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Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Henrik » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:16 pm

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Nick » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:18 pm

SOPHIE's page won't open.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Pierre » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:04 pm

The "Critics' lists" page seems dead.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby The Rug Rat » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:59 pm

These two Fred Neil songs are both on the same album, which is listed as 1966.

Everybody's Talkin' 1966
The Dolphins 1967

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Postby Henrik » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:17 pm

Nick wrote:SOPHIE's page won't open.

Fixed
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Henrik » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:17 pm

Pierre wrote:The "Critics' lists" page seems dead.

Fixed
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Postby lagire » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:47 pm

I am checking the two Q's lists:
- Misses from "Q (UK) - The Ultimate Music Collection (2005)"
Razorlight Golden Touch
Belle and Sebastian  Wrapped Up in Books
Snow Patrol  Run 
J-Kwon Tipsy
The Coral Don't Think You're the First

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/qcollection.htm

- Misses from "Q (UK) - The 1010 Songs You Must Own (2004)"

Giorgio Moroder  Chase 
Dusty Springfield  I Just Don't Know What to Do with Myself 
Damien Rice  The Blower’s Daughter 
Beck  Lost Cause
Muse  Time Is Running Out
Mansun  I Can Only Disappoint U 
Manic Street Preachers La Tristesse Durera (Scream to a High)
Tiga & Zyntherius Sunglasses at Night
The Korgis  Everybody's Got to Learn Sometime
The Strokes  New York City Cops 
Janet Jackson  Together Again
U2  Two Hearts Beat As One 
Lil' Jon and The Eastside Boyz feat. Ying-Yang Twins  Get Low
Wildchild  Renegade Master 
Omni Trio  Renegade Snares
Nas Made You Look
Kings of Leon Molly's Chambers
Shuggie Otis Strawberry Letter 23
Dizzee Rascal Fix Up, Look Sharp
Mantronix Bassline (Baseline on list)
Bobbie Gentry Fancy
Kris Kristofferson Help Me Make It Through the Night

http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/q1010songs.htm
in this list, i think there's many others misses, like the Q's list from 2003 ( i only noticed those on AM), cos i haven't found some songs in our all songs excel list. to be re-checked.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Bruno » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:51 pm

The "Various Artists" page seems weird.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby HaydenC » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:26 pm

Heartland rock redirects to Polynesian music.

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Postby Chilton » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:35 am

There are two pages for the band Soulwax, but the first one links to 2manydj's.

Both bands are essentially the same, so I think you can add them together as "Soulwax/2manydj's"?

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby ordinaryperson » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:54 am

Clicking on the Bill Haley and His Comets link opens to a blank page.
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Postby Henrik » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:57 am

lagire wrote:to be continued

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby lagire » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:03 am

i edit my post, henrik

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HaydenC wrote:Heartland rock redirects to Polynesian music.

Fixed
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Henrik » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:07 am

ordinaryperson wrote:Clicking on the Bill Haley and His Comets link opens to a blank page.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Henrik » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:24 am

Chilton wrote:There are two pages for the band Soulwax, but the first one links to 2manydj's.

Both bands are essentially the same, so I think you can add them together as "Soulwax/2manydj's"?

I wanted to merge them, but didn't do it adequately. They are still ranked as different artists, and I don't want to re-run the artist ranking unless a more serious error is found. Until next update I will just move 2manydj's to their place in the artist A-Z.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Henrik » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:32 am

Bruno wrote:The "Various Artists" page seems weird.

Fixed
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Maschine_Man » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:50 am

St. Vincent- Strange Mercy and Jimmy Cliff- The Harder They Come are both listed as being at #535, thought the later is not so on the spreadsheet. I'm not sure, but does that push out Siouxsie and The Banshees-A Kiss in the Dreamhouse which is currently at 3000?

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Postby Henrik » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:24 am

Maschine_Man wrote:St. Vincent- Strange Mercy and Jimmy Cliff- The Harder They Come are both listed as being at #535, thought the later is not so on the spreadsheet. I'm not sure, but does that push out Siouxsie and The Banshees-A Kiss in the Dreamhouse which is currently at 3000?

You are looking at the song "The Harder They Come". The album has been removed as I consider it a compilation.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Maschine_Man » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:49 am

Yep. I'm a derp. Nevermind me.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby The Rug Rat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:26 pm

These two albums are missing from the genre list for New Orleans R&B. They should both be in the top 10.

Rock and Rollin' with Fats Domino 1956 15 65 1793
This Is Fats Domino! 1956 23 136 2852

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby lagire » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:43 pm

Album for a time:
Richard Hell & The Voidoids "Blank Generation" is mentionnned in list "Chuck Eddy (USA) - The Accidental Evolution of Rock'n'Roll"
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby lagire » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:44 pm

!!! "Pardon My Freedom" is N° 98 in Blender - Singles 2004
See Songs2004.XLS

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby lagire » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:57 pm

Juan Maclean Happy House N°40 on
Stylus (USA) - The Top 100 Singles of the 2000s

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Postby lagire » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:50 pm

Arctic Monkeys "I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor" have two ranks list for EOY Laut

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Beck "Gamma Ray" is N°61 on EOY Village Voice 2008
Cut Copy Out There on the Ice N°114
Spiritualized Soul on Fire N°114
Aeroplane & Kathy Diamond Whispers N°137
N.E.R.D. Everyone Nose N°137

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Pierre » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:23 pm

El Último de la Fila is ranked under #. It should be ranked under U

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Henrik » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:47 pm

Reminder for the next update.

Listyguy wrote:
JR wrote:I believe I've asked before, but I forgot the response. :) Ever strongly considered including Saturday Night Fever and The Bodyguard for the Bee Gees and Whitney Houston, respectively? They're both heavily associated with the albums (Bee Gees have six of 17 tracks on SNF- with two other songs on the album written by them- and Houston has six of 12 on the U.S. edition of TBG). In turn, the Recording Industry Association of America credits them with those albums. (Billboard also includes TBG when talking about Whitney Houston's chart info- not sure about BG/SNF).

I'd strongly support such a move if it were to happen the future. 8-)

I think if nothing else the albums should be listed on those artists' pages on the website, so people that are searching the site can find those albums with more ease.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby The Rug Rat » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:51 am

This album

Jerry Butler - The Ice Man Cometh 1968

should be on the Philly Soul genre page.

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby lagire » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:46 am

I Found this article on ancient stylus, i don't know if it takes part of stylus seconds list.
http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/ ... econds.htm

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby stone37 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:30 am

Henrik,

Thanks for the update! I look forward to examining the song list year by year over the next several months. I noticed a mistake in 1984. "The Reflex" should be in 1983. It was released as a single in 1984, but it was part of the Seven and the Ragged Tiger LP, which was released in fall of 1983.

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Postby lagire » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:32 am

Wilco "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" appears on the list "Stylus (USA) - Seconds: One Song Essay Every Week"

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby lagire » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:44 pm

The Latin Grammy Hall of Fame have some new inductions (new inductions from 2007 and 2013) (check only songs):
Ritchie Valens "La Bamba"
Nino Bravo "AMÉRICA AMÉRICA"
CABALLO VIEJO" Roberto Torres y su Charanga
CÓMO FUE (SENCILLO)" Beny Moré
DESAFINADO" João Gilberto
Mocedades "Eres Tú"
Parra, Violeta "Gracias a la vida"*
MAIS QUE NADA" Sergio Mendes & Brasil 66
MI VIEJO" Piero
Almendra "Muchacha (Ojos de papel)"
RAYITO DE LUNA" Los Panchos
"EL REY" José Alfredo Jiménez
SON DE LA LOMA" Trío Matamoros

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Andre » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:39 pm

Henrik wrote:Say what you have to say...


I like the new layout, great to have an update, and many thanks to you, Henrik!

Tessellate from alt-J is listed as 2012 song, but was already released as 2011 single (RYM link).

This single was a limited edition, but that is still eligible, right?

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Postby antonius » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:36 pm

Artists page of Nara Leão is missing.
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antonius wrote:Artists page of Nara Leão is missing.

Fixed
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Postby Henrik » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:06 pm

Andre wrote:
Henrik wrote:Say what you have to say...


I like the new layout, great to have an update, and many thanks to you, Henrik!

Tessellate from alt-J is listed as 2012 song, but was already released as 2011 single (RYM link).

This single was a limited edition, but that is still eligible, right?

Sure. Thanks! But I might not change any years until the last update.
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Postby Henrik » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:12 pm

Pierre wrote:El Último de la Fila is ranked under #. It should be ranked under U

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Postby Schwah » Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:29 pm

My thanks to you Henrik is in the main update thread.

Blues Breakers with Eric Clapton is in the Top Blues list, but not in the Top Electric Blues, Blues Rock, or British Blues lists.

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Postby Harold » Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:34 pm

The "twigs" in FKA twigs shouldn't be capitalized.

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Postby lagire » Tue Aug 25, 2015 5:43 pm

Sabres Of Paradise "Smokebelch II" appears on this list
Shanks & Bigfoot "Sweet Like Chocolate" appears on this list
Masters At Work presents India "To Be in Love" appears on this list
Mixmag (UK) - Nominations for the Greatest Dance Track of All Time (2012)
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Setherex » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:20 am

"Stan" is credited under Eminem rather than Eminem feat. Dido.

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Postby Sweepstakes Ron » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:50 am

Gotye is in the artist list as "Gotye (feat. Kimbra)".
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Setherex » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:04 am

The two live James Brown albums have dangling apostrophes, so appear as:

Live' at the Apollo
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

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Setherex wrote:"Stan" is credited under Eminem rather than Eminem feat. Dido.


It used to be credited under "featuring Dido", but a couple years ago I suggested to Henrik that since it's not really a feature, only a sample, it didn't make sense for Dido to take credit for the song.

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Postby Bruno » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:42 pm

Nick wrote:
Setherex wrote:"Stan" is credited under Eminem rather than Eminem feat. Dido.


It used to be credited under "featuring Dido", but a couple years ago I suggested to Henrik that since it's not really a feature, only a sample, it didn't make sense for Dido to take credit for the song.

But it is officially credited. I think this way is unfair with Dido.

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Postby Henrik » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:28 pm

Schwah wrote:My thanks to you Henrik is in the main update thread.

Blues Breakers with Eric Clapton is in the Top Blues list, but not in the Top Electric Blues, Blues Rock, or British Blues lists.

Thanks Schwah! Great to see you around here again!

This is fixed now. The problem occurred for albums made by more than one AM artist. So VU&Nico is now also in the rock list for example.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Nick » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:35 pm

Bruno wrote:
Nick wrote:
Setherex wrote:"Stan" is credited under Eminem rather than Eminem feat. Dido.


It used to be credited under "featuring Dido", but a couple years ago I suggested to Henrik that since it's not really a feature, only a sample, it didn't make sense for Dido to take credit for the song.

But it is officially credited. I think this way is unfair with Dido.


If I recall correctly, what Henrik has been known to do with songs that feature other artists is to allow the song to impact the featured artist's AM rank in an amount proportionate to the amount that the featured artist contributed to the song. So in the case of, (say for example) "Umbrella" by Rihanna featuring Jay-Z, the song counts for (for example) 80% Rihanna, 20% Jay-Z. Maybe something like this could be done for "Stan", where the song is nominally credited to Eminem featuring Dido, but when it comes to artist rankings, the song counts for 100% Eminem, 0% Dido. Eminem and Dido's artist rankings would therefore remain unchanged. Just a thought.

But even this opens up a can of worms, in my opinion. Jay-Z and Kanye West's song "Otis" is credited as "featuring Otis Redding", who was dead decades before the song's release. And Kanye West's song "I Am a God" is credited as "featuring God". Should we make an artist page for God in that case?

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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Setherex » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:28 pm

Nick wrote:But even this opens up a can of worms, in my opinion. Jay-Z and Kanye West's song "Otis" is credited as "featuring Otis Redding", who was dead decades before the song's release. And Kanye West's song "I Am a God" is credited as "featuring God". Should we make an artist page for God in that case?

No, I don't think it's necessary to create an artist page for God and credit him (it? Hmm). But if the song is actually credited to Otis, God, Dido on the official release, it seems a bit odd to me that we completely ignore that when we so diligently record the titles under which other songs were released. Like how we credit all of Prince's songs to either "Prince" or "Prince and The Revolution," though The Revolution isn't getting its own artist credits.

I think the 100% Eminem 0% Dido thing is a fine behind-the-scenes compromise - whatever Henrik thinks appropriate. It doesn't even necessarily need to appear on her artist page in that case (though that might be a point of contention). But crediting the song to "Eminem" rather than "Eminem feat. Dido" just appears wrong to me, after seeing it credited otherwise so many times.

Also, a few things from around the site which should probably be noticed/changed if we're keeping a golden standard going:

- Kanye West's "Monster" is credited to Rick Ross but doesn't appear on his artist page.

- Justin Timberlake's "Suit & Tie" is credited to Justin Timberlake, rather than Justin Timberlake feat. Jay-Z.

- Kanye West's "No Church in the Wild" includes uncredited vocals by The-Dream, who contributes to the song about as much as Frank Ocean does, despite the fact that only Ocean received an official feature credit for it. I would argue that if we're giving Ocean credit for his contributions to the song, The-Dream should likewise receive credit.

- Similarly, Kanye West's "New Slaves" doesn't officially credit him, but Frank Ocean does feature fairly significantly on that song as well.

- Junkie XL's remix of "A Little Less Conversation," credited to Junkie XL vs. Elvis Presley, appears on both Junkie XL and Presley's pages, despite that Presley had died long before the song's release.

- The above case is the same for Acid Pauli's remix of Johnny Cash's "I See a Darkness" titled "I See a Dark(er)ness."


- Kanye West's "Gold Digger" is credited to Kanye West, rather than Kanye West feat. Jamie Foxx.

- Kanye West's "Mercy" is credited to Big Sean, Kanye West, Pusha T and 2 Chainz, though doesn't appear on Big Sean or Pusha T's artist pages.

- Icona Pop's "I Love It" is credited to Icona Pop (feat. Charli XCX), with the extraneous parentheses for some reason, but doesn't appear on Charli XCX's artist page.

- Daft Punk's "Giorgio by Moroder" is credited solely to Daft Punk. I don't know if the official releases include a feature by Giorgio Moroder, but it should definitely appear on his artist page anyway, in my opinion :D

- Daft Punk's "Doin' It Right" is credited to Daft Punk, rather than Daft Punk feat. Panda Bear.

- The Disclosure remix of "F for You" is credited on the site solely as the remix version feat. Mary J. Blige, though some of the end-of-year lists included are credited towards the original pre-remix version without her vocal on it. I'm not sure what Henrik's standard is on that one, though. Also, the song is listed under the 2013 page when the remix itself didn't release until 2014. The original version released with the album in 2013.

- Kanye West's "Runaway" is credited to Pusha T but doesn't appear on his artist page.

- Rihanna's "We Found Love" is credited to Calvin Harris but doesn't appear on his artist page.

- Gotye's artist page was changed back from "Gotye (feat. Kimbra)" to just "Gotye," but the song listing itself for "Somebody That I Used to Know" still includes those unnecessary parentheses.

- There are also extraneous parentheses on Major Lazer (feat. Amber Coffman)'s "Get Free" and Zebra Katz (feat. Njena Reddd Foxxx)'s "Ima Read."

- The spacing on DJ Khaled's "I'm on One" is messed up, listing it as "DJ Khaledfeat.Drake,Rick Ross, andLil Wayne."

- Kanye West's "All of the Lights" is credited to Kanye West, rather than Kanye West feat. Rihanna. Though also, the song features uncredited vocals by The-Dream, Elton John, Alicia Keys, Kid Cudi and John Legend. Again, we should probably be following some kind of standard for this sort of thing.

- I like what Henrik did with Beyoncé's "Flawless," listing it under the song page as artist credit "Beyoncé feat. Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie / Nicki Minaj" and as song title "***Flawless / Flawless (Remix)," but only appearing on Nicki Minaj's artist page as "Flawless (Remix)." If this is the standard going forward, then iLoveMakonnen's "Tuesday" shouldn't have Drake's credit under the song's title like it currently does, and should be listed under Drake's artist page as "Tuesday (Remix)."

- Jay-Z and Kanye West's "Otis" is credited as such, rather than as Jay-Z and Kanye West feat. Otis Redding - "Otis" (but noting that Otis Redding should not receive credit for his feature).

- Kanye West's "I Am a God" is credited as such, rather than as Kanye West feat. God - "I Am a God" (but noting that God should not receive credit for its feature).

- Eminem's "Stan" is credited as such, rather than as Eminem feat. Dido - "Stan" (but noting that Dido should not receive credit for her feature).

- Run the Jewels' "Close Your Eyes (And Count to Fuck)" is credited as such, rather than as Run the Jewels feat. Zack de la Rocha - "Close Your Eyes (And Count to Fuck)."

- Just a note, if Otis Redding is indeed going to be credited for his feature on Kanye West's "Otis," I would make a similar case for giving credit to King Crimson for the sample used on Kanye West's "Power," and Nina Simone on Kanye West's "Blood on the Leaves," despite neither artist being officially credited on those songs.

- Another argument could be made regarding songs like "Blurred Lines," which had that sampling-credit trial, as we all remember. I don't personally support this particular case, but Marvin Gaye could potentially be cited as having enough significant writing influence on the song to be listed on his artist page.

- Similarly (and again, I'm not entirely supporting this argument personally), in the case of an artist who hadn't already been dead, The-Dream contributed significantly to writing songs such as Rihanna's "Umbrella" and Beyoncé's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)." Because it isn't a feature credit, these songs obviously aren't included on The-Dream's artist page, but one may argue that his contributions to the songs exceed those of artists who actually receive feature credits (such as Jay-Z's on "Umbrella," for example).


Long story short, this site confuses me, haha. I think it would probably be best going forward that Henrik create a general standard by which we judge who receives credit on what, and who is listed on what.

EDIT: Anything listed in italics is now an unnecessary change, if we go with the standards that I mention in my next post on this topic.
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Re: Errors in the 2015 Update

Postby Harold » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:53 pm

In light of this "should featured artists have credits on their own pages" discussion, all I can say is, thank God "The Intro and the Outro" by The Bonzo Dog Band isn't included on this site. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

"Count Basie Orchestra on triangle! [ding] Thank you."
"Looking very relaxed, Adolf Hitler on vibes!"
"Roy Rogers on Trigger!"


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