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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:38 pm

"Your Precious Love" does not appear on Tammi Terrell's page.
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Post by Bang Jan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:09 pm

I Don't Know How to Love Him by Yvonne Elliman is from 1970, not 1971.
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Post by Bang Jan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:54 pm

Franco's artist page is broken.
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Post by Listyguy » Fri Sep 16, 2016 3:05 pm

"Lead Belly" should be two words.

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Post by Krurze » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:26 am

Scott Joplin's artist page is broken.

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Post by Ulysses » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:47 am

Don't know if this has already been fixed in the inofficial update, but Pitchfork's "favourite albums from the 90's" doesn't seem to match the one on their website. As an example, the one currently listed in AM has Little Earthquakes in the top 10, which isn't the case for the current list at Pitchfork.

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Post by Bang Jan » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:05 am

Ulysses wrote:Don't know if this has already been fixed in the inofficial update, but Pitchfork's "favourite albums from the 90's" doesn't seem to match the one on their website. As an example, the one currently listed in AM has Little Earthquakes in the top 10, which isn't the case for the current list at Pitchfork.
Pitchfork released two different 90's albums list, one from 1999 and one from 2003.
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Post by Krurze » Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:18 am

The track by Explosions in the Sky is called First Breath After Coma, not First Breath After Comma

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Ulysses » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:26 pm

Bang Jan wrote:
Ulysses wrote:Don't know if this has already been fixed in the inofficial update, but Pitchfork's "favourite albums from the 90's" doesn't seem to match the one on their website. As an example, the one currently listed in AM has Little Earthquakes in the top 10, which isn't the case for the current list at Pitchfork.
Pitchfork released two different 90's albums list, one from 1999 and one from 2003.
Shouldn't the older one then be discounted? It would seem reasonable to assume that the newer list is the official and the legitimate one.

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Post by Henrik » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:37 pm

Ulysses wrote:
Bang Jan wrote:
Ulysses wrote:Don't know if this has already been fixed in the inofficial update, but Pitchfork's "favourite albums from the 90's" doesn't seem to match the one on their website. As an example, the one currently listed in AM has Little Earthquakes in the top 10, which isn't the case for the current list at Pitchfork.
Pitchfork released two different 90's albums list, one from 1999 and one from 2003.
Shouldn't the older one then be discounted? It would seem reasonable to assume that the newer list is the official and the legitimate one.
I won't do that, just like I won't remove all NME's and Rolling Stone's all time lists except the last ones. But I have a method to downweight multiple lists from the same source. An album that appears on two or more lists from the same source get some extra points for the repeated acclaim, but it's not a doubled score.
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Post by Bang Jan » Tue Oct 04, 2016 5:56 pm

High Violet appears in the list of best albums from Ohio rather than New York where it should be.
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Post by lagire » Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:26 pm

In this list, you said you have 38 songs mentionned
Volume (France) - 200 Records that Changed the World, 2008 (38 songs)
But i found 40 songs ?
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/ ... gid=878084

Here the list:
Taxi Girl Cherchez Le Garçon 1980
Buzzcocks Ever Fallen in Love? 1978
Byrds, The Eight Miles High 1966
Cash, Johnny I Walk the Line 1956
Holiday, Billie Strange Fruit 1939
New Order Blue Monday 1983
Rolling Stones, The (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 1965
Smiths, The This Charming Man 1983
Summer, Donna I Feel Love 1977
ABBA Dancing Queen 1976
Afrika Bambaataa & The Soul Sonic Force Planet Rock 1982
Anderson, Laurie O Superman 1981
Beck Loser 1994
Berry, Chuck Roll Over Beethoven 1956
Buggles, The Video Killed the Radio Star 1979
Chic Le Freak 1978
Cybotron Clear 1983
Dead Kennedys Holiday in Cambodia 1980
Fall, The Totally Wired 1980
Franklin, Aretha Respect 1967
Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five White Lines (Don't Don't Do It) 1983
Holly, Buddy & The Crickets Peggy Sue 1957
Jam, The Going Underground 1980
Johnson, Blind Willie Dark Was the Night, Cold Was the Ground 1928
Johnson, Robert Love in Vain 1937
KLF, The What Time Is Love? 1988
LCD Soundsystem Losing My Edge 2002
Lennon, John Instant Karma (We All Shine On) 1970
Lil' Louis French Kiss 1989
Little Richard Tutti Frutti 1955
M/A/R/R/S Pump Up the Volume 1987
Primal Scream Loaded 1990
Queen Bohemian Rhapsody 1975
Ronettes, The Be My Baby 1963
Russell, Arthur Let's Go Swimming 1986
Specials, The Ghost Town 1981
Temptations, The Papa Was a Rolling Stone 1972
Vincent, Gene Be-Bop-a-Lula 1956
Who, The My Generation 1965
Williams, Hank Move It On Over 1947

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Post by Henrik » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:50 pm

You're right Iagire. It's 40 songs. All are included. I just need to change the title.
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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:00 am

This time i think it's a miss.
Again on this list,
Morricone, Ennio Once Upon a Time in the West is mentionned as "Il était une fois dans l'ouest"

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Post by Henrik » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:29 am

lagire wrote:This time i think it's a miss.
Again on this list,
Morricone, Ennio Once Upon a Time in the West is mentionned as "Il était une fois dans l'ouest"
Yes. This error was also found by Pierre a couple of months ago.

Actually, I was kinda hoping that this was not the same error, to give this wonderful soundtrack a further boost on AM.
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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 09, 2016 5:36 am

Marquis de Sade Rue de Siam is mentionned on the list
Gainsbourg, Serge Initials B.B.
Gainsbourg, Serge L'homme à tête de chou
Stan Cuesta (France) - La discothèque parfaite de la chanson française (2011)
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I think you didn't into account 2nd order Mentions on this list, didn't you?

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Post by Henrik » Sun Oct 09, 2016 7:32 am

lagire wrote:Marquis de Sade Rue de Siam is mentionned on the list
Gainsbourg, Serge Initials B.B.
Gainsbourg, Serge L'homme à tête de chou
Stan Cuesta (France) - La discothèque parfaite de la chanson française (2011)
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Stop There...
I think you didn't into account 2nd order Mentions on this list, didn't you?
No, apparently I haven't.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Pierre » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:13 am

Henrik wrote:
lagire wrote:Marquis de Sade Rue de Siam is mentionned on the list
Gainsbourg, Serge Initials B.B.
Gainsbourg, Serge L'homme à tête de chou
Stan Cuesta (France) - La discothèque parfaite de la chanson française (2011)
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Stop There...
I think you didn't into account 2nd order Mentions on this list, didn't you?
No, apparently I haven't.
No matter what, I suppose you will have the opportunity to double-check all this thanks to the Excel spreadsheet Harold and I worked on a few months ago ;)

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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:00 pm

I yet Did it months ago but i didn't think they were not on AM.
See Cuesta sheet on excel file.
0.5 in column D means they came from albums compilations.
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Post by Henrik » Mon Oct 10, 2016 7:13 pm

Copied from another thread - reminder to myself to check what's going on.
pauldrach wrote: Rolling Stone:
* Die 50 besten Live-Alben (published in German Rolling Stone; 2013; note that this does appear in the list of critics' lists on the homepage but the ranks don't appear on the albums' pages):
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Post by Bang Jan » Tue Oct 11, 2016 12:06 pm

Rock'n'roll Star by Oasis should be 1993 as it originally appeared on the EP Live Demonstration.
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Post by lagire » Sat Oct 15, 2016 11:34 am

I Am a Bird Now seems to be mentionned on 2008 edition
http://rocklistmusic.co.uk/1001Albums.htm#Changes
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Muse – Black Holes & Revelations
Arcade Fire Neon Bible
Good, the Bad and the Queen, The The Good, the Bad and the Queen
Klaxons Myths of the Near Future
Aguilera, Christina – Back to Basics

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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:33 am

Dire Straits - Love Over Gold is mentionned on this list
Allan Kozinn, AVGuide (USA) - The 100 Greatest Pop Albums of the Century (2000)
http://www.myav.com.tw/bbs/showthread.p ... genumber=0

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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:20 pm

Spacemen 3 The Perfect Prescription is N°31 on this list
Alternative Press (USA) - Top 99 Albums of '85 to '95 (1995)
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/apress.html

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Post by lagire » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:17 pm

Miles Davis Birth of the cool and kind of blue are mentionned
On list Barnes & Noble.com (USA) - The Best Music of the 20th Century (1999)
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/millenni/ ... 2U1HDE5QIQ

Idem for Original Broadway Cast/Bernstein, Leonard & Stephen Sondheim West Side Story
https://web.archive.org/web/20031221193 ... 2U1HDE5QIQ

Idem for Rollins, Sonny Freedom Suite
https://web.archive.org/web/20031221194 ... 2U1HDE5QIQ
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Post by lagire » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:17 pm

Duke Ellington In a Sentimental Mood seems to be from 1935 not 1945
https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/duke_ellington

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Post by Listyguy » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:50 pm

Why is the Stay With Me Remix specified for Biggie's "One More Chance"? Doesn't AM count all versions/remixes as one song? In that vein, "One More Chance" was originally released in 1994.

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Post by lagire » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:44 pm

Clifford Brown & Max Roach At Basin Street on max roach page have no ranks

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Post by lagire » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:58 pm

Basie/The Atomic Mr. Basie/The Complete Atomic Basie is mentionned on
Ben Ratliff (USA) - Jazz: A Critics Guide to the 100 Most Important Recordings (2002)
https://www.amazon.com/New-York-Times-E ... F8&s=books&

Idem for Davis, Miles Get Up with It
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Post by lagire » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:12 pm

Shorter, Wayne Native Dancer is with & Nascimento, Milton

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Post by Bruno » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:51 am

Henrik,

"Next update of the all-time lists will be around March 2017, but there's an inofficial 2016 update (excel sheets only)"

This link on the home is wrong.

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Post by Henrik » Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:59 pm

Bruno wrote:Henrik,

"Next update of the all-time lists will be around March 2017, but there's an inofficial 2016 update (excel sheets only)"

This link on the home is wrong.
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Post by lagire » Fri Oct 21, 2016 4:59 am

Perhaps i yet mentionned it but Guthrie, Woody Dust Bowl Ballads
is mentionned on the list Blender (USA) - 500 CDs You Must Own Before You Die (2003)
http://ttvnol.com/threads/500-cds-you-m ... t.1305834/

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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 23, 2016 11:02 am

Henri Salvador Rock and Roll-Mops appears on this list
Christian Eclimont et al (France) - 1000 French Songs from 1920 to Today (2013)
See excel file i sent you years ago

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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 23, 2016 1:15 pm

Antoine Les Elucubrations d'Antoine appears on the list
Idem for Steppenwolf Magic Carpet Ride
idem for Flaming Lips, The Watching The Planets
idem for Wilco I Might
Hervé Bourhis (France) - Le Petit Livre Rock: The Juke Box Singles 1950-2012

Note that in this book, Wendy Carlos Title Music is title music from a clockwork orange (1972)
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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:48 pm

Bomb The Bass ‎– Beat Dis seems to be from 1987 not 1988
https://www.discogs.com/fr/Bomb-The-Bas ... ster/86797

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Post by Bang Jan » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:28 pm

Bad Brains are from Washington D.C, not New York.
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Post by lagire » Sun Oct 23, 2016 6:58 pm

France Gall Laisse Tomber Les Filles appears on the list
idem for Marie & Les Garçons Re-Bop
idem for Rita Mitsouko Andy
idem for Sébastien Tellier La Ritournelle
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=203&p=1487#p1494

I think you have some misses on this cuesta list
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by PlasticRam » Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:27 pm

Maybe this has been answered already, but why Howlin' Wolf's two albums are on AM when both RYM and Wiki list them as compilations?
I feel like that

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PlasticRam wrote:Maybe this has been answered already, but why Howlin' Wolf's two albums are on AM when both RYM and Wiki list them as compilations?
I've wondered this about a lot of albums of artists from the late fifties/ early sixties. Many of them are collections of singles of previous years and most of them are listed as compilations at Rate Your Music.

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Rob wrote:
PlasticRam wrote:Maybe this has been answered already, but why Howlin' Wolf's two albums are on AM when both RYM and Wiki list them as compilations?
I've wondered this about a lot of albums of artists from the late fifties/ early sixties. Many of them are collections of singles of previous years and most of them are listed as compilations at Rate Your Music.
I wouldn't put too much stock in how RYM has them listed at the moment. I've been an RYM user for almost a decade and seen lots of titles there arbitrarily switched back and forth between album and compilation, between single and EP, etc depending on the whims of the corrections submitter and whichever mod happens to be around to approve the change.

What I think would be more important to consider is whether the title in question is considered a valid album on the various critics lists that AM compiles.

For example, after being listed as a regular album for years, RYM recently changed Bo Diddley's self-titled 1958 album into a compilation. Yet most music critics rightfully consider it a proper debut album. (which is why it appears here at all-time #710)

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AlRog wrote:
Rob wrote:
PlasticRam wrote:Maybe this has been answered already, but why Howlin' Wolf's two albums are on AM when both RYM and Wiki list them as compilations?
I've wondered this about a lot of albums of artists from the late fifties/ early sixties. Many of them are collections of singles of previous years and most of them are listed as compilations at Rate Your Music.
I wouldn't put too much stock in how RYM has them listed at the moment. I've been an RYM user for almost a decade and seen lots of titles there arbitrarily switched back and forth between album and compilation, between single and EP, etc depending on the whims of the corrections submitter and whichever mod happens to be around to approve the change.

What I think would be more important to consider is whether the title in question is considered a valid album on the various critics lists that AM compiles.

For example, after being listed as a regular album for years, RYM recently changed Bo Diddley's self-titled 1958 album into a compilation. Yet most music critics rightfully consider it a proper debut album. (which is why it appears here at all-time #710)
These albums just walk a very thin line between real album and compilation. If I recall correctly, the Bo Diddley album contains singles from various years. Not that I mind them being included, though.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Pierre » Mon Oct 24, 2016 12:15 pm

Rob wrote:
AlRog wrote:
Rob wrote:
I've wondered this about a lot of albums of artists from the late fifties/ early sixties. Many of them are collections of singles of previous years and most of them are listed as compilations at Rate Your Music.
I wouldn't put too much stock in how RYM has them listed at the moment. I've been an RYM user for almost a decade and seen lots of titles there arbitrarily switched back and forth between album and compilation, between single and EP, etc depending on the whims of the corrections submitter and whichever mod happens to be around to approve the change.

What I think would be more important to consider is whether the title in question is considered a valid album on the various critics lists that AM compiles.

For example, after being listed as a regular album for years, RYM recently changed Bo Diddley's self-titled 1958 album into a compilation. Yet most music critics rightfully consider it a proper debut album. (which is why it appears here at all-time #710)
These albums just walk a very thin line between real album and compilation. If I recall correctly, the Bo Diddley album contains singles from various years. Not that I mind them being included, though.
Henrik's rule about compilations as of today is that any album on which most of the material has not been released on other albums/LPs before (as far as I know, the definition of "most" has been kept vague) is considered eligible, regardless of whether it's generally perceived as a compilation or not. Technically, it means that albums like the Anthology of American Folk Music or Robert Johnson's King of the Delta Blues Singers should be eligible today, but they have been grandfathered out of AM.net because back when the site was started, Henrik's rules were not as clearly made up. It's a shame, but that's how it is.

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Pierre wrote:
Rob wrote:
AlRog wrote:
I wouldn't put too much stock in how RYM has them listed at the moment. I've been an RYM user for almost a decade and seen lots of titles there arbitrarily switched back and forth between album and compilation, between single and EP, etc depending on the whims of the corrections submitter and whichever mod happens to be around to approve the change.

What I think would be more important to consider is whether the title in question is considered a valid album on the various critics lists that AM compiles.

For example, after being listed as a regular album for years, RYM recently changed Bo Diddley's self-titled 1958 album into a compilation. Yet most music critics rightfully consider it a proper debut album. (which is why it appears here at all-time #710)
These albums just walk a very thin line between real album and compilation. If I recall correctly, the Bo Diddley album contains singles from various years. Not that I mind them being included, though.
Henrik's rule about compilations as of today is that any album on which most of the material has not been released on other albums/LPs before (as far as I know, the definition of "most" has been kept vague) is considered eligible, regardless of whether it's generally perceived as a compilation or not. Technically, it means that albums like the Anthology of American Folk Music or Robert Johnson's King of the Delta Blues Singers should be eligible today, but they have been grandfathered out of AM.net because back when the site was started, Henrik's rules were not as clearly made up. It's a shame, but that's how it is.
Wouldn't it be possible to retroactively get them back in?

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Post by Pierre » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:04 pm

Rob wrote:
Pierre wrote:
Rob wrote:
These albums just walk a very thin line between real album and compilation. If I recall correctly, the Bo Diddley album contains singles from various years. Not that I mind them being included, though.
Henrik's rule about compilations as of today is that any album on which most of the material has not been released on other albums/LPs before (as far as I know, the definition of "most" has been kept vague) is considered eligible, regardless of whether it's generally perceived as a compilation or not. Technically, it means that albums like the Anthology of American Folk Music or Robert Johnson's King of the Delta Blues Singers should be eligible today, but they have been grandfathered out of AM.net because back when the site was started, Henrik's rules were not as clearly made up. It's a shame, but that's how it is.
Wouldn't it be possible to retroactively get them back in?
I think Henrik once said it would be too much work because it would basically be necessary:

1. To reassess which albums are compilations and which are not
2. Most importantly, to check every single critic list ever added to AM.net to track all the entries
3. And to double check to see if the lists which don't feature compilations were not initially posted with the compilations taken out, as some AMers kindly wanted to spare Henrik the work of hunting down the compilations himself.

Given that AM.net currently features more than 1000 critics' lists (as the main page itself mentions), it would be a monumental chore.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by lagire » Tue Oct 25, 2016 5:32 am

JVC Force Strong Island SEems to be from 1987 not 1988
https://www.discogs.com/fr/JVC-FORCE-St ... ter/199557

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by lagire » Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:28 am

Plastic Bertrand Ca Plane Pour Moi appears on the list
Le Nouvel Observateur (France) - Top 100 French Singles from 1951-1991 at N°93
http://pub37.bravenet.com/forum/static/ ... 3&cmd=show

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by lagire » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:51 am

TC Matic Putain Putain is from 1983 not 1984
https://www.discogs.com/fr/TC-Matic-Choco/master/86446

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by lagire » Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:05 am

Charlie Haden
Liberation Music Orchestra
Idem for Various Artists No New York
Appears on the list Blow Up (Italy) - 600 Essential Albums
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/funks/bl ... _albums/2/
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