Pitchfork (US) - The 200 Best Albums of the 2010s

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Post by Jimoincolor » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:22 pm

Blonde at number 1. Wow. Amazing choice.

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Post by Kingoftonga » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:39 pm

I guess they're over that 9.2 rating they gave Benji five years ago?

I'll have to dig into this more thoroughly, but my first positive reaction is that I'm glad Joanna Newsom made the Top 20, and my first negative reaction is that elevating two Beyonce albums over Lemonade seems like trademark Pitchfork contrarianism.

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Post by Sunwoo1213 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:49 pm

No Swans?
No James Blake?
3 and Beyonce over Lemonade?

What the...

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Post by PlasticRam » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:50 pm

Kingoftonga wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:39 pm
I guess they're over that 9.2 rating they gave Benji five years ago?
He had a beef with a writer of Pitchfork if I remember correctly.
I feel like that

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Post by charliepanayi » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:54 pm

Sunwoo1213 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:49 pm
No Swans?

What the...
I think we know why Swans aren't in it...

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Post by Sunwoo1213 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:22 pm

charliepanayi wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:54 pm
Sunwoo1213 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:49 pm
No Swans?

What the...
I think we know why Swans aren't in it...
Can you tell me why? Not trying to offend you.. I'm just really curious

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Post by Nick » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:31 pm

Sunwoo1213 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:22 pm
charliepanayi wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:54 pm
Sunwoo1213 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:49 pm
No Swans?

What the...
I think we know why Swans aren't in it...
Can you tell me why? Not trying to offend you.. I'm just really curious
Michael Gira had a rape allegation come out against him a couple years ago.

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Post by Harold » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:33 pm

Sunwoo1213 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:22 pm
charliepanayi wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:54 pm
I think we know why Swans aren't in it...
Can you tell me why? Not trying to offend you.. I'm just really curious
Presumably this is referring to the rape allegation made against Michael Gira a few years ago by another artist. I didn't think the story was given enough credence at the time to impact things like this years later, but who knows.

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Post by Sunwoo1213 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:41 pm

I didn't knew there was a rape allegation with Michael Gira.

Did it went to court? or just allegation was made and gira denied.. and forgotten?

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Post by charliepanayi » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:44 pm

Sunwoo1213 wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:41 pm
I didn't knew there was a rape allegation with Michael Gira.

Did it went to court? or just allegation was made and gira denied.. and forgotten?
The allegation was made, Gira denied it and that's where it's been left. Either way, there's no love-in for Swans in the music press these days (Stereogum hasn't even mentioned their new album at all from what I can tell - which is funny because they didn't have a problem with coverong Freddie Gibbs and Tool's new albums this year)

Anyway, I thought The Age of Adz not being on this list at all was a real surprise and RTJ2 all the way down at 131

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Post by Moonbeam » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:33 pm

Surprised they are so low on Janelle.

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Post by Live in Phoenix » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:38 pm

Well, I was off about Kanye getting "punished." I had been starting to think that MBDTF would be banished to some #4-6 spot. (But Swans guy got punished? Obviously I don't condone rape, if that's even what occurred; but does everyone then have to walk around playing pretend that the artist never existed, that Pitchfork never gave him numerous 9 ratings, etc.? Did that really make the mess go away?)

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Post by Cold Butterfly » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:00 pm

When Pitchfork's songs list came out yesterday, i gotta say I was really satisfied. The modern-day manifestation of Pitchfork had always reminded me of the kids who took political science in college just because they read the news every day, but had no intellectual knowledge whatsoever. However the song choices were excellent, and somewhat consistent with their image. And the write-ups were great also. Reading the blurbs for "Alright", "Oblivion", and "Dancing On My Own" even served as a reminder to me on why I loved those songs - they were perfect explanations for why those songs were important, influential, and just simply great works of art.

Pitchfork and the word "pretentious" have always been synonymous, way back to the days when Brent Dicrescenzo and Ryan Schreiber were raising hell in the reviews section. Whether it was their excessive thrashing of now-classic albums such as Discovery and Elephant (which they later re-evaluated as great albums years later!), or their relentless pandering of third-rate indie acts such as 12 Rods and Walt Mink (while acting like they were the greatest thing to ever happen to music!), Pitchfork always was the most basic and irritable representation of music snobs who loved expressing their phony "knowledge".

Once the indie revival ended and every music publication stopped worshipping acts such as Animal Collective, Sigur Ros, and Modest Mouse, you would've expected Pitchfork to fold up and decline, or ride the coattails of whatever era popular music was headed next. In my opinion, the 2010s have been the greatest era ever for popular music. That might sound like a stretch, but i'm 100% serious. The music created in this decade has served as some of the most inspiring in the history of popular music, and maybe i'm a bit biased since i've grown up in this decade, but the 2010s really represents the peak of the art form to me. And even if you don't agree with that, there should be no argument that it's been one hell of an era for what could be considered "pop". Hip Hop and R&B dominated the decade, and with the growing political upheaval in America blazing as the decade closed, both genres only became more heated, more dangerous, risky, and angry. Whether it was Kendrick Lamar rapping his ass off on To Pimp A Butterfly, Beyonce screeching out "Freedom!" on Lemonade, or Janelle Monae proclaiming that she was an American in an era where it's so damn hard to love your country on Dirty Computer, Hip Hop and R&B really entered its golden age, an era where both genres became the figurehead of boundary-pushing art in any kind of music. Oh, and mainstream pop music became acceptable again after the snobbery of the indie revival. That's right guys, artists like Ariana Grande who are on TV every night are now acceptable! Could you ever imagine Pitchfork giving this kind of attention to Britney Spears?

Theoretically, if any of us had a time machine and went back to 2009, and went up to a concertgoer at a Dirty Projectors concert and said "your pretentious quote on quote indie music will die out and popular music in the 2010s will surpass most pop music that has come and gone", he probably would've laughed at you and told you to go back to your listening of The Black Eyed Peas. "Stick to your local top 40 radio, you bum!". (He also might have sent an email to Ryan Schreiber that may have sounded something like this - "you won't believe what this guy was saying to me while David Longstreth was singing his beautiful advanced indie music! Pop music disgusts me!!). You probably would expect that Ryan Schreiber would go along with that, and continue his relentless pandering of indie music, no matter how much the musical tide changed. After all, that's what Jann Wenner did when punk became a thing! But no! Pitchfork opted to stay relevant!!! Oh my god, is that what I think it is, they're attempting to stay important!!! It all started when they gave My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy a 10, which was actually deserved, considering that the album was a classic. But the first notice in that their pretentions were still alive was when the review written was just a TMZ-style report of Kanye's celebrity.

Pitchfork never really had that many good writers, but that's not really what i'm upset about. What i'm upset about is this albums list, which is the culmination of Pitchfork's phoniness. One only hopes that when the atrocity that is Conde Nast puts this website behind a paywall, this website will finally sink and decline. That might sound harsh, but i'm serious. A music publication hasn't been this thoughtless and reckless while simultaneously being influential since Rolling Stone's heyday. It's so hard to take Pitchfork seriously anymore, but seeing that they are still one of popular music's trendsetters, you still have to look sadly. The other option is The Needle Drop's annoying worshipping of "experimental" acts such as Swans and Daughters (i'm pretty sure all the indieheads who stopped reading Pitchfork after the MBDTF review are now the ones who are claiming that You Won't Get What You Wan't is the greatest thing to ever happen to music). Or better yet, you could just look for yourself! Oh man, that would be so great! Sadly, it doesn't matter if every music listener had an individual mind and taste, while the record-buying public has an equal say, the critical community still has a say in what albums will or won't be acclaimed, and in what albums will be remembered as classics forty years from now, and what albums won't be recognized as such.

Now, on the list, which is the reason for writing this essay (i'm supposed to be studying for multiple tests right now, but hey man, I love music!). Blonde at #1 is fine, and i've been saying for a while now that it deserves to be more acclaimed than channel ORANGE. Believe it or not, most of the top ten is fine, even if i'm salty that all the anticipation of my all-time #1 favorite album To Pimp A Butterfly topping the list was wrong. I love MBDTF and Beyonce's self-titled album as well. Those are two classics which also have served as a soundtrack to the years i've lived on this Earth. My issue begins with the Fiona Apple album at #5, which I can somewhat respect because plenty of people like it, but personally i've never liked The Idler Wheel, and I feel like it was just put there to serve as a reminder as "hey, white people still made good music in this decade!". I mean shit, aren't the Vampire Weekend and Robyn albums good enough? (I actually love both of them). I mean shit, aren't Pitchfork the apogee of "woke culture"? In all seriousness, i'm not accusing Pitchfork of racism because that's wrong, i'm just saying that when you look at all the fantastic albums that came out in this album, Fiona Apple doesn't really come to mind for me. But many people think the album is excellent, so I won't complain.

It's the rest of this list which really bugs me, in terms of choices. The Lana Del Rey album which has been out for like three weeks is already receiving high positions on many decade-end lists for albums, and that's really annoying. How can an album which has been out for forty days already be so important? Like Christ, at least wait until December if you want to make that call. Their 2017 AOTY, DAMN., is stuck in the 50s on this list, presumably to wipe out worries that their EOD list would serve as a K-Dot haven (a la concerns about Needle Drop circa 2016). Their 2014 AOTY, Run The Jewels 2, is in the 110s. Pitchfork has always been inconsistent, but we're talking about two fantastic albums which got shitted on just for fuck's sake. And the overloaded and pompous Have One On Me (which seems like an album Pitchfork would have worshipped in like 2005) is apparently better than good kid, m.A.A.d city and Lemonade. Halcyon Digest, which was third on Pitchfork's half-decade list, now is stuck at #29. And that album is fantastic! Also, i love Puberty 2, but is it really better than Be The Cowboy? Is Strange Mercy really better than 2014's St. Vincent? Is Summertime '06 really better than Big Fish Theory?

Actually, although there's choices which I don't like, there are many that I love. Art Angels, Take Care, Melodrama, Yeezus, and of course good kid, m.A.A.d city in the 11-20 range is fantastic. The high places for albums which I thought would suffer in the EOD lists, such as In Colour, Cupid Shuffle, Whack World, Replica, Knock Knock, The Oox, and XXX are fantastic. So kudos for them for that.

Now here comes the part which is the reason for writing this essay which will probably come off as everything I seem to hate - it's the write-ups. They're some of the worst journalism I have ever seen in a music publication, or any journalism for that matter. The write-up for Blonde literally made me wanna punch my computer. I'm not even kidding. Blonde is a beautiful album, one that represents the collective attitude of our nation right now, but one which can resonate with our everyday personal lives as well. The writer on this made a huge stretch to make this album sound like a modern-day version of The Communist Manifesto. Like seriously. He went from talking about the album's atmosphere to call for revolution of some sort. As someone who wears his radical left beliefs on his sleeve, and who is all in for the musical-political connection and theory, it pleases me to read a writer who seems to have so much ambition. But when someone writes something with this kind of recklessness and blatant lack of topical sense, it really appalls me. It makes for terrible journalism, but hey it's Pitchfork i'm writing about here!

The same lazy writing appears in the write-ups for Dark Twisted Fantasy, The Idler Wheel..., Modern Vampires Of The City, and countless more which are just gooey all over (my friend Goo says P.U.!...Ahh, a band which Pitchfork would've canonized back in 2002). I'm serious, it pained me to read a lot of these write-ups. Which is why it's pointless to even go into any more of that.

Actually, i've just realized that i've spend nearly an hour writing this, so i'm gonna stop because things like this aren't worth my time. Pitchfork isn't a publication that's worth any music fan's time, for that matter. This list is okay, but the writing is terrible. That's all I need to say.

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Post by Nick » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:26 pm

Moonbeam wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:33 pm
Surprised they are so low on Janelle.
Janelle ticks all the boxes for Pitchfork acclaim but somehow they’re kinda lukewarm on her. Only one of her albums is in this list and zero of her songs were on their songs list. It’s weird.

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Post by acroamor » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:23 pm

no W H O K I L L by tUnE-yArDs, even though it was in their top 10 for its year, very disappointing.

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Post by mowino » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:48 pm

No Big Boi?


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Post by Chris K. » Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:30 pm

I'm not at all surprised by the fact that I'm not that into this list, despite the fact that I do appreciate many of the albums towards the top. I used to have a love/hate relationship with P4. I think now it's just leaning towards hate. The list just feels incredibly arbitrary (especially in the context of their past lists/ratings). The placement for Lonerism (their #7 for 2010-2014) is laughable, for instance.They're allowed to change their minds, but this seems like more of a calculated and politically-motivated re-calibration. It's hard to take seriously.

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Post by panam » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:31 pm

1. Frank Ocean Blonde (2016)
2. Kanye West My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)
3. Beyoncé Beyoncé (2013)
4. Kendrick Lamar To Pimp a Butterfly (2015)
5. Fiona Apple The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than the Driver of the Screw and Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do (2012)
6. Solange A Seat at the Table (2016)
7. Vampire Weekend Modern Vampires of the City (2013)
8. Robyn Body Talk (2010)
9. D’Angelo & the Vanguard Black Messiah (2014)
10. Frank Ocean Channel Orange (2012)
11. Grimes Art Angels (2015)
12. Rihanna ANTI (2016)
13. Drake Take Care (2011)
14. Lorde Melodrama (2017)
15. Kanye West Yeezus (2013)
16. Joanna Newsom Have One on Me (2010)
17. Sufjan Stevens Carrie & Lowell (2015)
18. Kendrick Lamar good kid, m.A.A.d. city (2012)
19. Lana Del Rey Norman Fucking Rockwell! (2019)
20. DJ Rashad Double Cup (2013)
21. Beach House Teen Dream (2010)
22. Destroyer Kaputt (2011)
23. Kacey Musgraves Golden Hour (2018)
24. SZA CTRL (2017)
25. Jamie xx In Colour (2015)
26. Angel Olsen Burn Your Fire for No Witness (2014)
27. Earl Sweatshirt Some Rap Songs (2018)
28. FKA twigs LP1 (2014)
29. Deerhunter Halcyon Digest (2010)
30. Mitski Puberty 2 (2016)
31. Beyoncé 4 (2011)
32. Bon Iver Bon Iver (2011)
33. Big Thief U.F.O.F. (2019)
34. Vince Staples Summertime ’06 (2015)
35. Blood Orange Cupid Deluxe (2013)
36. Rosalía El Mal Querer (2018)
37. David Bowie Blackstar (2016)
38. Tierra Whack Whack World (2018)
39. Bill Callahan Apocalypse (2011)
40. Charli XCX Pop 2 (2017)
41. Beyoncé Lemonade (2016)
42. Erykah Badu New Amerykah Part Two: Return of the Ankh (2010)
43. Sky Ferreira Night Time, My Time (2013)
44. A Tribe Called Quest We got it from Here... Thank You 4 Your service (2016)
45. Mount Eerie A Crow Looked at Me (2017)
46. The Knife Shaking the Habitual (2013)
47. Carly Rae Jepsen E•MO•TION (2015)
48. ANOHNI Hopelessness (2016)
49. Oneohtrix Point Never Replica (2011)
50. Grimes Visions (2012)

51. DJ Koze Knock Knock (2018)
52. LCD Soundsystem This Is Happening (2010)
53. Jlin Black Origami (2017)
54. Young Thug Barter 6 (2015)
55. St. Vincent Strange Mercy (2011)
56. Björk Vulnicura (2015)
57. Kendrick Lamar DAMN. (2017)
58. Kamasi Washington The Epic (2015)
59. Taylor Swift Red (2012)
60. King Krule The OOZ (2017)
61. Arca Arca (2017)
62. Grouper Ruins (2014)
63. Danny Brown XXX (2011)
64. Mitski Be the Cowboy (2018)
65. Future Dirty Sprite 2 (2015)
66. Fever Ray Plunge (2017)
67. Courtney Barnett Sometimes I Sit and Think, and Sometimes I Just Sit (2015)
68. Flying Lotus Cosmogramma (2010)
69. Drake If You’re Reading This, It’s Too Late (2015)
70. Perfume Genius No Shape (2017)
71. Robyn Honey (2018)
72. Father John Misty I Love You, Honeybear (2015)
73. Cardi B Invasion of Privacy (2018)
74. SOPHIE OIL OF EVERY PEARL’s UN-INSIDES (2018)
75. The Weeknd House of Balloons (2011)
76. Arcade Fire The Suburbs (2010)
77. Four Tet There Is Love in You (2010)
78. Kurt Vile Smoke Ring for My Halo (2011)
79. Tame Impala Currents (2015)
80. Aphex Twin Syro (2014)
81. Solange When I Get Home (2019)
82. Girls Father, Son, Holy Ghost (2011)
83. Burial Rival Dealer EP (2013)
84. Chance the Rapper Acid Rap (2013)
85. Jessica Pratt On Your Own Love Again (2015)
86. Haim Days Are Gone (2013)
87. Rae Sremmurd SremmLife (2015)
88. Jenny Hval Apocalypse, girl (2015)
89. Caribou Our Love (2014)
90. Joyce Manor Never Hungover Again (2014)
91. Bon Iver 22, A Million (2016)
92. JAY-Z / Kanye West Watch the Throne (2011)
93. Tirzah Devotion (2018)
94. Vampire Weekend Contra (2010)
95. Jai Paul Leak 04-13 (Bait Ones) (2019)
96. Low Double Negative (2018)
97. The War on Drugs Lost in the Dream (2014)
98. Todd Terje It’s Album Time (2014)
99. Bad Bunny X 100PRE (2018)
100. Ariana Grande Sweetener (2018)

101. Chromatics Kill for Love (2012)
102. Jeremih Late Nights: The Album (2015)
103. Helado Negro This Is How You Smile (2019)
104. Waxahatchee Cerulean Salt (2013)
105. Disclosure Settle (2013)
106. Moses Sumney Aromanticism (2017)
107. Dirty Projectors Swing Lo Magellan (2012)
108. Kaytranada 99.9% (2016)
109. Julia Holter Aviary (2018)
110. Waka Flocka Flame Flockaveli (2010)
111. EMA Past Life Martyred Saints (2011)
112. Daft Punk Random Access Memories (2013)
113. Japandroids Celebration Rock (2012)
114. Sampha Process (2017)
115. U.S. Girls In a Poem Unlimited (2018)
116. Janelle Monáe The ArchAndroid (2010)
117. Death Grips The Money Store (2012)
118. Leonard Cohen You Want It Darker (2016)
119. Girlpool Before the World Was Big (2015)
120. Tyler, the Creator Flower Boy (2017)
121. The Hotelier Home, Like Noplace Is There (2014)
122. Snail Mail Lush (2018)
123. Deafheaven Sunbather (2013)
124. Real Estate Days (2011)
125. Yves Tumor Safe in the Hands of Love (2018)
126. Panda Bear Tomboy (2011)
127. Car Seat Headrest Teens of Denial (2016)
128. Radiohead A Moon Shaped Pool (2016)
129. Various Artists Bangs and Works Vol. 1: A Chicago Footwork Compilation (2010)
130. Tame Impala Lonerism (2012)
131. Run the Jewels Run the Jewels 2 (2014)
132. Amen Dunes Freedom (2018)
133. Frankie Cosmos Zentropy (2014)
134. M83 Hurry Up, We’re Dreaming (2011)
135. Fleet Foxes Helplessness Blues (2011)
136. Tim Hecker Ravedeath, 1972 (2011)
137. A$AP Rocky LIVE.LOVE.A$AP (2011)
138. Alabama Shakes Sound & Color (2015)
139. Emeralds Does It Look Like I’m Here? (2010)
140. Parquet Courts Sunbathing Animal (2014)
141. Rick Ross Rich Forever (2012)
142. Fennesz Agora (2019)
143. Weyes Blood Titanic Rising (2019)
144. PJ Harvey Let England Shake (2011)
145. Chief Keef Finally Rich (2012)
146. Sheer Mag Compilation (2017)
147. The National High Violet (2010)
148. Nicolas Jaar Space Is Only Noise (2011)
149. Mac DeMarco 2 (2012)
150. Playboi Carti Playboi Carti (2017)

151. Lady Gaga The Fame Monster (2009)
152. Arctic Monkeys AM (2013)
153. Purple Mountains Purple Mountains (2019)
154. Mica Levi Under the Skin OST (2014)
155. 21 Savage / Metro Boomin Savage Mode (2016)
156. Jenny Lewis The Voyager (2014)
157. The 1975 A Brief Inquiry Into Online Relationships (2018)
158. Sleigh Bells Treats (2010)
159. Pallbearer Foundations of Burden (2014)
160. Noname Room 25 (2018)
161. The 1975 I like it when you sleep… (2016)
162. Sturgill Simpson Metamodern Sounds in Country Music (2014)
163. Meek Mill Dreamchasers 2 (2012)
164. Hop Along Painted Shut (2015)
165. Jay Som Everybody Works (2017)
166. Nicki Minaj The Pinkprint (2014)
167. (Sandy) Alex G DSU (2014)
168. Julianna Barwick The Magic Place (2011)
169. Paramore After Laughter (2017)
170. Skee Mask Compro (2018)
171. JPEGMAFIA Veteran (2018)
172. Popcaan Where We Come From (2014)
173. Hurray for the Riff Raff Small Town Heroes (2014)
174. Sharon Van Etten Are We There (2014)
175. Jessie Ware Devotion (2012)
176. Gil Scott-Heron I’m New Here (2010)
177. Margo Price All American Made (2017)
178. Savages Silence Yourself (2013)
179. Shabazz Palaces Black Up (2011)
180. Chvrches The Bones of What You Believe (2013)
181. Jamila Woods LEGACY! LEGACY! (2019)
182. G.L.O.S.S. Trans Day of Revenge (2016)
183. Elysia Crampton American Drift (2015)
184. Soccer Mommy Clean (2018)
185. Hailu Mergia Lala Belu (2018)
186. Various Artists Mono No Aware (2017)
187. Iceage Beyondless (2018)
188. Pusha-T Daytona (2018)
189. Miranda Lambert The Weight of These Wings (2016)
190. Huerco S. For Those of You Who Have Never (and Also Those Who Have) (2016)
191. Kate Bush 50 Words for Snow (2011)
192. Kelela Cut 4 Me (2013)
193. Lil Peep Hellboy (2016)
194. Titus Andronicus The Monitor (2010)
195. Downtown Boys Full Communism (2015)
196. Portal Vexovoid (2013)
197. Fatima Al Qadiri Genre-Specific Xperience (2011)
198. Jean Grae / Quelle Chris Everything’s Fine (2018)
199. Wu Lyf Go Tell Fire to the Mountain (2011)
200. Ratking So It Goes (2014)

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Post by Illiniq » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:58 am

As per usual, P4K's album list is more on point than their always wretched best songs lists. If it was me, I'd probably flip their bottom 100 with their top 100 and then start minor adjustments from their, but I'd say 70-80% of the titles here belong.

Main Complaints

1. Egregious omissions -

Hadestown - Anais Mitchell ( the rest of the listening world caught on this year, Pitchfork whiffed on this one from day one)

Whokill - Tuneyards

Carrion Crawler/The Dream - Thee Oh Sees (best effort in decade from one of the most prolific acts of the decade)

The Seer/To Be Kind - Swans - I don't give a shit about the rape allegation from that stand point that I am a passionate believer in assessing the work separate from the artist's personal life, if GIra did it, though I don't think the case is resolved yet, jail him, it won't be the first time he's been in the can, but the fact of the matter is The Seer and To Be Kind are two of the highest achievements in music this decade and should be considered as such regardless.

Benji - Sun Kil Moon - Likewise I don't care if MK's an asshole, this is another one of the actual 10 best albums of the decade.

Light Up Gold or Wide Awake - Parquet Courts - Both vastly superior to Sunbathing Animal - 10 years from now, in Velvet Underground and Nico Style, once this hip hop/poptimist era has fade, Wide Awake will be properly recognized as the best/most intelligent, and most representative of it's moment album of 2018. Insane that they never got behind this album.

Trouble Will Find Me - The National - One of the five best rock acts of the decade - they deserve two inclusions.

Southeastern - Jason Isbell - One of the greatest Singer-Songwriter efforts of the decade, not in the P4K wheelhouse but shouldn't matter, better than 75% of what's on their list.

Singles - Future Islands

No Cities To Love - Sleater-Kinney - yeah their new album is the biggest disappointment bar none of 2019 but that's no reason to punish this fantastic effort that almost matches the greatness of The Woods.

Skeleton Tree/Push The Sky Away - Nick Cave - can't believe one of these two didn't make it.

Love & Hate - Michael Kiwanuka - Another title P4K has just missed the boat on but one of the most enjoyable R&B efforts of the decade, with Cold Little Heart arguably one of the decade's real 10 best songs.

American Dream - LCD Soundsystem - Both LCD efforts this decade are easily amongst the 200 best releases of the decade.

A Deeper Understanding - War On Drugs - don't have an issue with Lost In The Dream ahead of this, songs here aren't as memorable, but this may be the single greatest production effort in the history of recorded music. For that alone, it deserves inclusion.

St. Vincent/Masseduction - St. Vincent - one of the top ten artists of the decade by every metric, she flat out deserved 2 albums on the list.

Confident Music For Confident People - Confidence Man - Best stupid party album of the decade, another one P4K never jumped on but belongs - wasn't a catchier album released this decade.

Joy As An Act Of Resistance - IDLES - how does a site that prides itself on "Wokeness" miss the ball on the most "Woke" punk album ever released. The runaway winner of best album of 2018 in Europe, just don't get P4K's resistance to this record outside their regular anti-rock bias.

2. Minor Omissions - Not That big a deal to be left off but either a little surprised they missed the cut, or albums I value more than at least 25% of what did make the list.

Odd Blood - Yeasayer
Public Strain - Women
El Camino - The Black Keys
Scandalous - Black Joe Lewis And The Honeybears
Smother - Wild Beasts
Yuck
WIXIW - Liars
Locked Down - Dr. John
Women - Rhye
Elania - Floating Points
My Woman - Angel Olsen - Her best in my opinion, including the new one.
The Order Of Time - Valerie June
Close Ties - Rodney Crowell
Persona -Rival Consoles - surprised Skee Mask's Compro beat this one out for second electronic inclusion from 2018.
Dogrel - Fontaines DC - my number 2 album in 2019 after Purple Mountains.


3. Surprise Inclusions I Loved Seeing and wholeheartedly endorse

There Is Love In You - Four Yet
Cerulean Salt - Waxahatchee
You Want It Darker - Leonard Cohen
Home, Like Noplace Is There - The Hotelier ( more for band getting an inclusion than the album itself)
Ravedeath 1972 - Tim Hecker
Does It Look Like I'm Here - Emeralds
Purple Mountains
Room 25 - Noname
Metamodern Sounds In Country Music - Sturgil Simpson
Painted Shut - Hop Along
I'm New Here - Gil Scott Heron
Go Tell Fire To The Mountain - Wu Lyf - Flash in the pan act, but enjoyed the album and their live set quite a bit.

4. Ugh - Albums I'd drop or drop way down in ranking in a heartbeat.

Blonde - No Issues with making list but feels like a 30-50 range album to my tastes.

Beyonce - way too high.

The Idler Wheel Excellent album, about 20-30 spots to high

A Seat At The Table - very good, just too woke preachy and too high.

Black Messiah (most overrated record of decade, D'Angelo gives hazy soul a new definition of hazy - nothing clear ever in his arrangements - hate Voodoo too, one of my top 10 all time most overrated artists - right there with the Grateful Dead, Queen, Oasis and The Smiths)

Have One On Me - I like Joanna Newsom and love Good Intentions Paving company but this album is so static and such a f***ing bore overall.

Burn Your Fire For No Witness - Solid record but Hate, hate hate the production on it. My Woman is so much better.

El Mal Querer - Along With No Pearl, my least favorite album of 2018 - I love flamenco music, I despise Rosalia's take on it.

We Got It From Here - Love We The People and a couple other tracks, rest of the album has never done much for me.

The Knife/Fever Ray inclusions - love Silent Shouts, and like Habitual/Plunge, but Karin's brand of creepy weirdness has been vastly overrated for a long time now and neither of her 2010 decade efforts were legitimately top 200 worthy.

Black Origami - I admire it's originality but listens don't come any tougher says the guy who adores Swans and Captain Beefheart.

Arca/Sophie - I pair these two together, as they are two hot contemporary producers I just do not mesh with at all, to Arca's credit, at least he's not completely unlistenable the way Sophie is 70% of the time, but I'm still turned off by almost everything he touches.

Tame Impala - Currents - No issues with Lonerism, and like Inner Speaker, but Currents is the most effete effort by a straight male act of the decade - it's level of testosterone draining wimpiness is insufferable and I know I am far from alone from the bands fans earlier who feel the exact same way.

Joyce Manor - Never Hungover Again - I like these guys, but this is the number 1 most puzzling inclusion on the entire list - nothing about this album is any way close to exceptional - nothing.

Disclosure - Settle - I know it belongs, but personally I can't stand these guys.

Panda Bear - Tomboy - Decent album just not top 200 worthy - PK4's Animal Collective fetishism strikes again.

Alabama Shakes - Sound & Colour - Like this album, big improvement on debut, but again, just not sure it's really top 200 worthy.

Sheer Mag - Uggh, talk about a deal breaker voice.

(Sandy) Alex G - DSU - one those yawny indie acts I've never been able to get behind.

Soccer Mommy - Clean - Like this one, but so many great intimate female singer songwriter albums this decade, sure with another 10 minutes effort I could name a dozen I feel are distinctly stronger than this - Julia Jacklin's Crushin' from this year definitely comes to mind, As does Valerie June's The Order Of Time, as does that sepia covered Patty Griffin album with "That Kind Of Lonely" on it, and I know there are more.
Art Angels (do like this quite a bit, but top-20, no fing way

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Post by prosecutorgodot » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:42 am

All my favorites are below 100, so if I take off the first 1, then I have my preferred list. :D

Loving Cold Butterfly's rant.
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Post by Rocky Raccoon » Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:46 am

I personally don't care what did and didn't make this list, after all, opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. What I object to is these lists coming out in October. How about we do the year-end lists first for 2019, and then worry about the decade?
That being said, they did pick the worst, in a relative sense, Parquet Courts album.
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Post by acroamor » Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:13 am

Rocky Raccoon wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:46 am
I personally don't care what did and didn't make this list, after all, opinions and are like assholes, everyone's got one. What I object to is these lists coming out in October. How about we do the year-end lists first for 2019, and then worry about the decade?
That being said, they did pick the worst, in a relative sense, Parquet Courts album.
Going off that, I'm curious what the "unspoken" elements of their selection process looks like. I know they do solicit individual ballots much like Pazz and Jop, but unlike P&J, they're not transparent about how those function. My guess in this case would be that they got a lot of fans of the original Light Up Gold sound and a lot of fans of the newer Human Performance or Wide Awake sound, but not enough for either to place on their own, so they split the difference and attributed those ballots all to Sunbathing Animal eventhough comparatively very few people voted for it.

Similarly, I often feel with lists like this from Pitchfork and Rolling Stone especially that the last 1-5 spots usually go to projects that weren't actually voted in by sheer numbers, but "chosen-by-committee" choices made either to satiate the public or to support a specific niche thing beloved by the editors. I'd say that opening their songs list with Avicii's "Levels" would be a very clear example of this.

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Post by Chambord » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:34 am

If I'd take this list seriously then I'd be thinking wow the 2010s really were the worst decade in music which is maybe not too far off but anyway can't wait for guitar music to become hip again so P4K can start filling their EOYs with bad indie rock bands it will be pure comedy gold the future is bright indeed yes i will stop.

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Post by Elder » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:19 pm

If it were just a Top 100 I would find this list very consistent with
a great hit compilation

But overall it looks like a joint list with RollingStone and NME critics

At the beginning of the decade it was easy to know which rock bands had the profile of P4k (Ariel Pink, Swans, Destroyer), NME (Arctic Mokneys, The 1975) and RS (Black Keys, Jack White) today apparently no longer

Very good this album they chose to represent Jenny Hval
I think James Blake's sound has had as much influence this decade as Charli XCX
Shame to ignore Ariel's Before Today
It's good to have artists like Jenny Hval, Grouper, Arca, Flying Lotus, Rosalía (These are the types of artists I want P4k to introduce me to)

Some good rock artists have lost place to teen rock bands on this list (The 1975 (2 albums), paramore, Snail Mail)

The great thing about P4k is that your lists always improve AM rankings.
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Post by Jackson » Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:37 pm

Pitchfork has produced good and bad lists over the years (I'd put the Pitchfork 500 and their last albums of the 60s countdown in the good camp and their last albums of the 80s countdown in the bad camp). This one is just terrible to the point of lacking relevance.

My problems with it are:
- Came out several months too early. Would this really get fewer page clicks if it came out in December or January? Are they really going to remember to place an album like Ghosteen (just came out with an 8.8 score) in their 2020s countdown?
- Their individual year end lists are rendered irrelevant. It's one thing to incorporate fresh takes on albums that have aged well (or poorly) or to unearth things that were overlooked, but this essentially throws out all of their old lists. Remember their 2018 countdown from 10 months ago? Well apparently now Be the Cowboy (their #1 for 2018) is now worse than Some Rap Songs (their #7 for 2018). What has Rihanna's ANTI done to move up from #19 for 2016 to #12 overall for the decade? Are Run the Jewels not cool enough anymore? RTJ2 was their #1 album for 2014! Their unexplained changing takes on albums make this exercise incoherent
- The prioritization of R&B and rap over other genres is getting ridiculous. It has happened consistently on all of their recent lists (compare the recent 80s albums list to their previous one) and seems more like a desperate attempt to cross over to a more populist audience than a genuine reflection of the editors' tastes. For some reason (as others have pointed out), this love for R&B does not extend to Janelle Monae
- The ghosting of Swans is kind of ridiculous. Agree with the other takes on this thread, but even worse, they're inconsistent with who gets "cancelled." Cardi B and Rick Ross have both been charged with assault, for example, but that doesn't keep them out of this list

It's not all bad - there are some really cool albums that made the list, and some nice contrarian placements that I agree with. But taken as a whole this list does not reflect the decade in music as I experienced it.

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Post by charliepanayi » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:26 pm

They had Real Estate and Erykah Badu on the list too despite the assault allegations against Matt Mondanile and Badu being Kanye levels of insane in general. But consistency has never really been a thing for the music press (remember Consequence of Sound doing an op-ed saying they wouldn't put Brand New in their end of year list on moral grounds when 12 months earlier they'd put Michael Jackson as the greatest singer ever and had James Brown in the top 5?)

Someone mentioned Hadestown (which is great) and that the musical's success should have given it more attention. I'd argue it's the opposite, the success of the musical has made people forget it was ever an album to start with I think!

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Post by bootsy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:55 am

The last three posts: Wow is all I can say.

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Post by Nassim » Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:53 am

Never ever heard of Joyce Manor before so their album at #90 is a huge surprise.
Nice listening so far, though it might take me 5 years too before I see it as a top 100 album of the decade ;)

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Post by Chris K. » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:58 pm

Just for fun, the readers' poll results. I like this list better than the writer list.

Albums:

1. Kanye West: My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
2. Kendrick Lamar: To Pimp a Butterfly
3. Frank Ocean: Blonde
4. Kendrick Lamar: good kid, m.A.A.d city
5. Frank Ocean: Channel Orange
6. Kanye West: Yeezus
7. Vampire Weekend: Modern Vampires of the City
8. Sufjan Stevens: Carrie & Lowell
9. Arcade Fire: The Suburbs
10. Lorde: Melodrama
11. Tame Impala: Currents
12. Bon Iver: Bon Iver
13. Radiohead: A Moon Shaped Pool
14. Beyoncé: Lemonade
15. LCD Soundsystem: This Is Happening
16. Joanna Newsom: Have One on Me
17. Tame Impala: Lonerism
18. Beach House: Teen Dream
19. David Bowie: Blackstar
20. Death Grips: The Money Store
21. Carly Rae Jepsen: E•MO•TION
22. Kendrick Lamar: DAMN.
23. Deerhunter: Halcyon Digest
24. Bon Iver: 22, A Million
25. Fiona Apple: The Idler Wheel...
26. Kanye West: The Life of Pablo
27. Beach House: Bloom
28. The National: High Violet
29. D’Angelo & the Vanguard: Black Messiah
30. Tyler, the Creator: Flower Boy
31. Daft Punk: Random Access Memories
32. The War on Drugs: Lost in the Dream
33. Solange: A Seat at the Table
34. Grimes: Art Angels
35. Father John Misty: I Love You, Honeybear
36. Fleet Foxes: Helplessness Blues
37. Danny Brown: Atrocity Exhibition
38. Beyoncé: Beyoncé
39. Car Seat Headrest: Twin Fantasy
40. Charli XCX: Pop 2
41. Kacey Musgraves: Golden Hour
42. Destroyer: Kaputt
43. Lana Del Rey: Ultraviolence
44. Taylor Swift: 1989
45. Grimes: Visions
46. Sun Kil Moon: Benji
47. Robyn: Body Talk
48. Jamie xx: In Colour
49. Swans: To Be Kind
50. Sufjan Stevens: The Age of Adz

Songs:

1. Kanye West: “Runaway” [ft. Pusha-T]
2. Frank Ocean: “Pyramids”
3. Kendrick Lamar: “Alright”
4. LCD Soundsystem: “Dance Yrself Clean”
5. Robyn: “Dancing on My Own”
6. Grimes: “Oblivion”
7. Tame Impala: “Let It Happen”
8. Kanye West: “Ultralight Beam” [ft. Chance the Rapper, The-Dream, Kelly Price, and Kirk Franklin]
9. Carly Rae Jepsen: “Run Away With Me”
10. Bon Iver: “Holocene”
11. Beyoncé: “Formation”
12. Kanye West: “POWER” [ft. Dwele]
13. Vampire Weekend: “Hannah Hunt”
14. Arcade Fire: “Sprawl II (Mountains Beyond Mountains)”
15. M83: “Midnight City”
16. Lana Del Rey: “Video Games”
17. Frank Ocean: “Thinkin Bout You”
18. Mitski: “Your Best American Girl”
19. Kendrick Lamar: “King Kunta”
20. Kanye West: “Monster” [ft. Justin Vernon, Rick Ross, Jay-Z, and Nicki Minaj]
21. Lana Del Rey: “Venice Bitch”
22. Sufjan Stevens: “Should Have Known Better”
23. JAY-Z / Kanye West: “Niggas in Paris”
24. Daft Punk: “Get Lucky” [ft. Pharrell]
25. Kendrick Lamar: “The Blacker the Berry”
26. Solange: “Cranes in the Sky”
27. Kanye West: “Blood on the Leaves”
28. Frank Ocean: “Nikes”
29. Beach House: “Myth”
30. Kanye West: “New Slaves”
31. Radiohead: “Daydreaming”
32. Frank Ocean: “Ivy”
33. The National: “Bloodbuzz Ohio”
34. Lorde: “Royals”
35. Lorde: “Green Light”
36. Sufjan Stevens: “Fourth of July”
37. Kendrick Lamar: “Bitch Don’t Kill My Vibe”
38. David Bowie: “Blackstar”
39. Tame Impala: “Feels Like We Only Go Backwards”
40. Mitski: “Nobody”
41. Radiohead: “True Love Waits”
42. Charli XCX: “Track 10”
43. Vampire Weekend: “Step”
44. Future Islands: “Seasons (Waiting on You)”
45. FKA twigs: “Two Weeks”
46. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti: “Round and Round”
47. Taylor Swift: “Style”
48. Lorde: “The Louvre”
49. Fleet Foxes: “Helplessness Blues”
50. Death Grips: “I’ve Seen Footage”

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Re: Pitchfork (US) - The 200 Best Albums of the 2010s

Post by trevorandersen » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:38 am

Chris K. wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:58 pm
Just for fun, the readers' poll results. I like this list better than the writer list.
...
This is much better. Still think TPaB deserves top spot though.

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Re: Pitchfork (US) - The 200 Best Albums of the 2010s

Post by charliepanayi » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:44 am

Don't know why people think the readers album list is 'much better' than the writers list, it's almost exactly the same list aside from the readers not ignoring Sun Kil Moon/Swans

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Re: Pitchfork (US) - The 200 Best Albums of the 2010s

Post by nquoid » Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:55 am

Chris K. wrote:
Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:58 pm
Just for fun, the readers' poll results. I like this list better than the writer list.
That top 6 is kind of hilarious (even if I love all those albums)

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Post by Chambord » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:57 pm

It is (almost) the same artists but definitely not the same list. The Suburbs top 10, Bloom and High Violet top 30 is much closer to reality :whistle:

And yeah the top 6 is surrealist art really tho I expected something like:

1. Kanye West
2. Kanye West
3. Kendrick Lamar
4. Kendrick Lamar
5. Frank Ocean
6. Frank Ocean

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Re: Pitchfork (US) - The 200 Best Albums of the 2010s

Post by Jimoincolor » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:07 am

I’m a bit disappointed with the omission of Floral Shoppe.

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