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Aside from the Top 30 R.E.M. Songs in progress right now, here are some other lists I hope we can put our heads together for. In each case, people would list their personal picks (or, in some cases, rank the given options) for each topic, then once a formal list has been drafted, different people can take care of different blurbs.
Here are a few I've been thinking of - feel free to chip in lists you've always wanted to get multiple people collaborating on!
For clarification, it'd be a new list each week, give or take blurb-writing time.
- Top 50 Rolling Stones Songs
- Ranking Every Oasis Single
- Top 50 Stevie Wonder Songs
- Top 30 Pixies Songs
- Top 50 Damon Albarn Songs (all projects considered; partially suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Green Day Songs
- Top 30 Kanye West Songs
- The 100 Weirdest Songs Ever
- Ranking Every George Michael Single (should this also include Wham!?)
- Top 30 A Tribe Called Quest Songs
- Top 30 Public Enemy Songs
- 50 Songs Due for Re-Examination (based on the "Songs everyone hates that you like" thread)
- 50 Most Underrated Songs of the '70s/'80s/'90s/'00s
- 20 Best UK No. 1 Singles
- 100 Best US No. 1 Singles
- Top 30 Joni Mitchell Songs
- Top 30 New Order Songs
- Ranking Every Depeche Mode Single
- Top 30 Arcade Fire Songs
- Ranking Every Strokes Song
- Top 30 Bikini Kill Songs
- Top 30 Billy Joel Songs
- Top 30 Queen Songs
- The 500 Best Women-in-Music Songs (this'll be a bigger one)
- Top 30 Neil Young Songs (suggested by Live in Phoenix)
- Top 30 Elvis Presley Songs (suggested by Live in Phoenix)
- Top 30 OutKast Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Nas Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 50 Jay Z Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Every Eric B. and Rakim Track Ranked (suggested by bootsy; this'll probably be culled from individual album rankings)
- Top 30 Wu-Tang Clan Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Wu-Tang Solo Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Beastie Boys Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Every Run-DMC Single Ranked (suggested by bootsy; singles as lead artists only)
- Top 30 D'Angelo Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Mary J. Blige Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Erykah Badu Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Smiths Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Parliament-Funkadelic Songs (suggested by bootsy; I may just open up the floodgates and have this represent all of George Clinton's work)
- Top 30 Marvin Gaye Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Roots Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 50 Paul Simon/Simon & Garfunkel Songs
- Top 30 Kraftwerk Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Metallica Songs (suggested by bootsy)
- Top 30 Dusty Springfield Songs (suggested by babydoll)
- Top 30 ABBA Songs
- Top 50 Nick Cave Songs (all projects considered; suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Beatles Solo Songs
- Top 50 Dave Grohl Songs (Foo Fighters/Nirvana/Queens of the Stone Age/Them Crooked Vultures, etc. - might just be Foo Fighters if not enough people are interested in combing through everything Grohl's done)
- Top 30 PJ Harvey Songs
- Top 50 Disco Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 100 Funk Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 50 Glam Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 100 Post-Punk Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 50 Synthpop Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 30 Eurythmics Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 50 Prince Songs (suggested by Moonbeam - should this be another "rank the singles," just to narrow the field and make it more interesting?)
- Top 30 Cure Songs (suggested by Moonbeam)
- Top 30 Replacements Songs
- Top 30 Underrated Soul/R&B Songs
- Top 100 Punk Songs
- Top 30 Ska Songs
- Top 50 Reggae Songs
- Top 50 French chanson songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Yé-yé songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 French house/French Touch songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 French prog rock/experimental songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Édith Piaf songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 50 Georges Brassens songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Jacques Brel songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Léo Ferré songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Johnny Hallyday songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Françoise Hardy songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Serge Gainsbourg songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Téléphone songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Alain Bashung songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Étienne Daho songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Mano Negra + Manu Chao songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Noir Désir songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Phoenix songs (suggested by Pierre)
- Top 30 Benjamin Biolay songs (suggested by Pierre)
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A lot of these sound fine, but we'd definitely need more than a day. It sounds like you already want to wrap up the R.E.M. list. Our quicker sort of lists on the forum usually run for a week.
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Live in Phoenix wrote:A lot of these sound fine, but we'd definitely need more than a day. It sounds like you already want to wrap up the R.E.M. list. Our quicker sort of lists on the forum usually run for a week.
Oh yeah, definitely. Never thought it'd take a day for each list. I'm just excited, is all.
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Live in Phoenix wrote:A lot of these sound fine, but we'd definitely need more than a day. It sounds like you already want to wrap up the R.E.M. list. Our quicker sort of lists on the forum usually run for a week.
You have any list ideas?
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Live in Phoenix wrote:A lot of these sound fine, but we'd definitely need more than a day. It sounds like you already want to wrap up the R.E.M. list. Our quicker sort of lists on the forum usually run for a week.
You have any list ideas?
Oh, nothing that amazing, at least off the top of my head. Neil Young and Elvis come to mind.
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I'm not a songs person but these lists are pretty interesting. I might participate in a few of them.
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I'm excited about the Kanye one. I think that would get many participants too.
I feel like that
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bootsy wrote:I'm not a songs person but these lists are pretty interesting. I might participate in a few of them.
Thinking I'll do a few rap ones too (Public Enemy and Tribe both deserve lists - particularly the latter after that disappointing top 30 XXL posted). Any you'd also suggest?
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PlasticRam wrote:I'm excited about the Kanye one. I think that would get many participants too.
Every music critic's favorite rapper! :D I'm pumped for that one too.
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StevieFan13 wrote:
bootsy wrote:I'm not a songs person but these lists are pretty interesting. I might participate in a few of them.
Thinking I'll do a few rap ones too (Public Enemy and Tribe both deserve lists - particularly the latter after that disappointing top 30 XXL posted). Any you'd also suggest?
Hip-Hop:
Outkast
Nas
Jay-Z
Eric B & Rakim
Wu-Tang/solo Wu-Tang
Beastie Boys
Run-DMC
The Roots

Non Hip-Hop:
D'Angelo
Mary J. Blige
Erykah Badu
The Smiths
Funkadelic
Marvin Gaye
Kraftwerk
Metallica
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Added three more StevieFan:
Metallica
The Roots
Kraftwerk
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bootsy wrote:Added three more StevieFan:
Metallica
The Roots
Kraftwerk
Noted
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Green Day does not warrant a top 50 songs poll. Try 30.

Stevie Wonder also does not warrant a top 100 songs poll. WAY, WAY TOO MUCH.
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Oh, and if we're suggesting things, I'd like to suggest a top 30 Dusty Springfield song poll.
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babydoll wrote:Green Day does not warrant a top 50 songs poll. Try 30.

Stevie Wonder also does not warrant a top 100 songs poll. WAY, WAY TOO MUCH.
Yeah, I might've been overzealous with Green Day. 30'll do.
Top 50 for Stevie then? Guy's got a big discography. I have no idea how so many publications only do top 10s for him when he's got a bottomless pit of great songs.
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babydoll wrote:Oh, and if we're suggesting things, I'd like to suggest a top 30 Dusty Springfield song poll.
Your wish is my command!
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Also, babydoll: got any good anime recs? I love Hayao Miyazaki, and judging by your thumbnail, it looks like you do too.
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StevieFan13 wrote:Also, babydoll: got any good anime recs? I love Hayao Miyazaki, and judging by your thumbnail, it looks like you do too.
Make a thread in the film board then tell me what movies you've seen.
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StevieFan13 wrote:
babydoll wrote:Green Day does not warrant a top 50 songs poll. Try 30.
Yeah, I might've been overzealous with Green Day. 30'll do.
Lol, I'd be fine with 50, even 100. ;)
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prosecutorgodot wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:
babydoll wrote:Green Day does not warrant a top 50 songs poll. Try 30.
Yeah, I might've been overzealous with Green Day. 30'll do.
Lol, I'd be fine with 50, even 100. ;)
50 works for me too, but to get the most bang for the buck, I guess I'll have to stick with 30.
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StevieFan13 wrote: 50 works for me too, but to get the most bang for the buck, I guess I'll have to stick with 30.
I hate to bring up my other post at the top of this page, but the number of songs voted for by individuals can be different from the final number presented. For example, each person could vote for between 15 and 25 songs, but the final aggregate list can feature 100 (unique) songs.
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I suggest you "open the floodgates" for Damon Albarn. Instead of just a Blur top, you could make it a top for Blur + Gorillaz + The Good, the Bad & the Queen + solo Albarn + whatever other projects he collaborated to, and turn it into a top 50.

Then again, that's just me - maybe other people would disagree.

Oh, and I'd like a top 50 Nick Cave songs please (covering all projects from Boys Next Door to Grinderman).
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StevieFan13 wrote: 50 works for me too, but to get the most bang for the buck, I guess I'll have to stick with 30.
I hate to bring up my other post at the top of this page, but the number of songs voted for by individuals can be different from the final number presented. For example, each person could vote for between 15 and 25 songs, but the final aggregate list can feature 100 (unique) songs.
I was thinking of that. I figured the limit would be half the list (10-15 for a top 30, 10-25 for a top 50, 10-50 for a top 100, etc.). In terms of individual songs, the top spots are going to be the highest rankers, of course (for instance, it looks like "Radio Free Europe" will be declared the #1 R.E.M. song, unless more people put in a good word for "Losing My Religion"), but since I'm the one assembling these lists, either I'll say which of the 1-list receivers make the cut or I'll set them up as a separate vote for which runner-up deserves a spot the most.
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Pierre wrote:I suggest you "open the floodgates" for Damon Albarn. Instead of just a Blur top, you could make it a top for Blur + Gorillaz + The Good, the Bad & the Queen + solo Albarn + whatever other projects he collaborated to, and turn it into a top 50.

Then again, that's just me - maybe other people would disagree.

Oh, and I'd like a top 50 Nick Cave songs please (covering all projects from Boys Next Door to Grinderman).
I like that. Solo Beatles as well?
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StevieFan13 wrote:Solo Beatles as well?
Well, what would that be? A common list for the four or individual lists (not sure there would be much contributions for George and Ringo though?)?
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Pierre wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Solo Beatles as well?
Well, what would that be? A common list for the four or individual lists (not sure there would be much contributions for George and Ringo though?)?
I was thinking a common list for the four (saves us from having to deal with the skimpier catalogues and the crappier Paul songs).
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StevieFan13 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Solo Beatles as well?
Well, what would that be? A common list for the four or individual lists (not sure there would be much contributions for George and Ringo though?)?
I was thinking a common list for the four (saves us from having to deal with the skimpier catalogues and the crappier Paul songs).
Thought the same. Be careful, however, I believe there are serious Paul fans on the forum ;)
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BTW, Romain, Bruno, Blanco - any international list ideas?
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I'd love to get more AM participation (and participation in general) for the Prince song poll that I am running.
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Genre ones I'd love to see:

Top 50/100 disco songs
Top 50/100 funk songs
Top 50/100 glam songs
Top 50/100 post-punk songs
Top 50/100 synthpop songs

Artists:

Prince (mentioned above)
Eurythmics (30?)
The Cure (30? 50?)
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Mine's less of a vote and more of a "staff list" kind of deal (like we're a music magazine or something, lol). But everyone should participate in your vote.
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Moonbeam wrote:Genre ones I'd love to see:

Top 50/100 disco songs
Top 50/100 funk songs
Top 50/100 glam songs
Top 50/100 post-punk songs
Top 50/100 synthpop songs

Artists:

Prince (mentioned above)
Eurythmics (30?)
The Cure (30? 50?)
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Moonbeam wrote: Top 50/100 funk songs
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StevieFan13 wrote:
Moonbeam wrote: Top 50/100 funk songs
You're a man after my own heart.
Shit, let's make it 500 then. 8-)
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Moonbeam wrote:
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Moonbeam wrote: Top 50/100 funk songs
You're a man after my own heart.
Shit, let's make it 500 then. 8-)
Hell, if there's a 500-song list for northern soul, who's to say we can't pick the 500 best funk songs? (sticking at 100 for now, but catch me in a good mood and it might be 250).
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Will the glam songs top also include the glam metal/hair metal of the 1980s, or do we stick to the traditional glam rock era? If the latter, is it worth it to make a separate glam metal top (not sure there would be much contributions from this forum, though)?
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Pierre wrote:Will the glam songs top also include the glam metal/hair metal of the 1980s, or do we stick to the traditional glam rock era? If the latter, is it worth it to make a separate glam metal top (not sure there would be much contributions from this forum, though)?
I'd definitely participate in a glam metal poll!
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Moonbeam wrote:
Pierre wrote:Will the glam songs top also include the glam metal/hair metal of the 1980s, or do we stick to the traditional glam rock era? If the latter, is it worth it to make a separate glam metal top (not sure there would be much contributions from this forum, though)?
I'd definitely participate in a glam metal poll!
That could be fun. However, a set of rules is necessary on a number of cases, and the more I think about it, the longer the list gets.
- Is Elton John associated with glam rock? My personal opinion is he shouldn't.
- Are Kiss and Alice Cooper considered glam rock or glam metal? If we consider they're both, should we fix a point where they switch genres?
- What about Van Halen, Aerosmith, Whitesnake? Some of their output is sometimes associated with glam metal, but not everything.
- Are Guns N' Roses considered glam metal? I've seen them associated with the scene a few times. My personal opinion is they should be.
- Have Pat Benatar, Scorpions or Cheap Trick ever been associated with glam metal? I don't think so, but maybe it's worth checking?
- What about visual kei? My personal opinion is it should be excluded.

Well, a few headscratchers in there. At least to me. And I may forget some.
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Pierre wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:
Pierre wrote:Will the glam songs top also include the glam metal/hair metal of the 1980s, or do we stick to the traditional glam rock era? If the latter, is it worth it to make a separate glam metal top (not sure there would be much contributions from this forum, though)?
I'd definitely participate in a glam metal poll!
That could be fun. However, a set of rules is necessary on a number of cases, and the more I think about it, the longer the list gets.
- Is Elton John associated with glam rock? My personal opinion is he shouldn't.
- Are Kiss and Alice Cooper considered glam rock or glam metal? If we consider they're both, should we fix a point where they switch genres?
- What about Van Halen, Aerosmith, Whitesnake? Some of their output is sometimes associated with glam metal, but not everything.
- Are Guns N' Roses considered glam metal? I've seen them associated with the scene a few times. My personal opinion is they should be.
- Have Pat Benatar, Scorpions or Cheap Trick ever been associated with glam metal? I don't think so, but maybe it's worth checking?
- What about visual kei? My personal opinion is it should be excluded.

Well, a few headscratchers in there. At least to me. And I may forget some.
It'd probably help to use previous lists as points of reference (I know Stereogum, Diffuser, and I'm pretty sure Ultimate Classic Rock and Loudwire all did glam lists).
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Also: if Guns N Roses is being counted as glam metal, would Joan Jett and Heart be as well?
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StevieFan13 wrote:Also: if Guns N Roses is being counted as glam metal, would Joan Jett and Heart be as well?
I've been wondering that as well, although the name that popped first was Pat Benatar. Lita Ford is often associated with the glam metal scene.
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By my research, these guys are all cosidered glam rock:
- Slade
- T. Rex
- Mott the Hoople
- David Bowie (from about Hunky Dory through Young Americans)
- Alice Cooper
- Roxy Music
- Lou Reed
- Bonnie St. Clair
- The Stooges (or, at least, Raw Power is considered glam rock)
- New York Dolls
- The Sweet
- Mud
- Suzi Quatro
- Sparks
- Iron
- Skyhooks
- Wizzard
- Brett Smiley
- Hector
- Sweeney Todd
- Iron Virgin

And glam metal would be:
- Guns N' Roses
- KISS
- Van Halen
- Motley Crue
- Def Leppard
- Scorpions
- Bon Jovi
And too many others to name. (I saw KISS and Lita Ford on the list linked below, and Alice Cooper was on a glam rock list, so I think the way to separate them is to say KISS is glam metal and Alice Cooper is glam rock. No mention of Heart, Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, or Aerosmith, though. And while KISS as a whole may be glam metal, Ace Frehey's "New York Groove" - which I'd include automatically - strikes me as more glam rock.)
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mmmm this is very reminiscent of the genre game that BleuPanda wanted to run at some point. I'm all for it, but in a game form rather than a "best of " list.
As for who's included in what genres, the genre list here on AM seemed fitting ?


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spiritualized wrote:mmmm this is very reminiscent of the genre game that BleuPanda wanted to run at some point. I'm all for it, but in a game form rather than a "best of " list.
As for who's included in what genres, the genre list here on AM seemed fitting ?
I dunno. I wanted to do a separate thing from a game (it's easier for me to manage, for one thing), but some of these could be re-worked into games. The R.E.M. list has just been working out really well and I want to do more stuff like it.
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Gives me material for my blog, too.
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StevieFan13 wrote:By my research, these guys are all cosidered glam rock:
(list)

And glam metal would be:
(list)

And too many others to name. (I saw KISS and Lita Ford on the list linked below, and Alice Cooper was on a glam rock list, so I think the way to separate them is to say KISS is glam metal and Alice Cooper is glam rock. No mention of Heart, Pat Benatar, Joan Jett, or Aerosmith, though. And while KISS as a whole may be glam metal, Ace Frehey's "New York Groove" - which I'd include automatically - strikes me as more glam rock.)
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That's interesting but I'm afraid it's more complicated than that. As for the link, it's from DDD, which is not a professional website (that's why their lists aren't included on AM), so I'm not sure I'd trust them (although the tracks from this particular top 100 do fit the glam metal bill to my eyes).

That's only my personal opinion, but I believe time-based criteria and case-by-case analyses are needed for the more contentious cases.

Here are a few lists which cover glam rock:
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... f=3&t=4196&
http://www.stereogum.com/1903210/34-ess ... -playlist/
http://diffuser.fm/underrated-glam-songs/
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/70s-glam-rock-songs/

And a few which cover glam metal:
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... f=3&t=4928&
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... f=3&t=4900&
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... f=3&t=4260&

As you can see, Kiss and Alice Cooper cross over. Aerosmith are mentioned too - I believe the criterion is the music has to be produced by Bruce Fairbairn, who was most famous as a producer for hair metal acts. The Black Crowes are included, but to me that's pushing it.

Also mentioned for glam rock are Elton John, Brian Eno, Electric Light Orchestra and Queen, but I'm a bit unsure about these.

More opinions might be welcome.
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Maybe we just cross that bridge when we get to it. I might start a poll for which list people want to take care of first (if I could figure out how to start a poll here).
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StevieFan13 wrote:Maybe we just cross that bridge when we get to it. I might start a poll for which list people want to take care of first (if I could figure out how to start a poll here).
You'd need to start another topic to start a poll, but no matter what, you can only have 20 options max. So I suggest you just go in descending order :D
StevieFan13 wrote:Note: some of these I might submit to Henrik afterwards (I think most, save for the genre lists, meet qualifications if each of us writes a blurb), but I wouldn't submit them until after the next update (the guy doesn't need any more lists right now).
I just saw that. No list from the forum has ever been included on AM. That's not a problem of writing a blurb or whatnot; it's just that we're not critics (although some people here are extremely knowledgeable). To be included, we'd need to start a publication, rate enough albums per month and this would need to become sufficiently important to qualify for AM.
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I see. I'll take that part out and I hear you about the polls.
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Here's a poll for you guys to vote for which list we do first:
http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/vi ... 754#p68754
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