly close, but I doubt that a song like Matias Aguayo's "Minimal" would be considered for a Latin list. Rock bands of today like Triángulo de Amor Bizarro are perhaps not as often seen as Latin either.

Any thoughts?

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:26 pm

Well, one things is Latin Music as music in Spanish (or related to Latin languages) and another is Latin Music as music genres originated in Latin America and Spain.

Soda Stereo or Triángulo de Amor Bizarro are Spanish language bands strongly influenced by contemporary non Latin music (as the second meaning of the term). Although because of identity or identification they're mostly mentioned as Latin music (as the first meaning of the term).

Bands like Cafe Tacvba or Fabulosos Cadillacs were part of the Latin Alternative movement (and they combine rock or pop music with Latin music (as the second meaning of the term). They belong to an hybrid status where both meanings of Latin music are ok for them. But the same is for some Latin pop acts (like Shakira) where the Latin influence is ambiguous (except for the cliche identification of Latin persona), although they bring Latin music (second term) in their biggest hits.

And some other artists (salsa as Ruben Blades, flamenco as Camaron or son cubano as Buena Vista Social Club) where the Latin music tag is clear. Also include for Latin folk acts (Nueva Cancion) or Latin ballads (Cancion Melodica)

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:33 am

I also think it depends on whether you approach the "Latin" tag from an ethnic or a cultural viewpoint. I think Western critics usually consider "Latin" music that showcases some influence from genres originating from Spanish-speaking countries, while Latin critics will more probably approach it from an ethnic viewpoint. I've seen 2Pac discussed in Latin music contexts, although he is a very American act.

Also, the association of the Mano Negra and Manu Chao with the Latin scene makes sense from an esthetic viewpoint, but from a French viewpoint, they're very French in their approach, as they fit perfectly in the French alternative rock scene from the late 80s.

Otherwise the Latin tag usually seems to exclude music from Lusophone countries. At least that's what it seems to me.

panam · Post by **panam** » Sun Aug 28, 2016 2:21 pm

You're right but one thing is to be part of the scene and another make music of a particular genre. For example, Senegalese band Africando, they're not part of salsa scene but clearly they play salsa music.

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:20 am

Not exactly a Spanish or Latin list but was made only by musicians from the Spanish language world
http://elpais.com/diario/2009/03/22/eps ... 50215.html

Post by **Henrik** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:36 am

panam wrote:Not exactly a Spanish or Latin list but was made only by musicians from the Spanish language world
http://elpais.com/diario/2009/03/22/eps ... 50215.html

Interesting list! Very unusual mix. It will definitely give a well deserved boost to Spanish artists. And Brel!!

panam · Post by **panam** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:39 am

This one needs to be reevaluated. I could help
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1264

panam · Post by **panam** » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:46 am

Best Cuban albums by year according to cubaencuentro.com

2010
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/cultura/ar ... 0-i-253476
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/cultura/ar ... -ii-253499

2012
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/cultura/ar ... 012-282731

2013
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/cultura/ar ... 103-316340

2015
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/cultura/ar ... 015-324468

panam · Post by **panam** » Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:19 am

panam wrote:I confirm everything you said before. The WGHB/BCC list includes the songs that are part of the documental but also some extra highlights called "Explore The Music". Probably those ones could be eligible.

Henrik, you never confirmed about that, if it is eligible I could post the songs.

Post by **Henrik** » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:48 am

panam wrote:
panam wrote:I confirm everything you said before. The WGHB/BCC list includes the songs that are part of the documental but also some extra highlights called "Explore The Music". Probably those ones could be eligible.

Henrik, you never confirmed about that, if it is eligible I could post the songs.

Ok, go for it! Thanks!

panam · Post by **panam** » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:14 pm

Henrik wrote:
panam wrote:
panam wrote:I confirm everything you said before. The WGHB/BCC list includes the songs that are part of the documental but also some extra highlights called "Explore The Music". Probably those ones could be eligible.

Henrik, you never confirmed about that, if it is eligible I could post the songs.
Ok, go for it! Thanks!

Henrik !!!! Done!

LATIN MUSIC USA; ALL SONGS (INCLUDED EXPLORE THE MUSIC)

Santana
Soul Sacrifice

Santana
Incident at Neshabur

Quartet de Clarinets de Barcelona
Rhapsody in Blue

Sidney Bechet
You Can't Live In Harlem

Chick Webb
Stompin' at the Savoy

Don Aspiazu and his Orchestra with Antonio Machin
El Manisero (The Peanut Vendor)

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Yambu

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Nague

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Tanga

Xavier Cugat
Jungle Rhumba

Candido Camero
Manteca (Conga arrangement)

Dizzy Gillespie
Salt Peanuts

Dizzy Gillespie
Cubana Bop

Dizzy Gillespie Orchestra
Manteca

Machito and His Orchestra
Mamboscope

Tito Rodríguez
Yamboro

Tito Rodríguez
Ya Lo Puedes Decir

Tito Puente
Oye Como Va

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Mambo Inn

Patti Page
How Much Is That Doggie In The Window?

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Cuban Fantasy

Xavier Cugat
Cuban Mambo

Ed Sullivan Show Orchestra
After Supper

Cast of West Side Story
America

Cast of West Side Story
Mambo

Cast of West Side Story
Prologue

Vaughan Monro
They Were Doing The Mambo

Pérez Prado
Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White

Desi Arnaz & Lucille Ball
That Means I Love You

The Beatles
A Hard Day's Night

The Beatles
Twist and Shout

The Drifters
Save the Last Dance for Me

The Kingsmen
Louie Louie

The Beatles
Day Tripper

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Freezelandia

Machito & His Afro Cubans
Mambo Mucho Mambo

Celia Cruz
Caramelos

The Young Rascals
Good Lovin'

Gábor Szabó
Gypsy Queen

Grateful Dead
Playing in the Band

Cliff Martinez
No Swinging the Club in the Car

Santana
Evil Ways

Mongo Santamaria
Watermelon Man

Los Lobos
La Bamba

Los Tigres del Norte
Vivan Los Mojados

Selena
Amor Prohibido

Los Tigres del Norte
Jefe de Jefes

Marty Robbins
A White Sport Coat

Ritchie Valens
Ooh! My Head

Ritchie Valens
La Bamba

Ritchie Valens
Donna

The Premiers
Farmer John

Cannibal & The Headhunters
Land of 1000 Dances

Sam the Sham & The Pharaohs
Wooly Bully

Little Joe & the Latinaires
Knock on Wood

Grateful Dead
Alligator

Santana
Jingo

Tierra
Barrio Suite

Santana
Gitano

Los Pingüinos del Norte
Mexico Americano

Little Joe y la Familia
Cumbia de la Medianoche

Little Joe y la Familia
Las Nubes

Santiago Jiménez, Jr.
La Cenita Song

Flaco and Max Jimenez
Together Again

Freddy Fender
Before the Next Teardrop Falls

Freddy Fender
Wasted Days and Wasted Nights

Freddy Fender
Since I Met You Baby

Freddy Fender
When It Rains It Really Pours

Linda Ronstadt
Los Laureles

Linda Ronstadt
Cancion Mixteca

Linda Ronstadt
I'll Be Your Baby Tonight

Linda Ronstadt
You're No Good

Ismael Anorve
La Malaguena Currena

Lydia Mendoza
Tango Negro

Selena
Feelings

Los Dinos
Mercy, Mercy

Selena
Si Tu Te vas

Selena
Yo Fui Aquella

Selena
I Will Survive

Selena
Funkytown

Selena
Cien Años

Selena
Dame Un Beso

Los Tigres del Norte
De Paisano A Paisano

Los Tigres del Norte
Contrabando y Traicion

Flaco Jimenez
Ay Te Dejo San Antonio

Yomo Toro
Que Bonita Bandera

Yomo Toro and Fania All-Stars
Quitate Tu

Johnny Pacheco
Ponte Duro

Ray Barretto and Fania All-Stars
Cocinando

Ismael Miranda and Fania All-Stars
Lamento de un Guajiro

Cheo Feliciano and Fania All-Stars
Anacaona

Larry Harlow Orchestra
La Cartera

Celia Cruz
El Cumbanchero

Celia Cruz
Me Voy A Pinar del Rio

Celia Cruz with Fania All-Stars
A La Buena Si

Fania All-Stars
Coro Miyare

Fania All-Stars
Congo Bongo

Rubén Blades
El Cazangero

Rubén Blades
El Numero Seis

Willie Colón & Rubén Blades
Pedro Navaja

Celia Cruz and Fania All-Stars
Bemba Colora

Willie Colón
La Murga Panameña

Héctor Lavoe and Fania All-Stars
Mi Gente

Tito Puente
Oye Como Va

Noro Morales
Vamos Ya

Johnny Colón
Boogaloo Blues

Joe Bataan
Too Much Lovin'

Joe Bataan
Subway Joe

Pete Rodríguez y su Conjunto
I Like It (I Like It Like That)

Johnny Pacheco
Soy de Batabano

Willie Colón
Che Che Cole

Johnny Pacheco
Sabroso Como El Guarapo

Isaac Hayes
Theme From Shaft

Isaac Hayes
The End Theme

Willie Colón
El Malo

Willie Colón & Héctor Lavoe
Esta Navidad

Willie Colón & Héctor Lavoe
Todo Tiene Su Final

Héctor Lavoe
El Cantante

Willie Colón
Willie Baby

Héctor Lavoe
Noche de Ronda

Willie Colón
Willie Whopper

Johnny Colón
Boogaloo Blues

Héctor Lavoe
Mi Gente

Fania All-Stars
Mi Debilidad

Celia Cruz with Fania All-Stars
Quimbara

Fania All-Stars
Guantanamera

Curtis Mayfield
Junkie Chase

Bobby Rodriguez
Numero Seis

Fania All-Stars
En Orbita

Fania All-Stars
Estrellas de Fania

Fania All-Stars
Guajeo

Manu Dibango
Soul Makussa

Mon Rivera
Lluvia con Nieve

Ruben Blades
Mack The Knife

Ruben Blades with Willie Colon
El cazanguero

Ruben Blades with Willie Colon
María Lionza

Smokey Robinson' The Miracles
Mickey's Monkey

Cheo Feliciano with Fania All Stars
El ratón

Ricky Martin
Cup of Life / Copa de la Vida

Miami Sound Machine
Conga

Miguelito Cuni y Septeto with Marcelino Guerra
Convergencia

Beny Moré
Preferi Perderte

Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine
Feelings

Miami Sound Machine
Dingui-La-Banque

Miami Sound Machine
Otra Vez

Miami Sound Machine
Dr Beat

Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine
Get On Your Feet

Gloria Estefan and Miami Sound Machine
Rhythm is Gonna Get You

Menudo
Hold Me

Ricky Martin
Maria

Gloria Estefan
Oye

Shakira
Estoy Aquí

Shakira
Ojos Asi

Shakira
Whenever, Wherever / Suerte

Ricky Martin
Livin La Vida Loca" (English & Spanish version)

Ricky Martin
She Bangs

Jennifer Lopez
Feelin So Good

India and Marc Anthony
Vivir Lo Nuestro

Marc Anthony
I Need To Know

Shakira and Wyclef Jean
Hips Dont Lie

Juanes
A Dios le Pido

Pitbull
The Anthem

Pitbull
Fuego

Daddy Yankee
Gasolina

Daddy Yankee featuring Snoop Dogg
Gangsta Zone

Tego Calderón
Cosa Buena

Shabba Ranks
Dem Bow

Will Smith
Miami

Miami Sound Machine
Words Get in The Way

Masters At Work featuing India
I Can't Get No Sleep

El General
Muevelo

Afro Cuban All Stars
Fiesta de Rumba

Andrés Berlanga
Las Quejas de Zenaida

Arcaño y Sus Maravillas
Atomo Musical

Arcaño y Sus Maravillas
Mambo

Arsenio Rodriguez
Como Trajo La Yuca

Arsenio Rodriguez
El Reloj de la Pastora

Arsenio Rodriguez
Kila Quique y Chocolate

Arsenio Rodriguez
Nadie Mas Que Tu

Arsenio Rodriguez
Todos Seguimos La Conga

Aventura
Obsesión

Banda El Recodo
Como el Primer Día

Bebo & Cigala
Lágrimas Negras

Beny Moré
Francisco Guayabal

Beto Villa
Madre Mía

Beto Villa
Ni Por Favor

Big Pun
Still Not a Player

Billo's Caracas Boys
Compadre Pedro Juan

Blas Duran
Equivocada

Bobby Sanabria
El Aché de Sanabria en Moderación

Cal Tjader
Soul Sauce

Cal Tjader & Eddie Palmieri
Picadillo

Candido Romero
Stompin' at the Savoy

Carlos Oliva y Los Sobrinos del Juez
Glorioso San Antonio

Carlos Vives
La Gota Fría

Chano Pozo
Conga de los Dandys

Chano Pozo & Dizzy Gillespie
Cubana-Be, Cubana-Bop

Chico Alvarez
Va'l Carretero

Comparsa Musicians
Conga Santiaguera

Conjunto Bernal
Mi Unico Camino

Cumbiamba Eneyé
Encarnación

Daddy Yankee
Rompe

DLG
Juliana

Don Chezina y Playero
Playero Hits 3

Don Omar
Dale Don Dale

Eddie Palmieri
Bilongo

El Chicano
Viva Tirado

El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico
Timbalero

El Gran Combo de Puerto Rico
Un verano en Nueva York

Elvis Crespo
Suavemente

Steve Jordan
Las Coronelas

European
Let's Get Married Polka

Felix Baloy
Ven A Bailar El Cha-Cha-Chá

Gloria Estefan
Mi Tierra

Gloria Estefan
Tradición

Grupo Afro Boricua
El Conde de Loiza

Hansel y Raul
Soy

Hermanos Ayala
Bomberos Eh

Ibrahim Ferrer
Aquellos Ojos Verdes

Ibrahim Ferrer
Caché Danzón

Isidro Lopez
Amor de Todos

Isidro Lopez
Cuatro Vidas

Ismael Miranda
Rumba, rumba

Jenni Rivera
De Contrabando

Jesus Alemany
Descarga de Hoy

Joe Arroyo
Rebelión

Joe Bataan
Chickie's Trombone

Joe Cuba Sextet
Bang Bang

Johnny Otis
Willie and the Hand Five

Johnny Ventura
Filete

José Feliciano
Sabor a Mi

Juan Luis Guerra
Burbujas de Amor

Juanes
La Camisa Negra

Julieta Venegas
De Mis Pasos

Kurtis Blow
The Breaks

La Lupe
Guaguancó Bembé

La Mafia
Como Me Duele El Amor

Lalo Rodriguez
Ven Devorame Otra Vez

Larry Harlow
Aguántate

Lebrón Brothers
Al Impulso

Lila Downs
La Cumbia de la Mole

Lila Downs
Paloma Negra

Lola Beltrán
Ay Jalisco No te Rajes

Los Alegres de Teran
Toma de Guadalajara

Los Fabulosos Cadillacs
Vasos Vacíos

Los Lobos
Anselma

Los Lobos
Mas y Mas

Los Pinguinos
Corrido de Cesar Chavez

Los Super Seven
El Canoero

Los Tucanes de Tijuana
Parranda y Parranda

Marc Anthony
Lamento Borincano

Marcial Reyes & Pleneros de Bayamón
Como Suena Mi Conjunto

Mazz
Lo Voy a Hacer Por Ti

Mellow Man Ace
Mentirosa

Miami Sound Machine
Renacer

Michael Salgado
Sin Ella

Miguelito Cunin con Chapottin y sus Estrellas
Que Se Vaya

Mongo Santamaría y Poncho Sanchez
Corrido Historia y Muerto del Gral. Francisco

Moré, Rubi y Vivo
Villa

Muñequitos de Matanzas
Oyelos de Nuevo

Narciso Martinez
Muchachos Alegres

Orishas
Represent

Orquesta America de Ninon Mondejar
La Engañadora

Orquesta Aragón
El bodeguero

Orquesta Folklórica Nacional de Cuba
Las alturas de Simpson

Orquesta Guayacán
Oiga, mire, vea

Pedro Infante
Ella

Plena Libre
Cantaré a Puerto Rico

Poncho Sanchez
El Conguero

Ramon Ayala y los Bravos del Norte
Cruz de Palo

Ray Barretto
Descarga Criolla

Richard Berry
Louie Louie

Richie Ray & Bobby Cruz
Richie's Jala Jala

Richie Ray & Bobby Cruz
Si Te Contara

Roberto Roena
Yo Tenía Una Mujer

Rubén Blades
Plástico

Rubén Gonzalez
Rico Tumbao

Rubén Gonzalez
Tres Lindas Cubanas

Santana feat Maná
Corazón Espinado

Santiago Jimenez Jr
Cada Vez Que Cae La Tarde

Selena
No Me Queda Más

Selena
Techno Cumbia

Septeto Nacional de Ignacio Piñeiro
Echale Salsita

Shakira
Ciega, Sordomuda

Soda Stereo
De Música Ligera

Stan Getz & Joao Gilberto
The Girl From Ipanema

Thee Midniters
Whittier Blvd.

Tito Puente
Lullaby of Birdland

Tito Puente
Mambo Gozón

Tito Puente
Ran Kan Kan

Tito Rodriguez
El Divorcio

Trío Los Panchos
Contigo

Trío Los Panchos
Quizás, Quizás, Quizás

Trío Maravilla
La Plena de San Antón

Trío Matamoros
El Son de la Loma

Vicente Fernandez
El Rey

Vicente Fernandez
Guadalajara

Wilfrido Vargas
Abusadora

Willie Colón
Abuelita

Willie Colón & Hector Lavoe
Pa' Colombia

Willie Colón & Hector Lavoe
Vive Tu Vida Contento

Willy Chirino
Yo No Soy Un Tipo Tipico

Willy Chirino & Celia Cruz
Cuba Que Lindos Son Tus Paisajes

Wisin & Yandel
Rakata

Yoskar Sarante
La Noche

Post by **Henrik** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 6:30 pm

panam · Post by **panam** » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:43 pm

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:36 pm

Henrik wrote:panam, thanks but what I meant was to include only the "Explore the music" songs. Those could be seen as recommended/chosen songs from each Latin music style, while the songs from the show aren't. For example, clip 7 of the first episode begins with songs by The Beatles while the interviewed person says "One of the worst things that could happen to Latin music was The Beatles".

The problem here it's that "Explore the music" didn't list other songs that appear in the clips. I haven't checked if every song in that list appear also in the other lists, but i feel that "Explore the music" it's something like "all the other songs we didn't show in the clips". Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:07 am

panam wrote:Best Cuban albums by year according to cubaencuentro.com

Here is 2011:
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/cultura/ar ... nos-272677

panam · Post by **panam** » Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:23 pm

Blanco wrote:
Henrik wrote:panam, thanks but what I meant was to include only the "Explore the music" songs. Those could be seen as recommended/chosen songs from each Latin music style, while the songs from the show aren't. For example, clip 7 of the first episode begins with songs by The Beatles while the interviewed person says "One of the worst things that could happen to Latin music was The Beatles".
The problem here it's that "Explore the music" didn't list other songs that appear in the clips. I haven't checked if every song in that list appear also in the other lists, but i feel that "Explore the music" it's something like "all the other songs we didn't show in the clips". Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Some songs appears both on the clips and "Explore the music" but just a few. Most are additional songs

Post by **Henrik** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:11 am

panam wrote:
Blanco wrote:
Henrik wrote:panam, thanks but what I meant was to include only the "Explore the music" songs. Those could be seen as recommended/chosen songs from each Latin music style, while the songs from the show aren't. For example, clip 7 of the first episode begins with songs by The Beatles while the interviewed person says "One of the worst things that could happen to Latin music was The Beatles".
The problem here it's that "Explore the music" didn't list other songs that appear in the clips. I haven't checked if every song in that list appear also in the other lists, but i feel that "Explore the music" it's something like "all the other songs we didn't show in the clips". Please correct me if i'm wrong.
Some songs appears both on the clips and "Explore the music" but just a few. Most are additional songs

So what should we do?