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90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:30 am

Ok here we are on a new thread.

First of all, all apologies : I really screwed up this year. When I took the poll last year, I was unemployed and had a lot of free time, but now I'm working hard at the teacher's school and I really wanted this to be done this week end before I go back to class on monday.

But that was unrealistic. In a hurry you never do things right. I should have done like my wiser, older brother Honorio who took all his time 2 years ago with the 1950 1960 poll.

So I spent 4 hours checking the spreadshit (sorry for that joke repetition) and now it's clean. With Henrik we decided that this poll would feature non anglophone albums, and we set up a scoring system that doesn't discriminate albums that people didn't listen to (sorry for my english, it's 2 AM).

So before I start again with the top 40 (tomorrow or Monday), here is the new 150-41 list after the corrections (you can also find it in the previous thread)

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:31 am

150 . Happy Mondays | Pills 'n' Thrills and Bellyaches | 1990 | 879,26
149 . Scene | Blauw | 1990 | 884,18
148 . Red Hot Chili Peppers | Californication | 1999 | 902,11
147 . Prince | The Symbol Album | 1992 | 902,40
146 . Jesus Lizard | Goat | 1991 | 909,27
145 . Slowdive | Souvlaki | 1993 | 913,36
144 . Pet Shop Boys | Very | 1993 | 916,99
143 . Sugar | Copper Blue | 1992 | 918,91
142 . Pet Shop Boys | Behaviour | 1990 | 931,92
141 . Pearl Jam | Vs. | 1993 | 942,51

140 . PJ Harvey | Is This Desire? | 1998 | 942,99
139 . Metallica | Metallica | 1991 | 943,42
138 . Alanis Morrissette | Jagged Little Pill | 1995 | 950,29
137 . Suede | Coming Up | 1996 | 956,09
136 . Massive Attack | Protection | 1994 | 956,46
135 . Foo Fighters | The Colour and the Shape | 1997 | 958,52
134 . Aphex Twin | Selected Ambient Works 85-92 | 1992 | 966,24
133 . Lemonheads | It's a Shame About Ray | 1992 | 968,66
132 . Mogwai | Come On Die Young | 1999 | 977,05
131 . Wilco | Being There | 1996 | 978,45

130 . Manic Street Preachers | Everything Must Go | 1996 | 982,33
129 . A Tribe Called Quest | People's Instinctive Travels and The Paths of Rhythm | 1990 | 987,93
128 . Suede | Suede | 1993 | 988,38
127 . Spiritualized | Lazer-Guided Melodies | 1992 | 989,15
126 . Los Lobos | Kiko | 1992 | 990,23
125 . Pavement | Brighten the Corners | 1997 | 992,12
124 . Boredoms | Super AE | 1998 | 997,03
123 . Jayhawks, The | Hollywood Town Hall | 1992 | 997,63
122 . St Etienne | So Tough | 1993 | 1002,25
121 . Tom Waits | Mule Variations | 1999 | 1002,44

120 . Lou Reed and John Cale | Songs for Drella | 1990 | 1002,87
119 . Family | Un soplo en el corazón | 1994 | 1003,58
118 . Blur | Blur | 1997 | 1003,71
117 . Mos Def | Black on Both Sides | 1999 | 1012,35
116 . Blur | 13 | 1999 | 1016,97
115 . Jayhawks, The | Tomorrow the Green Grass | 1995 | 1017,98
114 . Guided By Voices | Bee Thousand | 1994 | 1018,91
113 . Green Day | Dookie | 1994 | 1019,20
112 . Sleater-Kinney | Dig Me Out | 1997 | 1022,65
111 . Matthew Sweet | Girlfriend | 1991 | 1026,70
110 . New Radicals, The | Maybe You've Been Brainwashed Too | 1998 | 1027,13

109 . Divine Comedy, The | Casanova | 1996 | 1027,18
108 . Prefab Sprout | Jordan: The Comeback | 1990 | 1029,38
107 . Prodigy, The | The Fat of the Land | 1997 | 1029,96
106 . Boo Radleys | Giant Steps | 1993 | 1032,22
105 . Red Hot Chili Peppers | Blood Sugar Sex Magik | 1991 | 1032,76
104 . Tricky | Maxinquaye | 1995 | 1033,07
103 . Weezer | Pinkerton | 1996 | 1033,80
102 . Rage Against The Machine | Rage Against The Machine | 1992 | 1038,14
101 . Paul Simon | The Rhythm of the Saints | 1990 | 1044,03

100 . Boredoms | Vision Creation Newsun | 1999 | 1044,76
99 . Cesaria Evora | Miss Perfumado | 1992 | 1044,87
98 . Teenage Fanclub | Bandwagonesque | 1991 | 1052,98
97 . Bob Dylan | Time Out Of Mind | 1997 | 1053,31
96 . Divine Comedy, The | Liberation | 1993 | 1059,30
95 . Lucinda Williams | Car Wheels On A Gravel Road | 1998 | 1059,98
94 . Beck | Midnite Vultures | 1999 | 1060,64
93 . Eels | Beautiful Freak | 1996 | 1062,17
92 . Fiona Apple | When The Pawn | 1999 | 1064,77
91 . Belle and Sebastian | Tigermilk | 1996 | 1065,56

90 . William Sheller | Sheller en solitaire | 1991 | 1067,95
89 . Roots, The | Things Fall Apart | 1999 | 1068,02
88 . Ride | Nowhere | 1990 | 1068,15
87 . Johnny Cash | American Recordings | 1994 | 1068,95
86 . Soundgarden | Superunknown | 1994 | 1072,40
85 . Madonna | Ray of Light | 1998 | 1075,74
84 . Tindersticks, The | Tindersticks | 1993 | 1077,73
83 . Beastie Boys | Hello Nasty | 1998 | 1077,76
82 . Elliott Smith | Elliott Smith | 1995 | 1078,62
81 . Tortoise | Millions Now Living Will Never Die | 1996 | 1079,64

80 . Supergrass | I Should Coco | 1995 | 1088,40
79 . Boards of Canada | Music Has the Right to Children | 1998 | 1088,53
78 . La's | The La's | 1990 | 1088,95
77 . Hole | Live Through This | 1994 | 1089,13
76 . Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds | Murder Ballads | 1996 | 1100,74
75 . Arvo Pärt | Te Deum | 1993 | 1103,99
74 . Goran Bregović | Music Inspired and Taken from Underground | 1995 | 1107,05
73 . Sonic Youth | Goo | 1990 | 1109,28
72 . R.E.M. | Out Of Time | 1991 | 1111,77
71 . Pulp | This is Hardcore | 1998 | 1113,21

70 . Tindersticks, The | Tindersticks (II) | 1995 | 1115,49
69 . Pavement | Wowee Zowee | 1995 | 1115,76
68 . Pixies | Bossanova | 1990 | 1119,29
67 . Bonnie 'Prince' Billy | I See a Darkness | 1999 | 1124,66
66 . OutKast | Aquemini | 1998 | 1128,24
65 . Compay Segundo | Yo Vengo Aqui | 1996 | 1129,43
64 . Weezer | Weezer (The Blue Album) | 1994 | 1129,99
63 . PJ Harvey | Dry | 1992 | 1130,08
62 . Sinéad O'Connor | I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got | 1990 | 1139,08
61 . PJ Harvey | Rid Of Me | 1993 | 1143,21

60 . Genius/GZA | Liquid Swords | 1995 | 1144,94
59 . R.E.M. | New Adventures in Hi-Fi | 1996 | 1145,81
58 . Tori Amos | Little Earthquakes | 1992 | 1154,49
57 . Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds | The Boatman's Call | 1997 | 1157,50
56 . Yo La Tengo | I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One | 1997 | 1160,88
55 . Sonic Youth | Dirty | 1992 | 1161,11
54 . Neil Young | Ragged Glory | 1990 | 1162,61
53 . A Tribe Called Quest | The Low End Theory | 1991 | 1170,79
52 . Built To Spill | Perfect From Now On | 1997 | 1176,72
51 . Liz Phair | Exile In Guyville | 1993 | 1177,80

50 . Primal Scream | Screamadelica | 1991 | 1181,06
49 . Stereolab | Emperor Tomato Ketchup | 1996 | 1205,75
48 . Nirvana | MTV Unplugged in New York | 1994 | 1212,68
47 . Pearl Jam | Ten | 1991 | 1215,61
46 . Verve, The | Urban Hymns | 1997 | 1216,84
45 . Slint | Spiderland | 1991 | 1218,10
44 . Moby | Play | 1999 | 1221,55
43 . Public Enemy | Fear of a Black Planet | 1990 | 1223,53
42 . Oasis | Definitely Maybe | 1994 | 1227,06
41 . Massive Attack | Blue Lines | 1991 | 1233,01

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Jirin » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:39 am

Ew, Happy Mondays in last? I would have listed that in the top 30.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Kingoftonga » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:24 am

Especially because the Happy Mondays finished 9th in the 1990 poll. I wonder what happened?

I was hoping for Aphex Twin to make a major jump, but no such luck.

Thanks for doing this, Nicolas. Your hard work does not go unappreciated!

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:21 am

Thanks kingoftonga ! :D

Well Happy Mondays don't get better that a 27th place (out of 53) so they got very few points.
Blauw didn't do better but they were saved by the point system which was (maybe too much) in favor of less nominated albums. This rule about unranked albums is good but needs to be changed and improved. I realized that for somebody like Moonbeam who just ranked 36 albums the rule gave more than 60 points to unranked albums which is waay too much, but it was too late to change the rule. Anyway it only affected the bottom of the ranking.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:04 am


40 . Wilco | Summerteeth | 1999 | 1236,12





Biggest fans:
Jonathon #1, Nick #3, Greg #16

Comments:

"Where Yankee Hotel Foxtrot would sound strained, this release sounds strangely effortless, as if each song were the easiest thing in the world to write. This sometimes obscures the dark lyrical content, which makes it all the more interesting." kingoftonga

Smoother than Being There, first attempt to leave the Americana path. Andre (2007)

Place in year poll: 4

Place in the 2007 poll: 38

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 115

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 611

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:07 am


39 . Beck | Mutations | 1998 | 1243,92





Biggest fans:
nicolas #6, kingoftonga #16, Superfurry #17

Comments:

"The Beck album that never gets enough credit. All the pathos of Sea Change with none of the pretensions." kingoftonga

"I told you kingoftonga and me agreed one some albums. Legend tells that Beck made this album for his girlfriend who was a little tired of the weird things he did to his songs in his previous albums. So here is a gentler Beck, that proves to be a fantastic "classic" songwriter." nicolas

"I have fallen in love with Beck over the last year. I could never get into him until I sat down with Mellow Gold and gave it a couple of listens from beginning to end, concentrating as well as I could. Now I really like everything I've heard of him. This one's a little less abrasive, a little less wacky, but it's still Beck.
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Place in year poll: 5

Place in the 2007 poll: -

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 143

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 755





38 . Björk | Debut | 1993 | 1250,65





Biggest fans:
Honorio #2, Moonbeam #6, Henrik #6

Comments:

"The very first electronica album that I really loved, cause it supposed a brand new use of the voice in a predominantly instrumental style or dominated by soul divas. And the voice of Björk is possibly the most unique in pop history, balancing perfectly the confidence and the vulnerability, the virtuosity and the spontaneity, the craft and the extravagance." Honorio

"An excellent album that only feels lacking to me because the next two releases would be some of the best albums of the decade." kingoftonga

Place in year poll: 3

Place in the 2007 poll: 19

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 18

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 139

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

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37 . Nas | Illmatic | 1994 | 1253,37





Biggest fans:
VanillaFire1000 #4, Greg #7, sonofsamian #9, Dan #10, Nick #17, Gillingham #20,

Comments:

"A perfect rap album. Just bomb after bomb after bomb." VanillaFire1000

"Same year as "Ready to Die". Same Genre as "Ready to Die". But better than "Ready to Die", which didn't make the list? Hell no." listyguy

"My favourite hip-hop album of the 90s. Fluid rapping, uncompromising lyrics and an exhilarating production." Dan

Place in year poll: 5

Place in the 2007 poll: 66

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 49

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 245
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36 . Tom Waits | Bone Machine | 1992 | 1276,25





Biggest fans:
nicolas #5, Greg #6, kingoftonga #14, HRS #16

Comments:

"Fascinating record. One of Waits' most experimental, but always organic and full of guts. One song title draws the picture : All Stripped Down. To the bones. And the drums. His darkest for sure, a record about death, death seen as a relief like in the old gospel songs. An escape from a world of murder and pain. But the album is never depressive nor cold, because the man is smart, full of humor and visual poetry. And it closes with a great duo with the big Survivor, Keith Richard, about the immortality of feelings." nicolas

"The best Tom Waits album after Rain Dogs? Probably. Like all the best Waits albums, it has a bit of filler, but it also has some of the most varied and original songs I've ever heard. Waits plays to his strengths here, with his gritty howl used to express fear of death and dying." kingoftonga


Place in year poll: 3

Place in the 2007 poll: 68

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 106

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 557

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

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35 . Smashing Pumpkins | Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness | 1995 | 1305,96






Biggest fans:
Greg #3, Henry #8, Harold #8, Nick #13, VanillaFire #13, listyguy #18

Comments:

"Overflowing with riches! A bit too thick for me, but there's always something to discover each time I listen." kingoftonga

"This is one of the two times I will go against the general consensus about a best album of the 90s but I find this better than Siamese Dreams, the whole band being at the top of their game through most of the album, especially the first CD. Chamberlain deserves even more praise than the others, delivering one of the best drum performance of the decade.
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Place in year poll: 6

Place in the 2007 poll: 46

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 264

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 611

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Moonbeam » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:25 pm

Thanks for all the hard work, nicolas! I know it can be frustrating dealing with spreadsheets. My suggestion is that whoever shares a common spreadsheet should make an additional ID column (filled with 1-150 in this case) to make sorting easier. That way, each person can sort the items as they wish but the ID column can be used to sort the same way each time.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:25 pm

Yes it is frustrating! especially so when you finish your final spreadsheet at one AM and fuck up when you save it and loose 2 hours of work!

But I don't really get your point about the ID column

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34 . Massive Attack | Mezzanine  | 1998 | 1326,86





Biggest fans:
Gillingham #2, Superfurry #7, Henrik #11, Dan #13

Comments:

"Very cinematic and an excellent blend of the trip-hop that got them famous and some murkier, deeper sound, added with a bit of fitting dub." Gillingham

"The most atmospheric and sophisticated of Massive Attack's albums" Dan

"The Massive Attack album where they finally get the formula correct. Excellent stuff." kingoftonga

Place in year poll: 1

Place in the 2007 poll: 35

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 65

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 351






33 . Wu-Tang Clan | Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) | 1993 | 1336,15





Biggest fans:
beefsupreme #1, sonofsamian #7, Nassim #7, Superfurry #13, Greg #15, kingoftonga #20

Comments:

"The 2nd half of this album, from « Da Mystery of Chessboxin' » to the end, might be the finest moment in hip-hip history, both thanks to RZA flawless production and the mix of all those different but complementary flows.
Nassim

"The distinctive sound of Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) created a blueprint for hardcore hip hop during the 1990s and helped return New York City hip hop to national prominence. Its sound also became hugely influential in modern hip hop production, while the group members' explicit, humorous, and free-associative lyrics have served as a template for many subsequent hip hop records. Serving as a landmark record in the era of hip hop known as the East Coast Renaissance, its influence helped lead the way for several other East Coast hip hop artists, including Nas, The Notorious B.I.G., Mobb Deep, and Jay-Z."
AMG

Place in year poll: 4

Place in the 2007 poll: 27

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 27

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 158





32 . Elliott Smith | XO  | 1998 | 1339,65





Biggest fans:
Honorio #3, Nassim #9, Henry #14

Comments:

"The first half of this album might be the best thing ever put on CD, unfortunately the 2nd half drags it down a bit when Elliott Smith's attempt at increased orchestration are only half of a success
Nassim

"The (Warhol-ic) fifteen minutes of fame came to Elliott Smith thanks to an Oscar nomination and he sized this opportunity to sign with a major label and to use the posibilities of the studio. The production was bright and detailed but Elliott knew how to retain his closeness, fragility and emotion in these stories of darkness, despair and isolation.
Honorio

" Smith's songs remain intensely introspective, yet the lush, Beatlesque production provides a terrifically charming counterpoint. His sweetly dark melodies are vividly brought to life with the detailed arrangements, and they sell Smith's tormented songs -- it's easy to get caught up in the tunes and the sound of the record, then realize later what the songs are actually about. That's a sign of a good craftsman, and XO proves that not only can Elliott Smith craft a song, but he knows how to make an alluring pop record as well."
AMG

Place in year poll: 3

Place in the 2007 poll: 108

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 18

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 565

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31 . Buena Vista Social Club | Buena Vista Social Club | 1997 | 1340,35





Biggest fans:
Dan #4, nicolas #4, Miguel #6, VanillaFire1000 #7, Henrik #16, Gillingham #18

Comments:

"Simply divine. These artists came from nowhere and displayed their almost intact talent to become stars in their 70s and 80s. What a destiny! Ageless. ANd hats off to Ry Cooder who brought them in the light, even if Compay had been "discovered" the year before by a Spanish record company" nicolas

"Oh boy, what a wonderful blend of Cuban son and Afro-Cuban jazz. So carefree and relaxed, yet so exuberant and refined... and so brilliantly performed by a group of seasoned musicians.
Dan

"The "sabroso" and easy-going sound of the pre-Castro Cuban musicians rediscovered for the world thanks to gold miner Ry Cooder."Honorio

"An album I enjoy putting on for lazy Sunday mornings. It makes me want to explore this kind of music more." kingoftonga

Place in year poll: 5

Place in the 2007 poll: 71

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 75

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 404

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Dan » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:00 pm

A pleasant surprise to see Buena Vista Social Club do so well.
Let's make this a good year.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Henry » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:17 pm

It appears that the folks voting in this poll (clearly not including myself) have a special affection for Bjork, as Bjork has three remaining albums in the top 40. This total of three remaining albums compares favorably to the following performers who are rated higher than Bjork (8) in the 1990's according to AM:

1) Nirvana (2)
2) Radiohead (2)
3) R.E.M. (1)
4) Oasis (1)
5) Beck (1)
6) Massive Attack (1)
7) Blur (1)

Bjork is characterized as performing music that relates to the following genres:
Alternative Dance
Alternative Pop/ Rock
Alternative/ Indie Rock
Club/Dance
Electronica
Experimental Rock
Trip-Hop

I wonder which, if any, of these genres tend to be more beloved among those participating in this poll. My initial conjecture is that the following genres are more beloved by the poll participants: Alternative/ Indie Rock and Electronica.
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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Nick » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:21 pm

Doesn't Bjork have only 2 remaining albums in the top 30?

Also, Massive Attack doesn't have any remaining albums in the top 30.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Henry » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:39 pm

Nick wrote:Doesn't Bjork have only 2 remaining albums in the top 30?

Also, Massive Attack doesn't have any remaining albums in the top 30.


Corrections made. Thanks. General message remains the same.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Listyguy » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:44 pm

Bjork's also got a ridiculous amount of songs in the poll, with 6. Only Radiohead and R.E.M. have more, with 7 apiece.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby HRS » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:58 pm

And how long will Björk's Debut hold up as her most critically acclaimed album on AM? More and more I perceive that both Post and Homogenic are overtaking it on polls from critics and music lovers alike - especially on american lists. Also, congratulations on the Poll nicolas and all the effort you put on it! I don't feel like there's comments to add, since I already came clean on the forum of how much my top 3 for the 90s (Guyville, Rid of Me, Earthquakes) helped me to spread my horizons and listen to different genres and kind of artists outside my ol' top 40 bubble; It's been a great presentation, the results are being surprising in terms of ranking - especially compared to the 2007 poll -- and Come Together is one of the best songs of all time hehe :P

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Henry » Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:03 pm

Listyguy wrote:Bjork's also got a ridiculous amount of songs in the poll, with 6. Only Radiohead and R.E.M. have more, with 7 apiece.


I wouldn't characterize the number of songs as ridiculous, but not aligned with my preferences.

I have actually started to enjoy both Post and Debut. But, I find that the songs on Homogenic more annoying than enjoyable so far.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Zorg » Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:58 pm

I wouldn't suggest that it can be broken down by genre, Henry. Bjork really is just a unique case - she's has a unique blend of inventiveness, amazing vocals and great production.I first got into her about last year listening to Vespertine. I'd give that ago ahead of the others - songs like Cocoon have such an amazing aesthetic to them.

I generally don't like using "uniqueness" or "originality" as a criteria for whether an album or an artist is good (if Radiohead disappeared, it wouldn't make my listening of Coldplay any more enjoyable), but with Bjork, you have to make an exception. There is no one that I've ever heard which sounds anything like her, and it makes her albums a fascinating listen.

nicolas wrote:But I don't really get your point about the ID column


I think Moonbeam's point was that using an ID column, you can absolutely fix albums to a certain number. For example in your spreadsheet there was that problem with some of the albums being in a funny order (Blur's 13, Think Tank and Parklife weren't alphabetical or something). Using an ID column you can fix 13 at (say) 22, Parklife at 23 and Think Tank at 24. This allows us to mess about with the spreadsheet. For example, I sorted the albums according to whether I had heard them or not, but there was no way for me to easily get it back in the right order again. But if there were an ID column, all I'd have to do is sort the ID column alphabetically.

Tom Waits was 1st on my 1992 list back in February but it's dropped quite a bit since. Which is odd, because I thought it would only sound better to my ears over time.
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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Henry » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:06 pm

Zorg wrote:I wouldn't suggest that it can be broken down by genre, Henry. Bjork really is just a unique case - she's has a unique blend of inventiveness, amazing vocals and great production.I first got into her about last year listening to Vespertine. I'd give that ago ahead of the others - songs like Cocoon have such an amazing aesthetic to them.


Thanks for the tip. I will have to give Cocoon another try. I have listened to the entire Vespertine album and was least enthusiastic about Cocoon. Instead the songs that I enjoyed the most were Harm of Will and Heirloom.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:15 pm


30 . AIR | Moon Safari  | 1998 | 1353,96





Biggest fans:
Zorg #9, Moonbeam #11, Superfurry #12, Romain #13, vanillaFire1000 #18, Dan #18

Comments:

"An album chock full of chill hits, Moon Safari is one of my go-to albums when I need to relax. Starting with the truly amazing 1-2 combo of La Femme d'argent and Sexy Boy, it's a immaculately crafted record, flowing from beginning to end. Talisman is one of my favourite non-vocal songs ever.
Zorg

"Unlike most electronica producers, Air had musical ideas that stretched beyond samplers or keyboards, and Moon Safari found those ideas wrapped up in music that was engaging, warm, and irresistible."
AMG

Place in year poll: 6

Place in the 2007 poll: 23

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 22

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 147

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Gillingham » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:17 pm

Wouldn't expect a number 1 album of a year (Mezzanine) end up in the 36th place of a decade poll.

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29 . Pavement | Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain | 1994 | 1359,91






Biggest fans:
Zorg #2, Brad #4, Nassim #8, Nick #11, Chris K #15, Jonathon #17


Comments:

"Nerdy, fuzzy elegance. A truly beautiful album filled with 12 of the most amazing songs ever. They're vibrant, dynamic and fun. Who could possibly listen to Cut Your Hair and fail to want to chant "oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-OOO"?
Zorg

"I really never expected to like this album this much, given my initial disdain to « Slanted and Enchanted », but I love all the guitar seems to flow freely through the album, seemingly not caring about the other instruments but still fitting with them... seems hard to explain, but just listen how the guitar never repeats itself in « Range Life » and you might get it. This being said, « Fillmore Jive » might be the finest closer ever."
Nassim

Place in year poll: 3

Place in the 2007 poll: 18

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 35

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 223






28 . Neutral Milk Hotel | In An Aeroplane Over The Sea  | 1998 | 1373,78





Biggest fans:
Harold #2, Kingoftonga #3, VanillaFire1000 #5, Nick #7, Jonathon #9, Stephan #15, listyguy #19, Nassim #20

Comments:

"Beautiful, emotional, unforgettable. Though I can never quite decide if the lyrics are the most profound think I've ever heard, or just nonsense." kingoftonga

"one of the most overrated albums of all time" nicolas

"lo-fi yet lush, impenetrable yet wholly accessible, In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is either the work of a genius or an utter crackpot, with the truth probably falling somewhere in between." AMG

Place in year poll: 2

Place in the 2007 poll: 24

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 88

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 490



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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Gillingham » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:27 pm

HRS wrote:And how long will Björk's Debut hold up as her most critically acclaimed album on AM? More and more I perceive that both Post and Homogenic are overtaking it on polls from critics and music lovers alike - especially on american lists.

I thought Debut being Björk most acclaimed album a bit strange too. But there are quite some artists on AM that have their first (couple of) album(s) relatively highly acclaimed. A bit of natural conservatism of a compiled list maybe?

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Gillingham » Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:29 pm

Thanks nicolas. See you tomorrow!

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:15 pm

I think that Bjork is above genre distinction. She is usually classified as electro but that doesn't apply to "It's Oh So Quiet" for instance (one of the best song of all times in terms of variations of intensity and tempo). I think she's a pop artist that uses electronica but also jazz, world and modern classical. And what a singer!! She's easily my favorite female singer, at least in the world of the living.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Moonbeam » Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:30 pm

I'm glad to see people jump to Björk's defense. She really does defy genre categorization as many have said, and she is a singular talent indeed. If it wasn't for Björk, the 90s would be almost a complete wasteland for me other than music by artists established in earlier decades.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Moonbeam » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:12 am

Zorg wrote:I think Moonbeam's point was that using an ID column, you can absolutely fix albums to a certain number. For example in your spreadsheet there was that problem with some of the albums being in a funny order (Blur's 13, Think Tank and Parklife weren't alphabetical or something). Using an ID column you can fix 13 at (say) 22, Parklife at 23 and Think Tank at 24. This allows us to mess about with the spreadsheet. For example, I sorted the albums according to whether I had heard them or not, but there was no way for me to easily get it back in the right order again. But if there were an ID column, all I'd have to do is sort the ID column alphabetically.


That's exactly it. Thanks for explaining!

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Zorg » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:55 am

Listyguy wrote:Bjork's also got a ridiculous amount of songs in the poll, with 6. Only Radiohead and R.E.M. have more, with 7 apiece.



And 7 for Radiohead and R.E.M. is ridiculous too. I mean, I totally dig Automatic for the People, but almost HALF the songs on that album are in the top 150! Radiohead could also do with a bit of thinning (but perhaps less than R.E.M). I think the only artist that could deserve more songs in our top 150 than Bjork personally is Pavement. They've got good tracks spread nicely across the entire decade, with a clear peak in 1994.

I think all of my comments so far have been negative (why wasn't this higher/never understood this album etc etc), so let me say that I'm really happy that those last three turned up where they did. Moon Safari, Crooked Rain and to some extent In the Aeroplane over the Sea are truly great forward-looking 90s albums.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Moonbeam » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:01 am

Moon Safari is nice. I heard it for the first time on the plane ride back to Australia in June. It manages a balance of interest and tranquility very well, and I played it repeatedly while drifting in and out of sleep.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Rodneyontheblock » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:34 am

Right on about Neutral Milk Hotel Nicolas. One of the most overrated bands of all time (the sound of Ben Stein fronting Sonic Youth;) followed by one of the most overrated albums of all time. A hipster's wet dream.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Jackson » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:58 am

I am surprised NMH isn't higher, it would have been top 10 anywhere else on the Internet (it's 4 for the decade on RYM). When I revisited it for the 1998 poll I expected to like it less, but nope...it's a masterpiece.

Moon Safari is great too. Some of the little parts from these songs get stuck in my head a lot, like the guitar riff from "Ce Matin La"...absolutely gorgeous.

By the way, I'm all for Massive Attack placing high, but why is Tricky so low then? What people like Mezzanine but not Maxinquaye?

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:44 am

Jackson wrote:I am surprised NMH isn't higher, it would have been top 10 anywhere else on the Internet (it's 4 for the decade on RYM). When I revisited it for the 1998 poll I expected to like it less, but nope...it's a masterpiece


Well, so we're not the internet and I'm not unhappy about it. I still can't realize why this band/album is so loved. Maybe it's a generation thing? Not that they're utterly bad (there are some decent songs in the lot), but I just don't see the point and the lyrics and concept seem somewhat very pretentious to me.
So I think our AM community reflects the debate around that album, summarized in the three comments that I posted in my presentation.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:04 pm

But Rodneyontheblock I don't share your opinion on Pavement, at least not completely. I'm not a big fan (lo-fi music, cryptic lyrics and delibertely approximative singing and songwriting are not my cup of tea), but I guess that although he tries his best to hide and deform it most of the times, Stephen Malkmus is a gifted songwriter and the band is good and those guys look nice and simple, unlike NMH. "Range Life" (a great "traditional" song) or "Fillmore Jive" are fantastic, and I like Wowee Zowee too.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:39 pm

From now on I'm adding a "not a fan" section. Since people have ranked from 36 to 150 albums, I will consider the bottom 10% of each list as "not a fan" albums.

And in the fan section only each voter's top 15 will appear instead of 20

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:17 pm

Here is the number of ranked albums per voters so you can read their "not a fan" statistics a little better

Beefsupreme 125
Brad 145
Chris K 150
Dan 150
Gillingham 58
Greg 134
Harold 143
Henrik 150
Henry 150
Honorio 150
HRS 134
jonathon 120
kingoftonga 125
listyguy 45
Michel 137
Miguel 95
Moonbeam 36
Nassim 134
Nick 75
nicolas 150
Olivier 131
Rodneyontheblock 53
Romain 150
sonofsamian 146
Stephan 141
Superfurry 135
VanilleFire1000 150
Zorg 76

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Henrik » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:42 pm

nicolas wrote:Thanks kingoftonga ! :D

Well Happy Mondays don't get better that a 27th place (out of 53) so they got very few points.
Blauw didn't do better but they were saved by the point system which was (maybe too much) in favor of less nominated albums. This rule about unranked albums is good but needs to be changed and improved. I realized that for somebody like Moonbeam who just ranked 36 albums the rule gave more than 60 points to unranked albums which is waay too much, but it was too late to change the rule. Anyway it only affected the bottom of the ranking.

Maybe the unheard albums gain a little too much by putting them in the middle of the ranking list, but not as much as they suffer in all other polls... And if we take Moonbeam's list as an example, his favorite album got 100 points, his most hated album (remember, this is Moonbeam) got 47 points and the albums not listed got 64 points, which is at least a lot nearer 47 than 100.

I think the formula works pretty well as long as people rank the albums they have heard but not like.
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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

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27 . Mercury Rev | Deserter's Songs | 1998 | 1382,74





Biggest fans:
Zorg #4, Rodneyontheblock #7, Dan #8, Sonofsamian #12, Miguel #13, Honorio #13

Not a fan:
Michel #135

Comments:

"Noel Gallagher's favourite song of 1998 was Holes. And I'm not much surprised. Everyone's favourite song of 1998 should be Holes. I might grant an exception for anyone who prefers Goddess on a Hiway. Or The Funny Bird. Perhaps Delta Sun Bottleneck Stomp. But that's it." Zorg

"This album always reminds me of Christmas time, sometimes I played it while decorating the Christmas tree. Fortunately my kids don't know English enough to understand lyrics about eyes that "exploded like two bugs on glass." Poisoned lullabies. Honorio

"This album is whimsical and soothing in equal measures. And it kinda... sparkles. I love the sumptuous arrangements and there is something about the general sound of the music that has a ghostly quality unlike anything else." Dan

"As someone who thinks The Soft Bulletin is the best album of the 90s, I feel like I should enjoy this album more than I do. There's some great tracks, but also what feels like a lot of filler." kingoftonga

"Four albums in and Mercury Rev remain as surprising and daring as ever -- exchanging the volcanic noise and twisted sensibilities of earlier releases for ornate arrangements and ethereal strings, Deserter's Songs unlocks the beauty always hidden just below the band's surface, its lush harmonics and soothing textures bathing in an almost unearthly light."
AMG

Place in year poll: 4

Place in the 2007 poll : 28 (+1)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 58 (+31)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 322





26 . Spiritualized | Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space | 1997 | 1385,03





Biggest fans:
Rodneyontheblock#1, Superfurry #4, HRS #4, Zorg #7, Olivier #14, Nick #14

Not a fan:
none

Comments:

"One of the most ambitious albums in our top 150, Ladies and Gentlemen BOOMS with its epic structure. Starting with the beautiful trio of "Ladies and Gentlemen", "Come Together" and "I Think I'm In Love", through to the beautiful middle including "Broken Heart" and then towards the finale with the juxtaposition of the beatiful choral track "Cool Waves" with the sonic destruction that is "Cop Shoot Cop", the album is an astounding example of beauty through destruction." Zorg

"Useless fact : everytime I hear the « Come together » from this album, I think it is the one from « Screamadelica » (probably 'cause that's the low point of Screamadelica and I want to forget it)" Nassim

"in a sense, Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space, with its majestic, Spector-like glow, is (their) classic rock album." AMG

Place in year poll: 4

Place in the 2007 poll: 34 (+8)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 50 (+24)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 277

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:54 pm

the psychedelic sequence...

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Rodneyontheblock » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:07 pm

Great to see Spiritualized score so well. Still kind of unsettling knowing it would have made the top 25 it someone had voted on time;) btw. ALL 53 of the albums I ranked I generally enjoy so my unranked I've either not heard or don't care for at all.

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Jackson » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:48 pm

The amazing thing about Ladies and Gentlemen is that it's my #2 album for the decade, and I think the songs sound even better live. "Come Together" and "Stay With Me" were just mind-blowing when I saw Spiritualized live last May. "Ladies and Gentlemen..." wasn't quite as good, but I've heard live versions online of it that are pretty much the best thing ever.

About Mercury Rev: it's cool to see top 30 placement for that album, but the rest of their 90s output easily could have/should have made the top 150. Particularly See You on the Other Side, my #1 for 1995 and something that most MRev/FLips fans should like.

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25 . Blur | Parklife | 1994 | 1388,18





Biggest fans:
Romain #9, Nick #10, Listyguy #11, Honorio #11

Not a fan:
Gillingham #55/58

Comments:
"Easily the best Britpop album, but on repeat listens I find it a bit overstuffed."kingoftonga

"I have an inkling that Prince William and Kate Middleton planned their wedding for April of 2012 so that it coincided with the 1994 album poll, since I can't think of an album more sublimely appropriate than Parklife. There's something so remarkably BRITISH about it, and one of the songs is called "Jubilee", for crying out loud! While the band took a more American turn with their next two albums, this will always be their pinnacle, a perfect slice of britpop."
Zorg

"This album is whimsical and soothing in equal measures. And it kinda... sparkles. I love the sumptuous arrangements and there is something about the general sound of the music that has a ghostly quality unlike anything else."
Dan

"not only did the bouncy, disco-fied "Girls & Boys" and singalong chant "Parklife" become anthems in the U.K., but they inaugurated a new era of Brit-pop and lad culture, where British youth celebrated their country and traditions."
AMG

Place in year poll: 4

Place in the 2007 poll: 22 (-3)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 28 (+3)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 164






24 . Smashing Pumpkins | Siamese Dream | 1993 | 1396,30





Biggest fans:
Henry #4, Chris K #6, listyguy #12, VanillaFire1000 #12, Brad #14, Harold #15

Not a fan:
Michel 132/137

Comments:

"Although I like the singles better on Mellon Collie...I think this is just a tighter package. Just like the best shoegaze, it feels like the whole album kind of melds together."
VanillaFire1000

"Billy Corgan is a better guitarist than he is a singer, but occasionally the songwriting on this album is strong enough that I don’t notice the wispy voice or cringe-worthy lyrics.
kingoftonga

Place in year poll: 1

Place in the 2007 poll: 17 (-7)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 24 (0)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 150





23 . Pavement | Slanted and Enchanted | 1992 | 1404,52





Biggest fans:
Brad #1, Olivier #8, HRS #8, kingoftonga #12, Harold #13, beefsupreme #14

Not a fan:
Honorio #141, Dan #136, Michel #132/137

Comments:

"Probably Pavement's greatest album, and an amazing debut. I remember hearing this for the first time and wondering what the hell was going on. Dozens of listens later, I'm still not sure, but I'm impressed that its wonderful and bewildering enough to keep me coming back.
kingoftonga

"I was shocked at the people voting to take out Pavement in the Loophole round of Survivor. I think -- but may very well be wrong -- that some of them have only listened to this album and felt that the messiness overpowered the melodicism and songcraft. If that is the case, I see where they are coming from with this album, even if I do not agree. But I'd urge a listen to Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain and Brighten the Corners before passing final judgment on Pavement.
Schwah (2007)

" This is another incredibly influential album that without a doubt benefited from artwork that exactly captured the essence of the music"
Johnny Morgan and Ben Wardle, The Art of the LP

Place in year poll: 2

Place in the 2007 poll: 21 (-2)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 16 (-7)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 124

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby Zorg » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:02 pm

I really must listen to the Smashing Pumpkins soon. They're just one of those bands who slipped past the radar. Which one's easier to start with? Mellon Collie or Siamese Dream?

A really strong section there with Deserters' Songs, Ladies and Gentlemen (if this poll had happened a year ago, it would have been in my top 3) and Parklife.

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22 . Björk | Homogenic | 1997 | 1408,79





Biggest fans:
Moonbeam #2, Michel #4, kingoftonga #4, Romain #5, Gillingham #6, nicolas #9

Not a fan:
Henry #147

Comments:

"After some tough consideration, I have to put this one before Post. The tone seems more unified, and while it's not as big a leap forward, the songs are just a tad stronger on this one."kingoftonga

"For her third album, Björk achieved the perfect trip-hop album. Her songwriting, her voice, the string arrangements and beats, place her in my mind above the genre, towards the universal of pop music. And she gives everything she got to every song, and I like that."
nicolas

"Björk took her style further with the combination of lush orchestral arrangements with some electronic beats darker than before."
Honorio

"Oh christ, I'm happy I gave this album a couple of proper listens. One of the best things about Bjork in my opinion is that you can listen to a song of hers 20 times and you still wouldn't be able to sing along with it and predict when this drum-fill enters or those trumpets. Every song is full of so many curveballs, that repeated listening isn't not only useful, but mandatory. I love the ending too, with the crazy crazy song "Pluto" bringing in "All is Full of Love" perfectly.
Zorg

"This third album mixing strings and aggressive electronic beats shows her evolution towards a less demonstrative style, but still stunning by its lyricism and björk's control and mastery in music making"
Dictionary of Rock (French)

Place in year poll: 2

Place in the 2007 poll: 29 (+7)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 51 (+29)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 280






21 . Depeche Mode | Violator | 1990 | 1411,14





Biggest fans:
Henrik #3, Moonbeam #3, Olivier #6, Stephan #9, kingoftonga #10, Honorio #12, Dan #12

Not a fan:
none

Comments:

"An album that seems more as a summary of the 80s rather than a precursor to the 90s. Some of the songs run a little long, but there's no denying that Depeche Mode created one of the seminal synthpop albums. The percussion on "Personal Jesus" still makes it my favorite song, even though the board seems to prefer "Enjoy the Silence" (a fine song, but far from the album's best)."
kingoftonga

"Who says synth music can't have depth? The addition of electric guitars to Depeche Mode’s sound on this album was unobtrusive and the gothic flourishes also worked. And nearly every song is just so damn catchy!
Dan

"The masters of 80s techno pop stepped with confidence into the 90s, delivering the first electronica masterpiece of the decade."
Honorio

"The first album I listened to on this 1990s journey. Synths are probably an acquired taste - there are few synth albums(excepting Kraftwerk) which I find easy to listen to. Conventional wisdom says that synths are cold, inhuman - but Violator smashes that idea up and leaves it in the corner. From the very first song to the last, the album demands your attention and you can't help but give it. Goodies are abound - from Sweetest Perfection which hauntingly tells the tale of a drug addiction, to Enjoy The Silence to the most well known "Personal Jesus", which is as perfect as perfect gets.
Zorg

"In a word, stunning."
AMG

Place in year poll: 1

Place in the 2007 poll: 62 (+41 !!)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 83 (+62)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 489

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20 . Oasis | (What's the Story) Morning Glory? | 1995 | 1431,51





Biggest fans:
Henry #1, Nick #2, Rodney #6, Stephan #7, Superfurry #9, Brad #10, Greg #11

Not a fan:
Moonbeam 36/36, Gillingham #57/58, HRS 130/134, beefsupreme 123/125

Comments:

"I never think I like this album very much, but I put it on and it always surprises me. It's a sound that can grow tiring quickly, but works well when you're in the mood."kingoftonga

"Well, I think this one has, actually, more standout tracks then its antecessor. Oasis could spend at least 3 years only selling singles from this album, cause all tracks here are perfect. But there's one point here: it looks more like an agglomeration of hits than like an album as a unit. However, the tracks are so brilliantly enjoyable that the album is still one of my 10 favorite albums of his decade. Toni (2007)

"The record propelled Oasis from being a crossover indie act to a worldwide rock phenomenon, and according to music critics, it was a significant record in the timeline of British indie music"Wikipedia

Place in year poll: 3

Place in the 2007 poll: 14 (-6)

Acclaimed Music 1990s rank (top 200): 12 (-8)

Acclaimed Music all-time rank: 87

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:45 pm

THE love/hate album of this poll

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Postby Henrik » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:59 pm

nicolas wrote:
21 . Depeche Mode | Violator | 1990 | 1411,14

Place in the 2007 poll: 62 (+41 !!)

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Re: 90's album poll : the top 40

Postby nicolas » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:14 pm

Yeah great performance by DM! ! I was listening to a few tracks while I was preparing the post and I really liked it. I especially like Dave Grohl vocals. They are not cold or robotic at all unlike Kraftwerk or New Order. This poll made me appreciate a few works that are far from mynatural alley.


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