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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Bruno » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:47 pm

Henrik wrote:
Bruno wrote:Henrik,

"Next update of the all-time lists will be around March 2017, but there's an inofficial 2016 update (excel sheets only)"

This link on the home is wrong.
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How come no one has mentioned this before?
Still wrong.

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Post by Henrik » Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:49 pm

Bruno wrote:
Henrik wrote:
Bruno wrote:Henrik,

"Next update of the all-time lists will be around March 2017, but there's an inofficial 2016 update (excel sheets only)"

This link on the home is wrong.
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How come no one has mentioned this before?
Still wrong.
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Post by lagire » Wed Nov 02, 2016 6:36 am

Dylan, Bob oh Mercy appears on the list
Buscadero (Italy) - The Best Albums from the 1950s to the 1980s (1990)
idem for Hiatt, John Bring the Family
Lobos, Los How Will The Wolf Survive?
Mellencamp, John The Lonesome Jubilee
Morrison, Van No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
Neville Brothers, The Fiyo on the Bayou
to be continued...
http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/italian_ ... #BUSCADERO

Stop there: Strange, but i think you miss the 80's albums of this list!

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:07 pm

"Some Might Say" by Oasis does not actually appear in Q's 1001 songs list, but its B-side, "Acquiesce" does.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Pierre » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:39 pm

Method Man's "Release Yo' Delf" was on Tical, released in 1994.

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Post by lagire » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:02 am

Bowie, David Young Americans don't have soul genre on RYM
Cale, John Paris 1919 don't have ART ROCK genre on RYM
Dexys Midnight Runners Searching for the Young Soul Rebels don't have POP ROCK genre on RYM
Dexys Midnight Runners Too Rye Ay don't have POP ROCK genre on RYM
Grateful Dead Aoxomoxoa don't have WEST COAST ROCK genre on RYM
Jackson, Janet Rhythm nation 1814 don't have SOUL genre on RYM
Pogues, The If I Should Fall from Grace with God don't have CELTIC PUNK genre on RYM
Talking Heads Fear of Music don't have ART PUNK genre on RYM
Wire Pink Flag don't have POST PUNK genre on RYM
Naked City Torture Garden don't have EXPERIMENTAL genre on RYM

Costello, Elvis Spike have pop rock genre in addition
Drake, Nick Five Leaves Left have CONTEMPORARY FOLK genre in addition
Madonna True Blue have SYNTHPOP genre in addition
Talking Heads Remain in Light have POST-PUNK genre in addition
Waits, Tom Nighthawks At The Diner have PIANO BLUES genre in addition
Wire Pink Flag have PUNK ROCK genre in addition
XTC Black Sea have NEW WAVE genre in addition
Mudhoney Superfuzz Bigmuff have GARAGE PUNK genre in addition
Breeders, The Pod have alt rock & indie rock in genres not noise pop
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Post by lagire » Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:43 am

Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds Seems to be formed in uk among RYM

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Post by lagire » Tue Nov 08, 2016 6:00 am

A better link for this list
CCM (USA) - The 25 Best Contemporary Christian Albums of All Time (1988)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040906151 ... spx?Page=1

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Rob » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:27 pm

The album Francis Albert Sinatra and Antonio Carlos Jobim does not appear on the Antônio Carlos Jobim's page (and isn't counted as one of his albums?), though obviously it is credited as much to him as to Sinatra (on whose page it does appear).

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Post by lagire » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:11 pm

The Abyssinians Satta Amassa Gana 1969 is dated 1969 from this discogs version
https://www.discogs.com/fr/Abyisinians- ... se/6819721

Same date on Bruno Blum Book 100 greatest reggae hits to download

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sun Nov 20, 2016 12:05 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:So Duke Ellington's "Black, Brown, and Beige" is a whole symphony, and "Come Sunday" is just one movement of one of the three suites of the symphony, and then they're listed as separate songs here... is there something I'm missing?
Looking back, I think they should stay separate, because although "Come Sunday" was initially part of the larger work, it has become a standard in its own right. However, this opens up another problem.

One of the list "Come Sunday" appears on is Mauro Ronconi (Italy) - The Best Song from the 200 Best Albums (1998). I'm not certain which album it is from in this book, but I have reason to believe it's the 1958 album Black, Brown, and Beige, a revised version of the suite the features Mahalia Jackson. If so, that would be the same version as this song from Steve Sullivan's Encyclopedia of Great Popular Song Recordings, which is not listed for "Come Sunday" on AM.
stevejazz wrote:Come Sunday (July 3, 1958) - Mahalia Jackson with Duke Ellington & His Orchestra
Should that be separate from the one already listed, or not?

And to take it even further, two versions of "Black, Brown, and Beige" were mentioned in Guido Michielone's Jazz Forever.
stefanocarraro wrote:DUKE ELLINGTON - BLACK, BROWN AND BEIDGE (1943)
DUKE ELLINGTON & MAHALIA JACKSON - BLACK BROWN AND BEIDGE (1958)
The first one should obviously be counted towards the song already on AM, but what of the second one? Should that be counted as an album, even though its from a songs list?
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by lagire » Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:28 am

Noir désir L'homme pressé appears on 666.667 Club album and so is from 1996

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Post by lagire » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:43 am

Am i wrong, but does this list wouldn't' based on charts sales?
College Music Journal (USA) - Top 25 College Radio Albums of All Time (2003)

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Post by Bang Jan » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:19 pm

Soul to Squeeze by Red Hot Chilli Peppers was originally released in 1991 as the B-side to Give it Away.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Pierre » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:10 pm

Viktor Vaughn is actually MF Doom.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:11 am

Another Ellington note... Would the version of "In a Sentimental Mood" he did with John Coltrane be counted separately from the version already listed? I saw one list credit it just to Coltrane, but he never recorded it solo as far as I know.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Rob » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:37 pm

Lee Morgan's album Search for the New Land is ranked for the year 1964, but both Wikipedia and Rate Your Music say it was released in 1966 (although it was recorded in 1964, but that shouldn't count).

Also a question that leads to a possible error: which album called The Animals is actually ranked for 1964? The Animals actually released two different albums under that title in that year, one for the US and one for the UK marker. Perhaps they are counted as one, despite only having a handful of tracks in common? I guess this issue could already have come up before.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:31 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:Another Ellington note... Would the version of "In a Sentimental Mood" he did with John Coltrane be counted separately from the version already listed? I saw one list credit it just to Coltrane, but he never recorded it solo as far as I know.
And for the record, of the sources listed for the solo version, I know the Costello list specifically refers to the solo version, but the other two lists seem to have unfindable.

And the list that credited the duet version solely to Coltrane was Ted Gioia's "The History of Jazz": Recommended Listenings
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by hectorthebat » Sat Dec 10, 2016 9:37 am

"Spanish Stroll" by Mink DeVille was released in 1976, not 1977: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Stroll

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Post by prosecutorgodot » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:32 am

This has probably already been mentioned, but just in case, there is an apostrophe missing in the title of James Brown's 1963 live album 'Live' at the Apollo, which most likely was a result of MS Excel's misreading of the apostrophe as turning the cell's contents into text.
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Thu Dec 15, 2016 6:30 pm

Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops" is in the extended list of the 1001 Songs to Hear Before You Die, but it didn't end up showing on AM because the book accidentally switched the position of the artist and the title (this mistake carries over to the 2015 edition of the book).
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Post by lagire » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:46 am

N.W.A. F*** Tha Police appears at N°20 on this list Beats Per Minute (USA) - The Top 100 Tracks of the 1980s (2011)
https://beatsperminute.com/features/the ... e-1980s/9/

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Post by lagire » Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:38 am

Big Punisher Capital Punishment appears at N°10 on this list Ego Trip (USA) - Hip Hop's 25 Greatest Albums by Year 1980-98 (1999)
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Madvilla ... bums_1998/
Black Moon Enta Da Stage at N°5
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Madvilla ... bums_1993/
Common Resurrection at N°6
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Madvilla ... bums_1994/

Henrik, i think you have to re-check these by years lists.
In total, you should have 325 entries (13 years * 25 entries)
I can give the whole list by excel file in you want.

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Post by Henrik » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:22 am

lagire wrote:I can give the whole list by excel file in you want.
If you have it already, then yes thanks. Otherwise you don't need to.
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Post by lagire » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:36 am

Here is the complete list.
324 / 325 cos this entry is a compilation "The Big Break Rapper Party : Sounds of New York, U.S.A. Volume 1"
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by stone37 » Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:00 am

The following corrections come from Joel Whitburn's Top Pop Singles, 1955-2015 and RYM:

Hey Baby should be 1961.

Treat Her Like a Lady should be 1970.

Rebirth of Slick should be 1992.

Get Out of My Life, Woman should be 1965.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Rob » Tue Dec 27, 2016 6:35 pm

Yet again I found two jazz albums wrongly dated. Apparently a genre with unclear release dates.

Grant Green's Idle Moments was released in 1965.
Art Blakey & The Jazz Messengers' Free for All was also released in 1965.

Both dates are confirmed by Wikipedia and Rate Your Music.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Dec 28, 2016 3:38 am

So, I understand why "The Entertainer" was removed from the site, but why does "4:33" get to stay? I don't believe Cage himself ever recorded it.
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Post by Rob » Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:22 pm

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:So, I understand why "The Entertainer" was removed from the site, but why does "4:33" get to stay? I don't believe Cage himself ever recorded it.
I's swear he did, though I can't find it quickly.

Anyway, another couple of wrongly dated jazz albums (as per Wikipedia and Rate Your Music):

Wayne Shorter's Speak No Evil should be 1966 instead of 1965
Wayne Shorter's The All-Seeing Eye should be 1966 instead of 1965
Herbie Hancock's Maiden's Voyage should be 1966 instead of 1965
Joe Henderson's Inner Urge should be 1966 instead of 1965

In other words, 1965 will lose a lot of ground to 1966.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Rob » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:05 pm

More jazz-corrections. These two albums ranked in 1966 belong to 1967, according to both Wikipedia and Rate Your Music:

Wayne Shorter - Adam's Apple
Lee Morgan - Corn Bread

Also, the title of the two Ornette Coleman live albums Live at the Golden Circle are written wrong it should read:
At the "Golden Circle" Stockholm, Volume One/ Volume Two

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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Thu Jan 05, 2017 4:35 pm

In both versions of the 1001 songs, "Good Life" by Inner City is accidentally listed as being by Inner Circle.
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:48 am

Sweepstakes Ron wrote:Jackie Wilson's "Lonely Teardrops" is in the extended list of the 1001 Songs to Hear Before You Die, but it didn't end up showing on AM because the book accidentally switched the position of the artist and the title (this mistake carries over to the 2015 edition of the book).
The same is true of Yves Montand's "Les feuilles mortes".
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:26 am

Gilles Verlant and Thomas Caussé (France) - 3000 Rock Classics includes "Dizzy Miss Lizzy" by Little Richard, even though he never recorded that song. I think it's safe to say it meant to include Larry Williams's version.
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Post by prosecutorgodot » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:02 am

I think it would be great if you could maneuver from the main list pages (and artist pages as well if you think you like it) back to the home page.
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Post by Henrik » Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:30 am

prosecutorgodot wrote:I think it would be great if you could maneuver from the main list pages (and artist pages as well if you think you like it) back to the home page.
There is always a link to the home page in the blue row near the top of the page.

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Post by prosecutorgodot » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:00 am

Henrik wrote:
prosecutorgodot wrote:I think it would be great if you could maneuver from the main list pages (and artist pages as well if you think you like it) back to the home page.
There is always a link to the home page in the blue row near the top of the page.

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I found a link at the bottom (for example this page) of all the pages, so I'm good (though I'd prefer it at the top). Sorry, I never think to look at the bottom for the home link. I'm not sure what you mean by the top of the pages though?
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Post by lagire » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:19 pm

1001 songs error i found while i was re-checking the 2010 english & french versions
Chantays, The Pipeline appears on both versions
Alabama 3 Woke Up This Mornin’ is rated 2nd order in french version while it's 1

i will soon post an excel file of these 2 versions which serves as basis to this list.

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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:18 pm

"Voodoo Child (Slight Return" does NOT appear on Toby Creswell's 1001 songs: rather, it's the 15-minute jam "Voodoo Chile" from the same album.
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Sat Jan 14, 2017 9:23 pm

Nelly Furtado's "I'm Like a Bird" is from 2000.
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:23 pm

The Long Blondes - "Giddy Stratospheres" is #62 on the NME songs of the 2000s list (the original), but is not listed as such on AM.
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Post by o.m. » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:35 pm

Sister Sledge's He's The Greatest Dancer was relesaed on the WE ARE FAMILY album in January the 22st in 1979...I never understood why people still date it to 1978...?!?!?!?
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Post by Henrik » Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:45 pm

o.m. wrote:Sister Sledge's He's The Greatest Dancer was relesaed on the WE ARE FAMILY album in January the 22st in 1979...I never understood why people still date it to 1978...?!?!?!?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_Family_(album)
It was release as a single in December 1978.
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Post by o.m. » Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:08 pm

Fair enough...27 December 1978...!!!!
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by stone37 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:26 am

Fu-Gee-La should be 1995. It was already on the charts before the year ended.

Bad Time should be 1974.

Ignition should be 2002.

Hey Joe by the Leaves should be 1965.

Elusive Butterfly should be 1965.

Days of Wine and Roses should be 1962.

Way Over There should be 1960.

The above corrections come via Top Pop Singles (by Joel Whitburn), Wikipedia, and RYM.

I was also unsure about Peter Gunn. The TV show debuted in 1958. But the soundtrack was not released until 1959.

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Post by lagire » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:50 pm

Don't know if i yet mentionned it.
Misses from "Fred Kaplan (USA) - Top 100 Jazz Albums of the Twentieth Century"

Dolphy, Eric Far Cry
Gillespie, Dizzy & Roy Eldridge Dizzy Gillespie with Roy Eldridge/Roy and Diz/#2
Powell, Bud The Amazing Bud Powell

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Post by lagire » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:53 pm

Miami Sound Machine "Conga" appears on this list "CMT (USA) - Impact: Songs That Changed the World (2002) "
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Post by lagire » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:52 am

Pixies Come On Pilgrim EP Appears also with Surfer Rosa at N° 9
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Post by Sweepstakes Ron » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:24 pm

Count Basie's "April in Paris" (the song) was recorded in 1955, but I don't believe it was released until 1957.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Post by McJagger » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:34 pm

Am I crazy or is the album "The Harder They Come" not on the website? I distinctly recall the album being on here before.

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