REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

AMF WC Classics Edition

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The Smiths - How Soon is Now
17
9%
David Bowie - Golden Years
15
8%
The Beach Boys - God Only Knows
17
9%
Isaac Hayes - Walk on By (LP Version)
12
6%
A Tribe Called Quest - Scenario
12
6%
John Cale - Paris 1919
8
4%
Black Sabbath - Supernaut
8
4%
Spoon - The Underdog
7
4%
dEUS - Instant Street
9
5%
Aphex Twin - Ptolemy
5
3%
The Jam - Man in the Corner Shop
7
4%
Ash - Envy
4
2%
Wilco - Poor Places
8
4%
Nina Simone - Feeling Good
17
9%
Isaac Hayes - Ike's Mood/You've Lost that Feeling
4
2%
Natalie Imbruglia - Torn
10
5%
The Walker Brothers - Make it Easy on Yourself
6
3%
The New Pornographers - Letter from an Occupant
9
5%
CSS - Let's Make Love and Listen to Death from Above
12
6%
Swans - Eden Prison
5
3%
 
Total votes: 192

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REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:53 am

Welcome to instalment n°4 of the Classics Chart, where YOU get to nominate and vote for the best songs ever in a tournament to the death !

:scared-shocked: The momentum carries on with 178 votes - thank you for your loyalty !
:scared-shocked: Back to the top spot for the Smiths
:scared-shocked: New entries from David Bowie, dEUS & Aphex Twin
:scared-shocked: Pixies / The Fall & Tom Waits are out ! :text-bump:

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Enjoy voting for your favorite 10 songs... a difficult feat !

Top Chart (number of weeks as n°1)

The Smiths - How Soon is Now (2)
The Beach Boys - God Only Knows (1)
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:14 am

spiritualized wrote:



This is last week's playlist :mrgreen:

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:28 am

Rob wrote:
spiritualized wrote:

This is last week's playlist :mrgreen:



FIXED ! sorry ! thank you :)

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:29 am

My nomination - Mouse on Mars - Kanu

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:46 am

It seems Henrik thought that one 10 minute plus song by Isaac Hayes in a list of 20 songs isn't enough and added an even longer song by the man. Love the audacity. Though this is the first week I didn't vote for mister Hayes. Not because a lack of appreciation, but because of the ridiculous competition.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Brad » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:59 am

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:45 pm

List...becoming...too...good...can't...resist...


I once again nominate Baha Men - Who Let the Dogs Out.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Henrik » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:53 pm

BleuPanda wrote:List...becoming...too...good...can't...resist...


I once again nominate Baha Men - Who Let the Dogs Out.

-1 :whistle:
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:01 pm

Henrik wrote:
BleuPanda wrote:List...becoming...too...good...can't...resist...


I once again nominate Baha Men - Who Let the Dogs Out.

-1 :whistle:



Well, looks like someone here is adamant about keeping the dogs in...

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Postby Rdwdbob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:11 pm

My Morning Jacket - 'One Big Holiday'

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby StevieFan13 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:23 pm

BleuPanda wrote:
Henrik wrote:
BleuPanda wrote:List...becoming...too...good...can't...resist...


I once again nominate Baha Men - Who Let the Dogs Out.

-1 :whistle:



Well, looks like someone here is adamant about keeping the dogs in...

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby StevieFan13 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:24 pm

This’ll be my last “obvious” nomination for a while, but since it’s my favorite song, I can’t resist:
Stevie Wonder - Superstition
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Henrik » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:37 pm

What’s the purpose of these obvious nominations? I never vote for them.
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:44 pm

Henrik wrote:What’s the purpose of these obvious nominations? I never vote for them.


I do, because I prefer to play these games as straight as possible, but I also feel that too many proven classics in this list would greatly disrupt the fun of this poll for me. I don't mind a couple of classics in the mix, but with God Only Knows, How Soon Is Now, Golden Years and next week Superstition it is getting a bit much (I don't mind second tier classics, like Walk on By or Paris 1919).
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:02 pm

Henrik wrote:What’s the purpose of these obvious nominations? I never vote for them.



I was hoping there'd be, like, one top 100 (or even 500) song at a time. I think setting specific limits on the higher tier of the acclaimed music list would help this out. Having songs like God Only Knows and How Soon is Now as competition has definitely dampened my intention of nominating lesser known songs by favorite acts - I don't want to just toss my personal favorites to the dogs (I'd much rather toss the Dogs to the dogs).

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Bang Jan » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:08 pm

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:09 pm

BleuPanda wrote:
Henrik wrote:What’s the purpose of these obvious nominations? I never vote for them.



I was hoping there'd be, like, one top 100 (or even 500) song at a time. I think setting specific limits on the higher tier of the acclaimed music list would help this out. Having songs like God Only Knows and How Soon is Now as competition has definitely dampened my intention of nominating lesser known songs by favorite acts - I don't want to just toss my personal favorites to the dogs (I'd much rather toss the Dogs to the dogs).


I personally vote for the obvious nominations if I really do love them, but I said basically the same thing Bleu just said since before Week 1. I think attendance is high enough that imposing these limits shouldn't put a damper on the chart's activity.
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Rob wrote:
Henrik wrote:What’s the purpose of these obvious nominations? I never vote for them.


I do, because I prefer to play these games as straight as possible, but I also feel that too many proven classics in this list would greatly disrupt the fun of this poll for me. I don't mind a couple of classics in the mix, but with God Only Knows, How Soon Is Now, Golden Years and next week Superstition it getting a bit much (I don't mind second tier classics, like Walk on By or Paris 1919).


Yes that was always going to be the risk. But adding more rules seemed counter-intuitive. I am tempted to allow only ONE song per artist to avoid saturation of the obvious ones.
Notably so, no nomination for the Beatles...

And to be fair, I think the balance is quite right between outright classics, pearls that we forgot about and undiscovered gems....don't you ?

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby StevieFan13 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:22 pm

spiritualized wrote:
Rob wrote:
Henrik wrote:What’s the purpose of these obvious nominations? I never vote for them.


I do, because I prefer to play these games as straight as possible, but I also feel that too many proven classics in this list would greatly disrupt the fun of this poll for me. I don't mind a couple of classics in the mix, but with God Only Knows, How Soon Is Now, Golden Years and next week Superstition it getting a bit much (I don't mind second tier classics, like Walk on By or Paris 1919).


Yes that was always going to be the risk. But adding more rules seemed counter-intuitive. I am tempted to allow only ONE song per artist to avoid saturation of the obvious ones.
Notably so, no nomination for the Beatles...

And to be fair, I think the balance is quite right between outright classics, pearls that we forgot about and undiscovered gems....don't you ?

Two weeks ago I tried an undiscovered gem and it went nowhere, so I'm keeping it balanced. My tastes also just happen to naturally veer between outright classics and deep cuts.
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:24 pm

Bang Jan wrote:Komar and Melamid and Dave Soldier | The Most Unwanted Song


Ahahahah I am very seriously tempted to replace my nomination with Tenacious D's "Tribute" to counter that, Bang Jan :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:24 pm

spiritualized wrote:And to be fair, I think the balance is quite right between outright classics, pearls that we forgot about and undiscovered gems....don't you ?



I don't feel that way. Songs like "How Soon is Now" feel like black holes; of course they're going to move on to the next round (unless we become so over-saturated with classics that they start eliminating each other...). Having five spots feel like absolute guarantees makes me really hesitant when considering my own nomination.

What's the limit before something is added to the Hall of Fame? That might be the best way to limit songs that are too strong. It should probably be shorter than the Hall of Fame for the other chart to ensure this list stays fresh.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:29 pm

BleuPanda wrote:
spiritualized wrote:And to be fair, I think the balance is quite right between outright classics, pearls that we forgot about and undiscovered gems....don't you ?



I don't feel that way. Songs like "How Soon is Now" feel like black holes; of course they're going to move on to the next round (unless we become so over-saturated with classics that they start eliminating each other...). Having five spots feel like absolute guarantees makes me really hesitant when considering my own nomination.

What's the limit before something is added to the Hall of Fame? That might be the best way to limit songs that are too strong. It should probably be shorter than the Hall of Fame for the other chart to ensure this list stays fresh.


It's an idea - 8 weeks is the limit for the other Chart, was thinking of doing the same. I mean Pixies' Silver didn't make it 3 weeks...What do you think the limit should be ? I am open to anything, the idea that it remains fun and has a good balance without too many rules...

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:33 pm

spiritualized wrote:
BleuPanda wrote:
spiritualized wrote:And to be fair, I think the balance is quite right between outright classics, pearls that we forgot about and undiscovered gems....don't you ?



I don't feel that way. Songs like "How Soon is Now" feel like black holes; of course they're going to move on to the next round (unless we become so over-saturated with classics that they start eliminating each other...). Having five spots feel like absolute guarantees makes me really hesitant when considering my own nomination.

What's the limit before something is added to the Hall of Fame? That might be the best way to limit songs that are too strong. It should probably be shorter than the Hall of Fame for the other chart to ensure this list stays fresh.


It's an idea - 8 weeks is the limit for the other Chart, was thinking of doing the same. I mean Pixies' Silver didn't make it 3 weeks...What do you think the limit should be ? I am open to anything, the idea that it remains fun and has a good balance without too many rules...



Maybe 4 or 5? I think lasting that long here is a clear sign that it's a forum favorite considering the competition. 5 sounds suitably impressive.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:41 pm

I'm less inclined to turn this dissatisfaction into new rules, as more of a request to nominators to not keep nominating too many obvious winners [note: obvious winners on this forum means more than a top 500 placement; here Nina Simone's Sinnerman is an obvious winner, whereas Gene Vincent's Be-Bob-A-Lula, which ranks #137 on AM, arguably is not]. This game works best when it is about sharing songs others might have missed. If you approach it from a viewpoint of sharing instead of winning you are on the right track if you ask me.

My current nomination, The Underdog by Spoon, is on the AM list, but nobody ever seems to talk about it, so that's why I picked it. My next batch of nomination are probably not ranked at all. I have a personal rule: only have one nomination of mine on the chart, so I will only nominate something when The Underdog leaves.

I don't mind it taking 8 weeks to get to the hall of fame. This lists works a bit like a weekly radio program I tune into - Our Current Hits. A certain longevity adds to that feel. On the other hand, I've played How Soon Is Now and God Only Knows to death by now, so they kind of pass me by when they are playing.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:02 pm

Um... The Jam song isn't in the poll... :?
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rdwdbob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:13 pm

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:Um... The Jam song isn't in the poll... :?


It would have my vote ... if I could

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Wed Mar 14, 2018 5:55 pm

Yikes !!! So sorry guys !
I added The Jam and it cancelled all the votes :( :(

Would you mind voting again for those who have ?

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby DaveC » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:16 pm

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rdwdbob » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:22 pm

spiritualized wrote:Yikes !!! So sorry guys !
I added The Jam and it cancelled all the votes :( :(

Would you mind voting again for those who have ?


No problem! Thanks for the fix!

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby JohnnyBGoode » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:44 pm

I think there should ne a limit on "obvious" choices, say no more than 5 from the top 500 or so songs on AM otherwise its just going to end up with about 10 songs getting twice as many votes as all the new nominations every week and be just like a best songs ever poll on a constant loop. Nothing wrong with that on a separate thread, but not sure it was what was intended here.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:46 pm

spiritualized wrote:Yikes !!! So sorry guys !
I added The Jam and it cancelled all the votes :( :(

Would you mind voting again for those who have ?



Hmm...you might want to make another thread in case those who already voted don't bother checking back in.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby JohnnyBGoode » Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:52 pm

The balance may be just about ok but only cos its week 4. By week 10 ...

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Toni » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:09 am

I think that’s due to the game’s name. Maybe some people, like Rdwdbob, see “Classics” in the thread’s name and that’s what they exactly nominate.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:48 am

Actually, screw it. I'll take back my joke nomination and nominate a song I fell in love with recently that I never see discussed and just hope it can somehow keep even half in-step with the big hits:
The Antlers - Bear


And if it flops in its first appearance...it's The Baha Men from here on out.





(that last part is a joke - never in my life do I plan to learn of the existence of any other song by that band)

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rob » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:25 am

BleuPanda wrote:(that last part is a joke - never in my life do I plan to learn of the existence of any other song by that band)


Actually, Who Let the Dogs Out isn't really representative for the Baha Men sound and their other works breach a wide variety of styles. Who Let the Dogs Out worked as a double-edged sword: it brought them fame, but also kept serious music lovers away from their deeper cuts, that would appeal more to connoisseurs than mainstream audiences.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Brad » Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:49 am

Rob wrote:
BleuPanda wrote:Actually, Who Let the Dogs Out isn't really representative for the Baha Men sound and their other works breach a wide variety of styles. Who Let the Dogs Out worked as a double-edged sword: it brought them fame, but also kept serious music lovers away from their deeper cuts, that would appeal more to connoisseurs than mainstream audiences.
This is interesting - I never knew anything about Baha Men.

I would make the same case for Chumbawamba, who released some great albums in a variety of styles (with a strong political bend) prior to "Tubthumping," which pretty much sealed their fate as one-hit wonders here in the States.

Also, Dexy's Midnight Runners (at least in the U.S.)... ever try to convince a casual music listener how great these guys were apart from "Come On Eileen"? It's a tough sell!

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rdwdbob » Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:38 pm

Toni wrote:I think that’s due to the game’s name. Maybe some people, like Rdwdbob, see “Classics” in the thread’s name and that’s what they exactly nominate.


Toni - You hit the nail on the head!! I was just looking to respond to that point directly! I certainly don't mind some kind of limit (perhaps have a cap on the number of 'classics' that make it through the next week to five?) but if we restrict those 'classics' too much we should change the thread's name to something like the 'Bubbling Under' or 'Best of All' ... That being said I like the thread just the way it is. (kudos Spiritualized for putting this together - it's fun) :music-rockon:

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby BleuPanda » Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:40 pm

Rdwdbob wrote:
Toni wrote:I think that’s due to the game’s name. Maybe some people, like Rdwdbob, see “Classics” in the thread’s name and that’s what they exactly nominate.


Toni - You hit the nail on the head!! I was just looking to respond to that point directly! I certainly don't mind some kind of limit (perhaps have a cap on the number of 'classics' that make it through the next week to five?) but if we restrict those 'classics' too much we should change the thread's name to something like the 'Bubbling Under' or 'Best of All' ... That being said I like the thread just the way it is. (kudos Spiritualized for putting this together - it's fun) :music-rockon:



I mean, a classic can be any older song that any of us have high respect for...music must be boring if you think only songs in the top 1000 or so on acclaimed music are worthy of being called classics.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Mulholland » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:53 pm

I'd like to nominate Stolen Car by Beth Orton :)

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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:57 pm

We're approximately 50 votes down from last week - so a reminder to those who didn't see it : the first 40 or so votes got cancelled following the addition of a forgotten track in the chart.
If you had voted before, check your votes have been recorded. If not, please vote again !

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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Henrik » Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:21 am

I am shocked that Isaac Hayes' "Ike's Mood/You've Lost that Lovin' Feelin'" only has my vote. :( :(
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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Rob » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:06 am

Henrik wrote:I am shocked that Isaac Hayes' "Ike's Mood/You've Lost that Lovin' Feelin'" only has my vote. :( :(


I think it is hurt by the other Isaac Hayes track. With so many strong choices it invites you to vote for only one of them. Ike's Mood is pretty great, but I think Walk On By is the best of the two.

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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Henrik » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:19 am

Rob wrote:
Henrik wrote:I am shocked that Isaac Hayes' "Ike's Mood/You've Lost that Lovin' Feelin'" only has my vote. :( :(


I think it is hurt by the other Isaac Hayes track. With so many strong choices it invites you to vote for only one of them. Ike's Mood is pretty great, but I think Walk On By is the best of the two.

I nominated the song inspired by the success of “Walk on By”, but I guess you are right. Also, the competition overall is really strong.
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Henrik » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:31 am

Rob wrote:It seems Henrik thought that one 10 minute plus song by Isaac Hayes in a list of 20 songs isn't enough and added an even longer song by the man. Love the audacity. Though this is the first week I didn't vote for mister Hayes. Not because a lack of appreciation, but because of the ridiculous competition.

Haha, just saw this comment now.
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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Henrik » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:35 am

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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Romain » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:24 pm

Can we vote for "Je t'aime, moi non plus" ?

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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby spiritualized » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:41 pm

Romain wrote:Can we vote for "Je t'aime, moi non plus" ?

Bien sûr, if there are less than 10 nominations this week. Otherwise, bide your time and nominate next week !

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Re: REMINDER : Missing Votes !! AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby Romain » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:35 pm

Thank you.

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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby DocBrown » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:46 pm

Mulholland wrote:I'd like to nominate Stolen Car by Beth Orton :)


Seconded
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Re: AMF WC Classics Edition 04

Postby StevieFan13 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:59 pm

DocBrown wrote:
Mulholland wrote:I'd like to nominate Stolen Car by Beth Orton :)


Seconded

Thirded, and I’ll nominate She Cries Your Name another week.
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