Somebody explain Kid A to me.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:40 pm

I want to like Kid A. I currently don't particularly like it. I nominated it in the 2000 poll kind of out of obligation, but I can't get into it and I want to.

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:47 pm

The first and pretty much most important thing you need to take into account is that contrary to The Bends and OK Computer, Kid A is NOT a rock album and isn't meant to be enjoyed as such. It's an electronic/ambient album with glitch music influences that they probably made after listening to an excessive amount of Aphex Twin, Plastikman and Oval. It needs to be evaluated as an electronic music album, and it is a great album in this genre. But if you're unaccustomed to this kind of music, I understand that you could be lost.

To someone who is more into rock music in the first place, you may want to try the 2001 live album I Might Be Wrong first. The songs from Kid A and Amnesiac have a more muscular sound on it and are probably more palatable there.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:02 pm

Pierre wrote:The first and pretty much most important thing you need to take into account is that contrary to The Bends and OK Computer, Kid A is NOT a rock album and isn't meant to be enjoyed as such. It's an electronic/ambient album with glitch music influences that they probably made after listening to an excessive amount of Aphex Twin, Plastikman and Oval. It needs to be evaluated as an electronic music album, and it is a great album in this genre. But if you're unaccustomed to this kind of music, I understand that you could be lost.

To someone who is more into rock music in the first place, you may want to try the 2001 live album I Might Be Wrong first. The songs from Kid A and Amnesiac have a more muscular sound on it and are probably more palatable there.

Alright, I'll give that a listen. I'm not much for ambient music, so that could be the root cause of the problem.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:02 pm

On the other hand, am I a normie for just liking The Bends and OK Computer for being innovative while also being catchy?

Listyguy · Post by **Listyguy** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:29 pm

I wasn't a huge Kid A fan the first few times I listened to it, partly because of the electronic-ness of it. Over time I got over that though. It might be my favorite Radiohead album depending on my current mood (the big 3 are always taking that title away from each other).

Romain · Post by **Romain** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:59 pm

StevieFan13 wrote:I want to like Kid A. I currently don't particularly like it. I nominated it in the 2000 poll kind of out of obligation, but I can't get into it and I want to.

You nominate an album you don't really like on a top 15? (on the 12th place)...but...but...why? The results are distorted if people give the most known albums and songs just to fill up their lists.

A top 15 is not mandatory... you just need to have at least 5 albums or songs if you want

And for KidA... I don't know... All is here

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https://vimeo.com/157296965

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:04 pm

Romain wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:I want to like Kid A. I currently don't particularly like it. I nominated it in the 2000 poll kind of out of obligation, but I can't get into it and I want to.

You nominate an album you don't really like on a top 15? (on the 12th place)...but...but...why? The results are distorted if people give the most known albums and songs just to fill up their lists.

A top 15 is not mandatory... you just need to have at least 5 albums or songs if you want

And for KidA... I don't know... All is here :

https://vimeo.com/157296965

Fair point. I just don't know much about 2000 in terms of albums (I was 1 at the time, so I did some research). I'll put in something more in line with my musical tastes.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:07 pm

I liked the Johnny Cash stuff more, so it's there in place of Kid A. But Kid A is probably gonna win anyway.

Romain · Post by **Romain** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:19 pm

And, just to be sure ! You know it's not a moral obligation to like an artist or an album, even if it's the most beloved artist on earth

Some here don't like The Beatles, some don't like Prince, another one don't like Dylan

... your taste is your taste !

You can just rank albums you really likes, even if you hae only 5, 6 or 11 albums this year.

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:30 pm

Romain wrote: Some here don't like The Beatles, some don't like Prince, another one don't like Dylan ... your taste is your taste !

And someone else isn't actually a Radiohead fan

Pretty difficult to live around these parts.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:46 pm

Romain wrote:And, just to be sure ! You know it's not a moral obligation to like an artist or an album, even if it's the most beloved artist on earth
Some here don't like The Beatles, some don't like Prince, another one don't like Dylan ... your taste is your taste !

You can just rank albums you really likes, even if you hae only 5, 6 or 11 albums this year.

Yeah, I hear you. This place is pretty judgment-free, but I worry that because I'm younger and am still developing my musical tastes, some people might get mad that I don't like, say, Eagles.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:46 pm

Pierre wrote:
Romain wrote: Some here don't like The Beatles, some don't like Prince, another one don't like Dylan ... your taste is your taste !
And someone else isn't actually a Radiohead fan Pretty difficult to live around these parts.

Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:49 pm

Short list of bands/artists I don't like that everyone else seems to: Coldplay, Eagles, KISS, Sonic Youth (or at the very least not what I've heard). I pretty much toe the line on the rest.

Romain · Post by **Romain** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:58 pm

StevieFan13 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Romain wrote: Some here don't like The Beatles, some don't like Prince, another one don't like Dylan ... your taste is your taste !
And someone else isn't actually a Radiohead fan Pretty difficult to live around these parts.
Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.

I have to check the english meaning for "poor man's XXX" "someone or something that is similar to a well-known person or thing but is not as good" to be sure!

It's really the first time I heard Coldplay have something on common with Radiohead... you killed me with this one

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:59 pm

Romain wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:
Pierre wrote:
And someone else isn't actually a Radiohead fan Pretty difficult to live around these parts.
Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.

I have to check the english meaning for "poor man's XXX" "someone or something that is similar to a well-known person or thing but is not as good" to be sure!

It's really the first time I heard Coldplay have something on common with Radiohead... you killed me with this one

That's not the first time I hear it personnally, but the comparison has been dropped ever since X&Y. It was the most common dismissive argument from critics around the time of their first two albums.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:08 pm

http://www.cracked.com/blog/coldplay-fa ... n-concert/

DaveC · Post by **DaveC** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:17 pm

Pierre wrote: It was the most common dismissive argument from critics around the time of their first two albums.

As it happens I really like the first two albums and since then they haven't been worth listening to - having turned into the poor man's U2. I never thought the first 2 albums sounded remotely like Radiohead.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:18 pm

First they tried being "Bends"-era Radiohead, now they're trying to be "Joshua Tree"-era U2. Some of the big hits are OK ("Viva la Vida" is untouchable), but I mostly find them meh.

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:31 pm

DaveC wrote:
Pierre wrote: It was the most common dismissive argument from critics around the time of their first two albums.
As it happens I really like the first two albums and since then they haven't been worth listening to - having turned into the poor man's U2. I never thought the first 2 albums sounded remotely like Radiohead.

I still listen occasionally to A Rush of Blood to the Head. But each time I do now I feel like their early stuff sounds a lot like The Bends, just like StevieFan13 pointed out.

Fun fact: the very first song they ever recorded, an obscurity called "Ode to Deodorant", is both really stupid and quite entertaining to me each time I rediscover it. In a parallel universe, maybe they would have become a sort of Radiohead parody band.

BleuPanda · Post by **BleuPanda** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:37 pm

I for one think the world needs more Radioheads; I'm fine with a knockoff if the material is still good. The greatest bands usually are influential, and I think Coldplay being like them is more a testament to Radiohead's immediate power than it is to Coldplay's supposed lack of originality. If The Bends is a top 100 level album, does it hurt to have a couple more albums in that style when the band that created it veered off into an entirely different direction? Originality is only so important; sometimes it's fine to just have a really strong album in a safe style.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:48 pm

BleuPanda wrote:I for one think the world needs more Radioheads; I'm fine with a knockoff if the material is still good. The greatest bands usually are influential, and I think Coldplay being like them is more a testament to Radiohead's immediate power than it is to Coldplay's supposed lack of originality. If The Bends is a top 100 level album, does it hurt to have a couple more albums in that style when the band that created it veered off into an entirely different direction? Originality is only so important; sometimes it's fine to just have a really strong album in a safe style.

Fair enough, except it's one thing to take a kind of music and expand its scope to further lengths than even the originators intended (watch Billie Joe Armstrong's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction speech for the Stooges, where he lists off about 30 bands who directly took inspiration from them while all very clearly being their own bands), and another to basically just do the same thing that the originators did and not really change it all that much (like Coldplay, in my personal opinion). But yeah, I have no complaint about there being more Bends-type albums in the world...just as they aren't, y'know, damn near the same thing.

andyd1010 · Post by **andyd1010** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:10 pm

BleuPanda wrote:I for one think the world needs more Radioheads; I'm fine with a knockoff if the material is still good. The greatest bands usually are influential, and I think Coldplay being like them is more a testament to Radiohead's immediate power than it is to Coldplay's supposed lack of originality. If The Bends is a top 100 level album, does it hurt to have a couple more albums in that style when the band that created it veered off into an entirely different direction? Originality is only so important; sometimes it's fine to just have a really strong album in a safe style.

Agreed 100%

Jirin · Post by **Jirin** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:59 pm

The biggest hump when getting into certain kinds of music is giving up expecting the kinds of hooks and outward projection of pre-interpreted emotion pop music gives you.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:04 pm

Jirin wrote:The biggest hump when getting into certain kinds of music is giving up expecting the kinds of hooks and outward projection of pre-interpreted emotion pop music gives you.

I hear that. I always get excited by music that doesn't specifically dictate how you should feel (might be why the Smiths are my favorite band, though sometimes they very much let you know that you should be very, very sad).

babydoll · Post by **babydoll** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:28 pm

StevieFan13 wrote:Short list of bands/artists I don't like that everyone else seems to: Coldplay, Eagles, KISS, Sonic Youth (or at the very least not what I've heard). I pretty much toe the line on the rest.

The song, "Hotel California", is amazing.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:37 pm

babydoll wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Short list of bands/artists I don't like that everyone else seems to: Coldplay, Eagles, KISS, Sonic Youth (or at the very least not what I've heard). I pretty much toe the line on the rest.
The song, "Hotel California", is amazing.

I like "Take It Easy." Overplay has tainted "Hotel California" for me. Then again, overplay hasn't ruined "Stairway to Heaven" for me, so I dunno. Like it if you do.

babydoll · Post by **babydoll** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:42 pm

StevieFan13 wrote:
babydoll wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Short list of bands/artists I don't like that everyone else seems to: Coldplay, Eagles, KISS, Sonic Youth (or at the very least not what I've heard). I pretty much toe the line on the rest.
The song, "Hotel California", is amazing.
I like "Take It Easy." Overplay has tainted "Hotel California" for me. Then again, overplay hasn't ruined "Stairway to Heaven" for me, so I dunno. Like it if you do.

Oh, please. "Stairway to Heaven" is an awful song, even without the overplays.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:50 pm

babydoll wrote: Oh, please. "Stairway to Heaven" is an awful song, even without the overplays.

Whatever. To each their own. Wouldn't call it a favorite, but I don't loathe it.

Harold · Post by **Harold** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:10 pm

StevieFan13 wrote:Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.

No, no, no. Muse is the poor man's Radiohead. More precisely, Muse is what Radiohead might have become if they'd simply kept making The Bends over and over again.

DaveC · Post by **DaveC** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:17 pm

Harold wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.
No, no, no. Muse is the poor man's Radiohead. More precisely, Muse is what Radiohead might have become if they'd simply kept making The Bends over and over again.

Can't argue with this and I'm a fan of Muse. But then again The Bends is my #3 album of all time.

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:28 pm

DaveC wrote:
Harold wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.
No, no, no. Muse is the poor man's Radiohead. More precisely, Muse is what Radiohead might have become if they'd simply kept making The Bends over and over again.
Can't argue with this and I'm a fan of Muse. But then again The Bends is my #3 album of all time.

Fair. I like "Knights of Cydonia."

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:52 pm

Harold wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.
No, no, no. Muse is the poor man's Radiohead. More precisely, Muse is what Radiohead might have become if they'd simply kept making The Bends over and over again.

I wonder where Keane fit in all of this, since they've essentially made a career by ripping off Coldplay's "Clocks" again and again

prosecutorgodot · Post by **prosecutorgodot** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:08 pm

Harold wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:Hey, I don't like Coldplay, and they're basically the poor man's Radiohead.
No, no, no. Muse is the poor man's Radiohead. More precisely, Muse is what Radiohead might have become if they'd simply kept making The Bends over and over again.

YESYESYES I agree with the Muse comment. Also, I would not say Coldplay is a poor man's Radiohead (by the way I think "poor man's XXX" means it's watered down, and everything is the same, but worse.). I would rather say Coldplay is the pop version of Radiohead (which you hear a lot); i.e. more accessible.
Other such "pop" comparisons are Pet Shop Boys ----- Kraftwerk
Green Day ----- The Clash

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:14 pm

4 Non Blondes---The Breeders
The Struts, Mika---Queen (The Struts are very good, though)
Demi Lovato---Kelly Clarkson

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:01 am

prosecutorgodot wrote: Other such "pop" comparisons are Pet Shop Boys ----- Kraftwerk

A bit of a stretch, but I see where you're going with that. (I like "West End Girls" more than "Autobahn." Sorry not sorry.)

prosecutorgodot · Post by **prosecutorgodot** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:52 am

StevieFan13 wrote:
prosecutorgodot wrote: Other such "pop" comparisons are Pet Shop Boys ----- Kraftwerk
A bit of a stretch, but I see where you're going with that. (I like "West End Girls" more than "Autobahn." Sorry not sorry.)

You're misunderstanding me. See, I don't think pop versions are worse. (In fact, I often think they're better.) I never said I was against pop versions. And moreover, I have no problem with you enjoying what you like!

StevieFan13 · Post by **StevieFan13** » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:53 am

prosecutorgodot wrote:
StevieFan13 wrote:
prosecutorgodot wrote: Other such "pop" comparisons are Pet Shop Boys ----- Kraftwerk
A bit of a stretch, but I see where you're going with that. (I like "West End Girls" more than "Autobahn." Sorry not sorry.)
You're misunderstanding me. See, I don't think pop versions are worse. (In fact, I often think they're better.) I never said I was against pop versions. And moreover, I have no problem with you enjoying what you like!

Nah, nah I hear ya loud and clear! I got you the first time! I agree completely. Cheers!

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