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Post by Henrik » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:13 am

After several months of other priorities, I will now try to make another site update during the summer (only adding 2018 albums and songs) and I will need your help to collect various information.
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Post by Henrik » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:16 am

First request:

When I did the eoy 2018 songs spreadsheet, I was lazy and didn't update the links in the top row of the sheet. However, it shouldn't be too hard to go through the EOY 2018 forum and add the appropriate links to the spreadsheet that is attached here. I have added the link for Village Voice Pazz & Jop as an example.
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Post by BobPatience » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:20 am

Are the needed sources confined to the names of sites already in the spreadsheet? As many of the topics in the EOY 2018 forum do not seem to have an associated spot on the spreasheet.
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BobPatience wrote:Are the needed sources confined to the names of sites already in the spreadsheet? As many of the topics in the EOY 2018 forum do not seem to have an associated spot on the spreasheet.
I only need links for the songs lists.
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Post by BobPatience » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:22 am

All done, except for the HipHopDX and Pretty Much Amazing topics seemed to just contain an album list.
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BobPatience wrote:All done, except for the HipHopDX and Pretty Much Amazing topics seemed to just contain an album list.
That's great! Could you post it as an attachment here?
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Post by BobPatience » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:09 pm

This should work.

Bracketed names are names of the topics that where different from the names in the spreadsheet, but which I perceived to be the same site/magazine.
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Post by Henrik » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:24 pm

Perfect! Thanks BobPatience!
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:51 pm

I'm sure I said this before, but thank you for picking up the slack on the songs spreadsheet last year. I'm happy to take over again this year, and I'll remember to include the links in the spreadsheet.
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Sweepstakes Ron wrote:I'm sure I said this before, but thank you for picking up the slack on the songs spreadsheet last year. I'm happy to take over again this year, and I'll remember to include the links in the spreadsheet.
No problem, I enjoyed it a lot.

And thanks for offering your help for the 2019 sheet! This year there will also be the decade lists, so the work definitely has to be shared between several people.
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Post by Henrik » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:41 am

Three more spreadsheets to fill in. I have filled in the first row(s) in each spreadsheet, so I hope they are self-explanatory.

If you decide to fill in a spreadsheet, I suggest you let everyone know about it before you start, so that multiple people won't be working on the same task.

Thanks in advance! :greetings-waveyellow:
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Post by Bang Jan » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:42 am

I'll take the Spotify links.
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Bang Jan wrote:I'll take the Spotify links.
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Bang Jan wrote:I'll take the Spotify links.
And it's done!
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:49 pm

I’ll do RYM genres.
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Post by BobPatience » Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:09 pm

I'll do various info.

Question: does a group of artists still just count as artist?
Especially with hiphop groups that aren't a lead artist with features, but have (seemingly) multiple lead artists, like:
Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna - Te Boté (Remix)
Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - King's Dead
Lil Baby x Gunna - Drip Too Hard

And how to handle Country/State with multiple lead artists?

Additionally:
- What to do with bands fronted by both male and female musicians?
- Lotic seems to go as genderless
- What US state do I pick for the formation of boygenius and The Voidz?
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Post by Henrik » Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:58 pm

BobPatience wrote:I'll do various info.

Question: does a group of artists still just count as artist?
Especially with hiphop groups that aren't a lead artist with features, but have (seemingly) multiple lead artists, like:
Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna - Te Boté (Remix)
Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - King's Dead
Lil Baby x Gunna - Drip Too Hard

And how to handle Country/State with multiple lead artists?

Additionally:
- What to do with bands fronted by both male and female musicians?
- Lotic seems to go as genderless
- What US state do I pick for the formation of boygenius and The Voidz?
Sorry for leaving all those relevant questions to you...

First, I don't need info about featured artists. For artists with a main AM entry, I already have the info. Artists who don't have any AM albums/songs in their own name don't get an AM page.
Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna - Te Boté (Remix). Take Nicky Jam as the "lead artist", since he is the only one who has another AM song as a lead artist.
Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - King's Dead. I'm looking for Jay Rock here.
Lil Baby x Gunna - Drip Too Hard. None of these artists have another AM entry. In these cases I have usually treated the collaboration as a band. Questionable, but that's how it has been done... Same thing with Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey.
What to do with bands fronted by both male and female musicians? Count as female if it's at least 50% female vocals.
Lotic seems to go as genderless. The first article I stumbled on used "he", so let's go with that, even if that's not the artist's own choice. This is a dummy variable... :(
What US state do I pick for the formation of boygenius and The Voidz? New York seems appropriate for The Voidz. Leave blank for boygenius if there isn't any other good option.
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Post by BobPatience » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:35 pm

Henrik wrote: Sorry for leaving all those relevant questions to you...

First, I don't need info about featured artists. For artists with a main AM entry, I already have the info. Artists who don't have any AM albums/songs in their own name don't get an AM page.
Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna - Te Boté (Remix). Take Nicky Jam as the "lead artist", since he is the only one who has another AM song as a lead artist.
Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - King's Dead. I'm looking for Jay Rock here.
Lil Baby x Gunna - Drip Too Hard. None of these artists have another AM entry. In these cases I have usually treated the collaboration as a band. Questionable, but that's how it has been done... Same thing with Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey.
What to do with bands fronted by both male and female musicians? Count as female if it's at least 50% female vocals.
Lotic seems to go as genderless. The first article I stumbled on used "he", so let's go with that, even if that's not the artist's own choice. This is a dummy variable... :(
What US state do I pick for the formation of boygenius and The Voidz? New York seems appropriate for The Voidz. Leave blank for boygenius if there isn't any other good option.
Found on Lotic's FB page: i have made it clear on multiple occasions that i do not identify as male. my pronouns are they/them/their or she/her. So I'll add them as female.

Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey is multi-national (German and three Americans). Do I just count them as American then?

These are the rest of (hiphop) groups with no feature:
Kids See Ghosts (Kanye West and Kid Cudi, they both have an AM page already).

The Carters (Beyoncé and Jay-Z both an AM page too)

Nicky Jam feat. J Balvin. This seems to actually be credited as 'Nicky Jam x J. Balvin - X', indicating no features, but I'll add it with Nicky Jam as lead considering the 'Te Boté' case.

Artist name errors (I've not changed them in the spreadsheet):
'Fatouma Tadiawara' should be 'Fatoumata Diawara'
'Nicky Jam feat. J Balvin' should be 'Nicky Jam x J. Balvin'

I think these groups are (partly) fronted by women, but I don't know enough about them to be sure:
Bodega
Rolo Tomassi
Sunflower Bean
The Beths
The Carters

Here's the spreadsheet that I have so far. Anything mentioned up here is marked with a '*'
I'm happy to hear if something seems wrong, so I can either fix it or tell why I think it is right.
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Post by Henrik » Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:25 pm

Thanks BobPatience for your detailed work! I’ll let you know if I make/suggest any changes.

Should Kids See Ghosts’ AM entries show up on Kanye West’s and Kid Cudi’s pages? I thought KSG should be treated as a band duo, like Run the Jewels, with no entries on the separate members’ pages.
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Post by Rob » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:20 pm

Henrik wrote: Should Kids See Ghosts’ AM entries show up on Kanye West’s and Kid Cudi’s pages? I thought KSG should be treated as a band duo, like Run the Jewels, with no entries on the separate members’ pages.
I think it is really presented as a group work, like indeed Run the Jewels, and should follow suit.

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Post by panam » Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:31 am

Henrik wrote:
BobPatience wrote: Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna - Te Boté (Remix). Take Nicky Jam as the "lead artist", since he is the only one who has another AM song as a lead artist.
Actually the main artist here are Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell (in my opinion, they need to be considered as a band). They released the first version of "Te boté" on 2017

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_Bot%C3%A9

Months later, they release the remix with Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna (which all they are really famous in the reggaeton world) but Nicky Jam is not the main artist.

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BobPatience wrote:
Henrik wrote: Sorry for leaving all those relevant questions to you...

First, I don't need info about featured artists. For artists with a main AM entry, I already have the info. Artists who don't have any AM albums/songs in their own name don't get an AM page.
Casper Magico, Nio Garcia, Darell, Nicky Jam, Bad Bunny & Ozuna - Te Boté (Remix). Take Nicky Jam as the "lead artist", since he is the only one who has another AM song as a lead artist.
Jay Rock, Kendrick Lamar, Future & James Blake - King's Dead. I'm looking for Jay Rock here.
Lil Baby x Gunna - Drip Too Hard. None of these artists have another AM entry. In these cases I have usually treated the collaboration as a band. Questionable, but that's how it has been done... Same thing with Zedd, Maren Morris & Grey.
What to do with bands fronted by both male and female musicians? Count as female if it's at least 50% female vocals.
Lotic seems to go as genderless. The first article I stumbled on used "he", so let's go with that, even if that's not the artist's own choice. This is a dummy variable... :(
What US state do I pick for the formation of boygenius and The Voidz? New York seems appropriate for The Voidz. Leave blank for boygenius if there isn't any other good option.
Nicky Jam feat. J Balvin. This seems to actually be credited as 'Nicky Jam x J. Balvin - X', indicating no features, but I'll add it with Nicky Jam as lead considering the 'Te Boté' case.
In the case of the Nicky Jam and J Balvin song they released it as both main artists but the song was released with Sony (Nicky Jam label) and on the Nicky Jam's YouTube Channel, so considering Nicky as the main artist is accurate in this case.

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Post by StevieFan13 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:59 am

I’ve been doing some more list-scouting as of late soicsn post some of those. I also could dig through some of the lists that have been posted lately to make sure they do t get forgotten in the shuffle.
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StevieFan13 wrote:I’ve been doing some more list-scouting as of late soicsn post some of those. I also could dig through some of the lists that have been posted lately to make sure they do t get forgotten in the shuffle.
Of course that’s always appreciated, although I’m not able to promise when they will be added to AM...
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Henrik wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:I’ve been doing some more list-scouting as of late soicsn post some of those. I also could dig through some of the lists that have been posted lately to make sure they do t get forgotten in the shuffle.
Of course that’s always appreciated, although I’m not able to promise when they will be added to AM...
No need to promise anything! Just doesn’t hurt to have them in the running. I’ll just try not to overwhelm you like last time.
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:24 pm

All done!
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Henrik wrote:After several months of other priorities, I will now try to make another site update during the summer (only adding 2018 albums and songs) and I will need your help to collect various information.
Henrik, i think you should after that, make a state of play of Albums/Songs lists which are not included on AM.
It seems a lot of bit confused for me, and i think you're gonna loose some.

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Post by Henrik » Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:23 am

Thanks for all the help, everyone!!!

One thing that I didn't ask for was how the names should be listed in the alphabetic list. For example, "Jay Rock" or "Rock, Jay"? I usually look up the RYM profiles when I'm uncertain. In this particular case, the RYM profile says that Jay is the first name and Rock is the last name. But I feel hesitant to use "Rock, Jay". His real name is Johnny Reed McKinzie, Jr.
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/profil ... _id=193173

Anyone who knows a better source for this?
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Post by Rob » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:02 pm

Pseudonyms can still work with classic first and last names. I guess Jay Rock isn't a more unlikely artist name than, say, Iggy Pop and with him we count 'Pop' as a last name without question.

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Rob wrote:Pseudonyms can still work with classic first and last names. I guess Jay Rock isn't a more unlikely artist name than, say, Iggy Pop and with him we count 'Pop' as a last name without question.
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Me right now before the update

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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:28 pm

I just want to bring this up again in case it got lost in the shuffle before: I don't expect to occur this very update, but I firmly believe that the "1000 Songs to Change Your Life" book should be removed from AM (or, at least, severely cut down). My reasoning is (somewhat poorly) explained here: http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... 314#p99973
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Post by P.L.M. » Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:30 pm

Hello!
My english is far from being perfect and I can't help you with this, but I need to thank you all for your work and dedication. You are marvelous, men!
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Post by Bang Jan » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:57 pm

How close do you think we are to the update at this stage?
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Post by Henrik » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:45 am

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Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:57 pm
How close do you think we are to the update at this stage?
I have been wondering when this question would come. But it’s really more a question about how much time I have to do whatever is left. I prioritize kids, relations and exercise (and rest) this year, and right now my life is rather full with these things. Also, I have just been promoted to acting manager for a three months period at work. So I’m sorry, but I really can’t say right now.
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Post by keater » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:27 am

I'm willing.

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