Re: Women in Music All-Time Lists - Submissions (Song Deadline February 15)
Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:11 pm
I'm going to say the hard deadline is tomorrow morning or when Father2TheMan submits their list, whichever comes first.
Discussions About the Most Recommended Albums and Songs of All Time
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panam wrote:I made a change to my song list
I've just replace the 82th position)BleuPanda wrote:panam wrote:I made a change to my song list
What was the change? It looks the same to me.
That's a male, pretty sure cisgender. The main female member (the co lead singer) is Clémence Quélénnec.jamieW wrote:BleuPanda, here's my final artist list. (Please scrap my earlier one.)
82. Sacha Got (La Femme)
Wow, I wonder how I arrived at that information. (Especially since I researched to avoid any embarrassing mistakes - how did that work out for me?) Thanks, Nassim - I'll make the change.Nassim wrote:That's a male, pretty sure cisgender. The main female member (the co lead singer) is Clémence Quélénnec.jamieW wrote:BleuPanda, here's my final artist list. (Please scrap my earlier one.)
82. Sacha Got (La Femme)
Jirin wrote:7. Carrie Brownstein (How can I pick one from Sleater-Kinney?!)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Bodak Yellow" straight-up takes the flow and beat from a track by a male rapper (Kodak Black). So in a way you are doing the same thing? Also, it is for me personally one of the aspects of the track that rubs me the wrong way.BleuPanda wrote:
Honestly, this is a gripe I've had with this forum for a while now; Kelis, Missy Elliott, Cardi B...people actively lash out at women who express themselves with crassness, and people seem to actively encourage it. The discussion around "Bodak Yellow" was honestly one of the most disappointing things I've seen on this forum - the lack of self-awareness that this is yet another highly acclaimed and popular song by a black woman that we don't just not care for but feel the need to express our disdain for. Men are allowed anything, but it's clear women have to present themselves in a certain way here; it's no coincidence that the third highest act on acclaimed music to not be in our Hall of Acclaim is Missy Elliott.
Like, really, if "Bodak Yellow" was the song that tipped the scale to make you think critics don't know what they're talking about anymore, maybe you really, really need to sit down and think about what that song represents and what its existence means - if you think it's a song simply about bragging, you're missing the context. (and it's funny, the song I find myself comparing it to the most in a structural sense is Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit - both songs feel like a constant build that never grants the safety of release. I'm surprised it's so popular, as 'Bodak Yellow' actively makes me feel on edge as I listen).
Amen to all of this.BleuPanda wrote:Like, I'm not imagining that we just ranked MASSEDUCTION as our #2 album of last year along with "Los Ageless" as our number 3 song? Along with her self-titled being our #3 for 2014 and Digital Witness being in our top 10 for that year (and Strange Mercy also placing in our top 10 for 2011)? And now she's being outclassed by artists we collectively like a single song by?
Circling back to that post I made breaking down how the representation of women in critical lists has improved greatly over time, it's really disappointing to see so many users here pretty much ignoring modern women (especially in favor of acts that by all means are men who decided to have women perform their songs).
Honestly, this is a gripe I've had with this forum for a while now; Kelis, Missy Elliott, Cardi B...people actively lash out at women who express themselves with crassness, and people seem to actively encourage it. The discussion around "Bodak Yellow" was honestly one of the most disappointing things I've seen on this forum - the lack of self-awareness that this is yet another highly acclaimed and popular song by a black woman that we don't just not care for but feel the need to express our disdain for. Men are allowed anything, but it's clear women have to present themselves in a certain way here; it's no coincidence that the third highest act on acclaimed music to not be in our Hall of Acclaim is Missy Elliott.
Like, really, if "Bodak Yellow" was the song that tipped the scale to make you think critics don't know what they're talking about anymore, maybe you really, really need to sit down and think about what that song represents and what its existence means - if you think it's a song simply about bragging, you're missing the context. (and it's funny, the song I find myself comparing it to the most in a structural sense is Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit - both songs feel like a constant build that never grants the safety of release. I'm surprised it's so popular, as 'Bodak Yellow' actively makes me feel on edge as I listen)
And while St. Vincent obviously isn't in that same class of women, she's still an artist intentionally defying our view of gender - it's just funny to me that, here on this forum that so clearly favors rock above other genres, we are ignoring one of the most successful artists to make it big in that genre in the current era, who also has a lot of connections to forum favorites.
I guess what's frustrating me is that, until running these polls, I thought St. Vincent was viewed as one of the consensus best artists of the 2010s, among both men and women.
prosecutorgodot wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Bodak Yellow" straight-up takes the flow and beat from a track by a male rapper (Kodak Black). So in a way you are doing the same thing? Also, it is for me personally one of the aspects of the track that rubs me the wrong way.BleuPanda wrote:
Honestly, this is a gripe I've had with this forum for a while now; Kelis, Missy Elliott, Cardi B...people actively lash out at women who express themselves with crassness, and people seem to actively encourage it. The discussion around "Bodak Yellow" was honestly one of the most disappointing things I've seen on this forum - the lack of self-awareness that this is yet another highly acclaimed and popular song by a black woman that we don't just not care for but feel the need to express our disdain for. Men are allowed anything, but it's clear women have to present themselves in a certain way here; it's no coincidence that the third highest act on acclaimed music to not be in our Hall of Acclaim is Missy Elliott.
Like, really, if "Bodak Yellow" was the song that tipped the scale to make you think critics don't know what they're talking about anymore, maybe you really, really need to sit down and think about what that song represents and what its existence means - if you think it's a song simply about bragging, you're missing the context. (and it's funny, the song I find myself comparing it to the most in a structural sense is Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit - both songs feel like a constant build that never grants the safety of release. I'm surprised it's so popular, as 'Bodak Yellow' actively makes me feel on edge as I listen).
I personally think the track is just mediocre, but I respect it's place in the culture. I personally like to rank tracks by my personal enjoyment, and not by what I deem "important." If I did, then hell yeah, "Bodak" would be in my top ten of the year.
For what it's worth, St. Vincent would be on my artist list, so if you would like, I will quickly put together an artist list for the poll. I haven't made my list because I wanted to take my time with it, but I can adjust.