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Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:58 am

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Here's a spreadsheet with every song included on AM, that anyone can edit. I'm trying to find the genres (as listed on RYM) for as many songs as possible. If the song was released as a single, you can look at the genre tags for the single release, or you can look at the separate tags for individual album tracks. Only primary genre tags are necessary, secondary genre tags need not be listed. Oftentimes, the genres between single releases and album tracks may be contradicting, so if you're uncertain about a genre tag just put it down in the "additional notes" column. Since RYM itself is still in the preliminary stages of implementing song genres, don't worry too much about getting everything perfect right away - there's always time for revision.
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Post by panam » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:14 pm

Also when the single is not on RYM, you can check the Wikipedia page.

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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Krurze » Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:08 pm

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:58 am
or you can look at the separate tags for individual album tracks.
I am not a registered RYM user, and I don't see this feature over there. However on sonemic.com, which is the official successor to RYM and is currently in open beta, I can click on an individual track on an album page and then see genre tags for the individual song. I think this might be the best way to do this, since the genre tags for single releases also take into account the b-side, which may be differing stylistically from the acclaimed a-side. I think Wikipedia should only be used when there is no other option available since often it is not really clear how the consensus on what genre a specific song is was made or if there even is one.

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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Jap123 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:47 pm

Krurze wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:08 pm
Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:58 am
or you can look at the separate tags for individual album tracks.
I am not a registered RYM user, and I don't see this feature over there. However on sonemic.com, which is the official successor to RYM and is currently in open beta, I can click on an individual track on an album page and then see genre tags for the individual song. I think this might be the best way to do this, since the genre tags for single releases also take into account the b-side, which may be differing stylistically from the acclaimed a-side. I think Wikipedia should only be used when there is no other option available since often it is not really clear how the consensus on what genre a specific song is was made or if there even is one.
You have to go to the genre voting page for the album then on the left you can see the genre votes for each individual track

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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Krurze » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:37 pm

Jap123 wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:47 pm
You have to go to the genre voting page for the album then on the left you can see the genre votes for each individual track
Ok, thank you. I still think this is only for registered users (or I am too stupid to find it). But I guess it would be no problem to sign up quickly if someone wanted to help.

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Post by Holden » Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:44 pm

We just do primary genres, correct?
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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:39 am

Holden wrote:
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We just do primary genres, correct?
That is correct, same as with albums.
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Post by panam » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:06 pm

In this Google sheet are included the 2019 new songs update?

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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:15 pm

panam wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:06 pm
In this Google sheet are included the 2019 new songs update?
No, I copied the songs directly from the spreadsheet for the current update.
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Post by Jap123 » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:44 pm

Going to try and do some of these tonight, do we just want the first primary genre or if there are three or four should all of them go on?

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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:49 pm

Jap123 wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:44 pm
Going to try and do some of these tonight, do we just want the first primary genre or if there are three or four should all of them go on?
All of them go in, as is already the case with albums on the site.
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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:11 pm

Another thing to note: on RYM, with both albums and songs, there is a lot of redundant tagging (e.g. an album is tagged as both Dream Pop and Alternative Rock, even though Dream Pop is already categorized as a subgenre of Alternative Rock). Henrik, do you think people should try to avoid adding these redundancies to the spreadsheet, or is it not a big deal?
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Post by Henrik » Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:20 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:11 pm
Another thing to note: on RYM, with both albums and songs, there is a lot of redundant tagging (e.g. an album is tagged as both Dream Pop and Alternative Rock, even though Dream Pop is already categorized as a subgenre of Alternative Rock). Henrik, do you think people should try to avoid adding these redundancies to the spreadsheet, or is it not a big deal?
Not a big deal. I have a code written that handles this.
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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:23 am

Remember, please only list primary genres, not secondary genres! Thanks!
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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:09 pm

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:39 am
Holden wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:44 pm
We just do primary genres, correct?
That is correct, same as with albums.
I must re-emphasize this point, because I see there is (at least) one person who keeps adding the secondary genres (with the primary genres in bold) and I hate having to undo all their hard work!
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Post by mileswide » Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:18 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:09 pm
I must re-emphasize this point, because I see there is (at least) one person who keeps adding the secondary genres (with the primary genres in bold) and I hate having to undo all their hard work!
Sorry, that was me, I didn't fully take in the instructions at first. I've now stopped listing secondary genres though, so you can rest assured the only descriptors included by me from here on in are primary genres
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:04 pm

I'd like to give a big thanks to everybody who's helped out so far! We've made excellent progress!
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Post by panam » Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:31 am

More than 10000 songs! Henrik will be happy!

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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:12 pm

I suppose I should note here that the genre name "Lo-Fi Indie" has been changed to "Lo-Fi / Slacker Rock".
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Post by panam » Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:21 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:12 pm
I suppose I should note here that the genre name "Lo-Fi Indie" has been changed to "Lo-Fi / Slacker Rock".
I think the use of genres according RYM is only referential, no? I mean it won't change everytime changes on there, right? I remember they began using Allmusic.com as reference years ago.

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Post by Holden » Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:34 pm

Do we know what songs from 2018/2019 are going to be added, so we can add genres for those as well?
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Post by Henrik » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:11 am

Wohoo!!!! This is amaaaazing!!!

Last time I looked at the spreadsheet I only saw genres added for a few songs (maybe I looked at the additional notes column?) but now it is almost complete! :music-guitarred:

A BIG BIG thanks to everyone who has helped out here and to Sweepstakes Ron in particular for organizing this!!

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Post by Henrik » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:23 am

Holden wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:34 pm
Do we know what songs from 2018/2019 are going to be added, so we can add genres for those as well?
Added at the end of the list! :greetings-waveyellow:
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Post by Arsalan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 am

I think there are some songs that are going to be added from before 2018,So I guess we should add them too.

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Post by Henrik » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:37 am

Arsalan wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 am
I think there are some songs that are going to be added from before 2018,So I guess we should add them too.
Now they are included too.
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Post by Arsalan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:41 pm

Henrik wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:37 am
Arsalan wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 am
I think there are some songs that are going to be added from before 2018,So I guess we should add them too.
Now they are included too.
Great,Thanks.

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Post by Jap123 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:55 pm

It's all filled out now

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Post by panam » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:20 pm

Henrik wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:11 am
Wohoo!!!! This is amaaaazing!!!

Last time I looked at the spreadsheet I only saw genres added for a few songs (maybe I looked at the additional notes column?) but now it is almost complete! :music-guitarred:

A BIG BIG thanks to everyone who has helped out here and to Sweepstakes Ron in particular for organizing this!!

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Now, it's complete. Mission accomplished. 100%. Boom!!

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Re: Help wanted - genres for songs on AM

Post by Arsalan » Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:06 am

So now we can post song genre lists from non-genre sources,right?

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Post by Pieman » Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:07 am

Henrik, what work is still left to be done now before the update?

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Post by Henrik » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:00 am

Arsalan wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:06 am
So now we can post song genre lists from non-genre sources,right?
It will take some time until I have implemented these genre data. But you can always post song genre lists and add them to this topic: http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... f=3&t=4180
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Post by Henrik » Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:02 am

Pieman wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:07 am
Henrik, what work is still left to be done now before the update?
It’s mostly work for me, but I will ask for help with a few other things soon. Thanks!
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