AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

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AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:34 pm

Ladies, Gentlemen, and Others, we have finally reached the end of the poll!

With all the romantic, operatic, and long sets voted starting in February, we have finally seen this strange poll reach its ending. Classical is not listed on AM for good reason, but this is as close to a definitive list as we can get here.

First off, I would like to thank my honorary co-host Honorio for providing me with the math and spreadsheets. I really appreciate it because outside of the forum game Unacclaimed, this is really my first real poll. I had fun and may just do the EOY if you're willing. And thank you everyone who voted here.

I was going to do this tomorrow, but I figured since I already have the results and they look okay, I may as well start now.

I received nine lists in total:

Bonnielaurel
Dan
Henry
Honorio
Kingoftonga
Romain
Schaefer.tk
Sonofsamiam
Whuntva (myself)

Before we begin, a little outline on the format

Number. Composer-Full English Title of Piece | Year | Period
(Total points | Votes)
Rank in Genre Round
Biggest Fans: (Any Top 10 Votes or the next highest vote outside that)

Top 100 also get a relevant picture related to the piece. I will provide my own commentary as I see fit.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:55 pm

First off, we have the "not ready for primetime package". Nos. 101-125 get knocked out right away.

125. George Crumb-Black Angels | 1971 | 20th Century
(201.74 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 14
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (18)

124. Gustav Mahler-Lieder eines fahrenden Gesellen | 1884-5 | Romantic
(219.95 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 15
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (11)

123. Conlon Nancarrow-Studies for Player Piano | 1948-92 | 20th Century
(220.76 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Solo: 19
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (41)

122. Hector Berlioz-Te Deum | 1849 | Romantic
(227.80 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 16
Biggest Fans: Romain (30)

121. Iannis Xenakis-Rebonds | 1987-89 | 20th Century
(236.19 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Solo: 16
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (33)

120. Philip Glass-Metamorphosis | 1988| 20th Century
(237.53 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Solo: 20
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (43)

119. Elliott Carter-A Symphony of Three Orchestras | 1976 | 20th Century
(240.78 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 13
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (17)

118. Giacomo Puccini - "O mio babbino caro" (Gianni Schicchi) | 1918 | 20th Century/Romantic-ish
(247.59 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 14
Biggest Fans: Dan (26)

117. Edward Elgar-Salut d'Amour | 1888 | Romantic
(250.33 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Other: 9
Biggest Fans: Dan (17)

116. Max Bruch - Violin Concerto No. 1 in G minor| 1866 | Romantic
(250.93 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Concerto: 15
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (16)

115. Claude Debussy - Sonata for Flute, Viola and Harp| 1915 | 20th Century
(252.86 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 17
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (30)

[Distance between these two: Seven spots in prelims but less than a full point here!]

114. Cesar Franck - Violin Sonata in A major | 1886 | Romantic
(253.40 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 10
Biggest Fans: Dan (19)

113. Francis Poulenc - Stabat Mater | 1950 | 20th Century
(263.49 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 12
Biggest Fans: Romain (11)

112. J.S. Bach - Double Violin Concerto in D minor | 1717-1723 | Baroque
(263.94 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Concerto: 20
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (21)

111. Olivier Messiaen - Quatuor pour la fin du temps | 1941 | 20th Century
(266.30 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 5
Biggest Fans: Honorio (21)

110. Francisco Tárrega - Recuerdos de la Alhambra | 1941 | 20th Century
(266.55 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Solo: 17
Biggest Fans: Honorio (35)

109. Philip Glass - "Knee 5" (Einstein on the Beach)| 1941 | 20th Century
(269 points | 5 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 19
Biggest Fans: Kignoftonga (9)

108. Ludwig van Beethoven - Piano Trio No. 7 in B-flat major, "Archduke" | 1811 | Classical
(274.55 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 7
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (17)

107. Giovanni Gabrieli - Canzon primi toni a 8| 1597 | Renaissance
(277.04 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 14
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (12)

106. Antonin Dvorak - Cello Concerto in B minor | 1894-95 | Modern, but not quite 20th Century
(277.57 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 17
Biggest Fans: Romain (48)

105. Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 1 | 1969-72 | 20th Century
(278.07 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 16
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (9)

104. Arnold Schönberg - Variations for Orchestra | 1926-28 | 20th Century
(287.16 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Other: 17
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (13)

103. Kashiwa Daisuke-Stella | 2007 | Contemporary
(288.73 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Other: 23
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (8)

[After winning Unacclaimed 2.0 in dominant fashion and an impressive performance in the songs poll, "Stella" falls just short here. As our newest piece, it was a bit out of its league, but still a decent rank all things considered.]

102. George Bizet - "Votre toast, je peux vous le rendre" (Carmen)| 1875 | Romantic/Modern
(290.92 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 18
Biggest Fans: Henry (8)

[You gotta hear Placido's version. That alone catapulted it here.]

101. Johannes Brahms - String Sextet No. 2 in G major| 1864-65 | Romantic
(294.14 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Chamber: 11
Biggest Fans: Henry (19)


That's 125-101. The Top 100 will be delivered shortly.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:48 pm

Now for the Top 100

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100. Franz Schubert-Winterreise | 1828 | Romantic
(300.85 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 12
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (16)

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99. Julius Eastman-The Holy Presence of Joan d'Arc | 1981 | 20th Century
(302.35 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 8
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (10)

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98. Heitor Villa-Lobos-Five Preludes | 1940 | 20th Century
(309.20 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Solo: 10
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (10)

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97. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart-Piano Sonata No. 11 in A Major | c.1783 | Classical
(316.68 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Solo: 15
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (31)

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96. Paul Dukas-The Sorcerer's Apprentice | 1896-97 | Romantic
(317.88 points | 7 points)
Rank in Other: 5
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (18)

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95. Darius Milhaud - Le boeuf sur le toit | 1920 | 20th Century
(318.33 points | 7 points)
Rank in Other: 24
Biggest Fans: Romain (25)

[Surprising turnaround for a piece that barely qualified for the final]

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94. Ludwig van Beethoven - Violin Sonata No. 9, "Kreutzer"| 1803 | Classical
(324.99 points | 6 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 16
Biggest Fans: Romain (13)

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93. Olivier Messaien-Turangalila-Symphonie | 1949 | 20th Century
(325.80 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 17
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (12)

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92. Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina-Missa Papae Marcelli | c.1562 | Renaissance
(331.10 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 7
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (9)

[Easily thought to be the oldest piece in the poll]

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91. Jean Sibelus-Valse Triste | 1903 | 20th Century
(331.45 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 25
Biggest Fans: Romain (10)

[Another odd turnaround, seeing as all the votes were in the bottom 10, but Romain's placement and the eight net votes were just enough to land it in the Top 100]
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Romain » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:40 pm

Thanks a lot Whuntva. Excellent presentation.

And for now, no surprise (except maybe the low placement of the Sorcerer's apprentice).

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:47 pm

Too fast? I promise I'll hold off on the rest until tomorrow if I am.

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90. Edgard Varese-Ionisation | 1929-31 | 20th Century
(332.18 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 12
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (18)

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89. John Adams | Violin Concerto | 1993 | 20th Century
(336.26 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 16
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (15), Kingoftonga (15)

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88. Ralph Vaughn Williams-Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis | 1910 | 20th Century
(338.56 points | 7 points)
Rank in Other: 13
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (5)

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87. J.S. Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 6 in B flat major | 1718 | Baroque
(340.23 points | 8 points)
Rank in Concertos: 19
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (42)

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86. Gyorgy Ligeti-Requiem | 1965 | 20th Century
(346.76 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 6
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (2)

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85. Robert Schumann - Piano Quintet in E-Flat major | 1842 | Romantic
(353.11 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 20
Biggest Fans: Dan (28)

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84. Franz Liszt - Après une lecture de Dante: Fantasia quasi Sonata | 1849 | Romantic
(353.56 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 14
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (17)

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83. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 20 in D minor | 1785 | Classical
(354.78 points | 8 points)
Rank in Concertos: 18
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (48)

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82. Johannes Brahms - Violin Sonata No. 1 in G major | 1878-9 | Romantic
(356.27 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 19
Biggest Fans: Henry (17)

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81. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - "Commendatore Scene" (Don Giovanni) | 1787 | Classical
(358.51 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 20
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (46)
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:06 pm

Fantastic presentation so far, whuntva! Excellent selection of images…
And many thanks for my nomination as honorary co-host. It has been a pleasure to help, and of course to participate in this wonderful game (this poll has influenced a lot my listening habits, probably I listened more Classical music these last months than the rest of my life).

And here it is the Final Playlist with the favourite movements of the whole Top 125 (except "Stella" which is not available on Spotify). I will update it every time whuntva add new positions.


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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:25 pm

Here's the next round. I've kept you waiting long enough.

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80. Giuseppe Verdi-Mesa da Requiem | 1874 | Romantic
(362.88 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 11
Biggest Fans: Dan (12)

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79. Dmitri Shostakovitch-Symphony No. 5 in D Minor | 1937 | 20th Century
(374.18 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 12
Biggest Fans: Romain (41)

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78. Giacomo Puccini-"Nessun Dorma" (from Turandot) | 1928 | 20th Century
(376.66 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 2
Biggest Fans: Honorio (15)

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77. Bela Bartok-Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta | 1936 | 20th Century
(378.81 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Other: 22
Biggest Fans: Honorio (24)

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76. Jean Sibelius - Symphony No. 5 in E flat major | 1915 | 20th Century
(380.28 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 18
Biggest Fans: Romain (12)

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75. J.S. Bach-Well Tempered Clavier, Book 1 | 1722 | Baroque
(384.10 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 11
Biggest Fans: Dan (15)

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74. Niccolo Paganini-24 Caprices for Solo Violin | 1802-17| Classical
(391.06 points | 8 points)
Rank in Solo: 18
Biggest Fans: Henry (4)

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73. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - "Der Hölle Rache kocht in meinem Herzen" (The Magic Flute) | 1791 | Classical
(391.27 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 9
Biggest Fans: Honorio (18)

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72. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart-Clarinet Concerto in A Major | 1791 | Classical
(394.53 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 10
Biggest Fans: Honorio (11)

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71. Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony No. 10 in E minor | 1953 | 20th Century
(394.90 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 14
Biggest Fans: Honorio (5)
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Mon Aug 17, 2015 4:38 pm

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70. Jean Sibelus-Finlandia | 1899-1900 | 20th Century
(395.67 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 19
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (25)

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69. Krzysztof Penderecki-Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima | 1960 | 20th Century
(396.56 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 5
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (7)

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68. Mahler - Symphony No. 4 in G major | 1899-1900 | Romantic/Modern
(403.52 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 8
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (1)
[Lowest piece with at least one first-place vote.]

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67. Sergei Prokofiev - Suite No. 2 from Romeo and Juliet | 1935 | 20th Century
(403.61 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Other: 11
Biggest Fans: Honorio (4)

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66. Camille Saint-Saens-Danse Macabre | 1874 | Romantic
(404.21 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 4
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (5)

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65. Philip Glass-Glassworks | 1982 | 20th Century
(408.78 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 15
Biggest Fans: Honorio (20)

[This is the lowest piece which appeared on all nine lists. You can probably assume it will not be the last.]


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64. Maurice Ravel-Piano Concerto in G Major | 1931 | 20th Century
(418.35 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 14
Biggest Fans: Romain (3)

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63. Fryderyk Chopin - Fantaisie-Impromptu in C-sharp minor | 1834 | Romantic
(421.41 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 6
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (6)

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62. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 4 in F minor | 1877-78 | Romantic
(421.81 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 15
Biggest Fans: Dan (2)

[Those first few notes come, and you just hear it blast through you.]

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61. Bela Bartók - String Quartet No. 4 | 1928 | 20th Century
(425.88 points | 7 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 3
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (4)

I could try to round out the Bottom 50 today. Give me a few hours more to catch my breath! Thank you for your patience.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

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60. Franz Schubert - Piano Quintet in A major, "Trout" | 1819 | Classical
(429.38 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 4
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (13)

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59. Pyotr Ilyich Tcaikovsky-1812 Overture | 1880 | Romantic
(429.45 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 18
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (19)

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58. J.S. Bach-Suite No. 3 in D Major | 1731 | Baroque
(429.93 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 16
Biggest Fans: Honorio (10)

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57. Franz Schubert-Ave Maria | 1825 | Romantic
(438.02 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 13
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (13)

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56. Fryderyk Chopin-24 Preludes | 1838-39 | Romantic
(439.62 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 7
Biggest Fans: Dan (14)

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55. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6 in B minor, "Pathétique" | 1893 | Romantic
(447.80 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 6
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (4)

[The tearjerking final movement is enough to send a whirlwind of emotions through even the most hardened of hearts.]

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54. Steve Reich-Music for 18 Musicians | 1974-76 | 20th Century
(453.32 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 8
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (1)

[Probably my favorite discovery of the poll. Reminds me of LCD Soundsystem as an instrumental group.]

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53. Antonio Vivaldi - Concerto No. 2 in G minor, "Summer" | c.1720 | Baroque
(460.75 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 12
Bigges Fans: Honorio (2)

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52. Carl Orff - "O Fortuna" (Carmina Burana) | 1935 | 20th Century
(462.25 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 4
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (2)

[Wished this would have been higher. This is one of my favorites.]

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51. Claude Debussy-La Mer | 1903-05 | 20th Century
(465.19 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 7
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (3), Romain (7)

[We finally have a piece with more than one Top 10 vote, and well deserved!]
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby bonnielaurel » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:11 pm

Mahler at 124?? Ich hab' ein glühend Messer, ein Messer in meiner Brust. Oh weh! Das schneidt so tief. (I have a red-hot knife, a knife in my breast. O woe! It cuts so deeply.) :angry-screaming: According to me the best orchestral songs ever written. Some of my favorites didn't get much support, but that happens in polls.

Otherwise a nice presentation.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby TimmyWing » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:36 pm

Many thanks for doing this, whuntva! I'm mostly familiar with classical piano music myself, so this'll give me some things to explore over the next few months. Great presentation so far.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby DocBrown » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:11 am

whuntva wrote:54. Steve Reich-Music for 18 Musicians | 1974-76 | 20th Century
(453.32 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Other: 8
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (1)

Probably my favorite discovery of the poll.


Oh yes. Thank you, Sonofsamiam, for introducing this piece to me. It has become my obsession.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:01 pm

Alright, let's finish this. I'm going to post another set every hour today. You will all see #1 today.

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50. Ludwig van Beethoven - String Quartet No. 14 in C-Sharp minor| 1826 | Classical
(468.66 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Chanber/Ensemble: 6
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (14)

[Yes, Ludwig Van/How I love that man/Y'know the guy went deaf and didn't give a damn, no!]

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49. Wagner - Ride of the Valkyries (from "The Valkyrie") | 1851 | Romantic
(469.77 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 12
Biggest Fans: Dan (6)

[A late surge here redeems the relative under-performance of Wagner in this poll.]

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48. Edvard Grieg - Piano Concerto in A minor | 1868 | Romantic
(470.46 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 13
Biggest Fans: Henry (16)

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47. Modest Mussorgsky-Night on Bald Mountain | 1867 | Romantic
(475.41 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 10
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (3)

[Rearranged by Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov upon Mussorgsky's death.]

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46. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky-Swan Lake | 1875-76 | Romantic
(477.75 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 20
Biggest Fans: Dan (11)

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45. Ludwig van Beethoven-Violin Concerto in D Major | 1806 | Classical
(482.53 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 9
Biggest Fans: Romain (6)

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44. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart-Serenade No. 13 for Strings, "Eine kleine Nachtmusik"
(483.01 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 18
Biggest Fans: Henry (2), Schaefer.tk (5)

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43. Maurice Ravel-Bolero | 1928| 20th Century
(486.20 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 9
Biggest Fans: Romain (3)

[Props if you know where the image is from.]

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42. Claude Debussy-Suite Bergamasque | 1905 | 20th Century
(487.80 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 2
Biggest Fans: Henry (13)

[It is a whole suite, but I think most of this was for "Clair de Lune".]

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41. Antonio Vivaldi - Concerto No. 1 in E major, "Spring" | c.1720 | Baroque
(487.96 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 5
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (14), Henry (14)
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Romain » Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:50 pm

Cocacola for Le Boléro!

What a strange idear ;-) It's an american advertising?

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:06 pm

Next set! This is the last group of Ten. To build suspense, it will be in groups of FIVE from here on out!

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40. Fryderyk Chopin-Nocturnes, Op. 9 | 1827-46 | Romantic
(488.77 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Solo: 8
Biggest Fans: Honorio (8), Henry (10)

[Highest Chopin piece despite being his lowest in prelims.]

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39. Gustav Mahler-Symphony No. 5 | 1901-02 | 20th Century
(490.46 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 5
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (19)

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38. Gustav Holst-The Planets | 1914-16 | 20th Century
(494.28 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 21
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (7)

[My personal favorite movement is Mars, with Neptune a close second. But I like how they are grouped together.]

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37. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphony No. 41 in C major, "Jupiter" | 1788 | Classical
(494.89 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 7
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (10)

[Funny how this is back-to-back with The Planets". Holst's "Jupiter" is completely distinct.]

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36. J.S. Bach-Goldberg Variations | 1741 | Baroque
(497.41 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Solo: 3
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (11)

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35. Igor Stravinsky-The Firebird | 1919 | 20th Century
(498.27 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 14
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (6)


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34. Johannes Brahms - Violin Concerto in D major | 1878 | Romantic
(498.93 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 8
Biggest Fans: Honorio (29)


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33. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat minor | 1874-5 | Romantic
(501.47 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 3
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (20)

[Interesting how this is Tchaikovsky's highest ranking work.]

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32. Richard Strauss-Also Sprach Zarathustra | 1896 | Romantic
(502.59 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 6
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (11)

[Great alarm clock song.]

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31. George Frideric Handel - Messiah | 1741 | Baroque
(509.07 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 8
Biggest Fans: Dan (4), Henry (6)

Any predictions for the Top 30? Or Top 10?
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Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:09 pm

Romain wrote:Cocacola for Le Boléro!

What a strange idear ;-) It's an american advertising?


Close!

It's actually from an Italian film called "Allegro non Troppo".

It's basically an irreverent parody of Disney's Fantasia , using crude and wacky animation set to some lesser known classical works.

The "Bolero" scene chronicles evolution as basically a nod to Fantasia's "Rite of Spring". See for yourself:

Allegro non Troppo-A Little Progress

I also took the image for "Valse Triste" from this film.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:06 pm

For Our first round of Five: Nos. 30-26:

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30. J.S. Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in G major | 1718| Baroque
(511.50 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 2
Biggest Fans: Henry (9)

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29. Nikolay Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade | 1888 | Romantic
(512.77 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 2
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (21), Romain (21)

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28. Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major | 1785 | Classical
(514.29 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 11
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (7), Dan (7)

[I haven't seen Elvira Madigan, but if this piece is in it, I kind of want to.]

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27. Sergey Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor | 1900-01 | 20th Century
(514.47 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 7
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (27)

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26. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, "Eroica" | 1806 | Classical
(517.29 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 4
Biggest Fans: Honorio (6)


[Yes, folks. Beethoven had the Top Four Symphonies. Three more await.]

The plot thickens!
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25. Franz Schubert - String Quartet No. 14, "Death and the Maiden"| 1824 | Classical/Romantic
(518.78 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 2
Biggest Fans: Romain (1)


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24. Ludwig van Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 8 in C minor, "Pathétique" | 1798 | Classical
(522.66 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Solo: 13
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (14)

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23. Modest Mussorgsky-Pictures at an Exhibition | 1874 | Romantic
(524.24 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Solo: 9
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (7)

[One of the most distinctly "Russian" pieces of music ever made. Fills you with a deep feeling every time. While it is a Chamber piece, I really like it with a full orchestra as well.]

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22. Johannes Brahms - Symphony No. 4 in E minor | 1884 | Romantic
(527.87 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 19
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (4)

[Another marked improvement from prelims. Making every list this time certainly helped.]

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21. Erik Satie-Trois Gymnopedies | 1888 | Romantic
(532.55 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 1
Biggest Fans: Honorio (3), Whuntva (9)


[Age and context are important. Quarterfinalist in Unacclaimed, somewhere in the lower middle of songs, but #21 here. Kingoftonga was the only one to not vote for it, thereby making it the lowest genre winner on the final list. Still a great piece though. Yet another work to move a man to tears.]
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:34 pm

TOP 20 TIME!!!!

This segment itself was pretty decisive, but Satie came less than a point from #20.

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20. J.S. Bach - Cello Suite No. 1 in G major | c.1720 | Baroque
(533.38 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Solo: 12
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (6), Bonnielaurel (7)

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19. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 6 in F major, "Pastoral" | 1808 | Classical
(541.41 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 5
Biggest Fans: Romain (4), Henry (5)

[Beethoven's second symphony to be ranked here and the only one to be even numbered.

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18. Franz Schubert - Symphony No. 8 in B minor, "Unfinished" | c.1822 | Classical/Romantic
(542.67 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 20
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (19)

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17. Bela Bartok | Concerto for Orchestra | 1943 | 20th Century
(543.64 points | 8 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 1
Biggest Fans: Kingoftonga (2), Bonnielaurel (5), Schaefer.tk (8)

[Highest piece to not appear on every list. It's also the most recent work in the Top 20.]

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16. Hector Berlioz-Symphonie Fantastique | 1830 | Romantic
(548.16 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 10
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (10)

[Great one to throw on at Halloween. The last two movements get all the credit, but the whole piece is outstanding.]
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15. Antonin Dvorak - Symphony No. 9, "From the New World" | 1893 | Romantic
(550.83 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 9
Biggest Fans: Dan (5)

[Gets you pumped up for a sporting event.]

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14. Johann Pachelbel - Canon and Gigue in D for 3 violins and basso continuo | c.1694 | Baroque
(560.08 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Chamber/Ensemble: 1
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (1)

[The three chords of pop; essential to Western Music. I almost went with an Evangelion pic for this one, but thought it would be too nerdy for this forum.]

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13. Johannes Brahms - Ein Deutsches Requiem | 1865-68 | Romantic
(560.15 points | 9 points)
Rank in Vocal: 3
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (9)

[With composer's first names: When in doubt, go with Johann. The last two were Johann and Johannes.]

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12. Edvard Grieg | Peer Gynt Suite No. 1 | 1888 | Romantic
(562.86 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 3
Biggest Fans: Dan (10)

[There are nine suites, but this one is the catchiest. Ibsen picked a good composer.]

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11. Ludwig Van Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-flat major, "Emperor" | 1809-11 | Classical
(563.90 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 6
Biggest Fans: Bonnielaurel (2), Dan (8)

[Picture is of the young Archduke for whom the piece is dedicated.]
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby bonnielaurel » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:32 pm

Can Bach roll over Beethoven :?:

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:48 pm

Top 10 !!!

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:07 pm

Sorry about Technical difficulties!

I am ready now!

Are you on the edge of your seats?

I must say, this poll has given me new appreciation for all these pieces. I had heard several of them before, but now I'm listening in a more attentive, analytical light!

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10. J.S. Bach-Mass in B Minor | 1749 | Baroque
(565.35 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 17
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (3), Sonofsamiam (5)

[In terms of placement, the most dramatic turnaround from prelims. Only two--okay, technically three--choral pieces ranked higher.]

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9. J.S. Bach-St. Matthew's Passion | 1727 | Baroque
(569.16 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 5
Biggest Fans: Honorio (1)

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8. Ludwig van Beethoven - Piano Sonata No. 14 in C-sharp minor, "Moonlight" | 1801 | Classical
(570.26 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Solo: 5
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (12)

[Great piece. I think the low turnout had something to do with the unusual result for the Solo Round]

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7. J.S. Bach - Toccata and Fugue in D minor | 1833 | Baroque
(577.02 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Solo: 4
Biggest Fans: Whuntva (6)

[Great organ. Villains love it. Yes, I am aware this was in Fantasia, but I don't think the imagery fits this poll.

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6. Ludwig Van Beethoven - Symphony No. 7 in A major | 1811-12 | Classical
(604.99 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 3
Biggest Fans: Romain (2), Kingoftonga (3), Bonnielaurel (8), Dan (9)

[My personal favorite of Beethoven's symphonies. AKA the "Apotheosis of Dance" if you will. The second movement is beautiful, esp. In the film The Fall
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:46 pm

OK, I guess I'll pick up the tempo from here on out. I tortured you long enough.

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5. Igor Stravinsky- Rite of Spring | 1913 | 20th Century
(655.36 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Other: 1
Biggest Fans: Sonofsamiam (3), Schaefer.tk (4), Kingoftonga (8), Honorio (9), Romain (9)

[The piece with the most Top 10 votes. I was thinking this would win early on.]

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4. George Gershwin-Rhapsody in Blue for Piano and Orchestra | 1924 | 20th Century
(667.15 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Concertos: 4
Biggest Fans: Henry (7)

[Great piece, but I don't know if it's #4 against these other pieces. This is the highest non-European and highest 20th Century piece. I think it lost its genre because nobody really thinks of it as a "concerto". It's almost a symphonic poem, really.]


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3. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart-Requiem Mass in D Minor | 1791 | Classical
(672.88 votes | 9 votes)
Rank in Vocal: 1
Biggest Fans: Dan (3), Sonofsamiam (4), Honorio (7), Romain (8), Whuntva (8)

[Powerful and thought provoking. Fitting his last piece would be a Requiem Mass. Ties "Rite of Spring" for most Top 10 votes.]

20 minutes! If I don't post the Top 2 within 20 minutes of the time on this post, presume me dead!
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:54 pm

I'll just tell you now...

Both the Top 2 pieces were written by this guy!

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They're both in the same genre and it wasn't even close. It was always going to be between these two. And why not? They are the first things most people hear in their heads when they hear the words "classical music".

And Mr. Beethoven was able to keep these hour-long sets fresh and not feel bloated or boring!

The symphony is like an album in many ways. And we can all pick our favorites from both of these....

But what is the order?
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:20 pm

500 posts with that Beethoven plug. Woo-hoo!

Alright, I wanted to make this post special, so here are our Top 2.



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2. Ludwig Van Beethoven-Symphony No. 5 in C Minor | 1808-09 | Classical
(693.60 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 2
Biggest Fans: Dan (1), Schaefer.tk (2), Henry (3), Kingoftonga (10)

[da-da-da-DAAAAAA!!!! Of course this was Top 2. The symphony is often called "Destiny", and it's Fate knocking on the Door. "Your time is UP/Time to pay RENT!" Fantastic piece.]

AND OUR #1 FAVORITE CLASSICAL WORK IS...



Friedrich Schiller wrote:Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo Dein sanfter Flügel weilt.

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1. Ludwig van Beethoven-Symphony No. 9 in D minor, "Choral" | 1824 | Classical
(731.67 points | 9 votes)
Rank in Symphonies: 1
Biggest Fans: Schaefer.tk (1), Henry (1), Kingoftonga (1), Sonofsamiam (6)

[A great swansong for a great composer. All the more impressive in that he was deaf while writing it. Also the first to integrate voice as a symphonic element, this was a game-changer. As the only piece with multiple #1 votes, it was no question. So does this make it the greatest piece of Western Music ever? I don't know about that, but I would have no problems if you said it was.]

Great job all! Thanks for voting and we have a well-deserved winner of a flawed but fun poll. Some bugs were in it, but overall, I'm satisfied with how this turned out.

Now we wait for the update, when we can go back to enjoying the music of today, while keeping this music of yesterday alive!

THANK YOU!!
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Brad » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:57 am

Wow! Ludwig smokes it! Great job whuntva! I didn't participate but will now have a great place to start my journey prepping for the next go-round. Thanks so much to all of you!

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Wed Aug 19, 2015 5:15 am

Playlist updated.

Awesome presentation, whuntva. Excellent choices of pictures, excellent comments, excellent timing. Congratulations, whuntva.

And excellent list, boys (and girl). The list is very good especially coming from a bunch of non-experts in Classical music. I enjoyed it a lot. There is only one thing that makes me sad about it, the low turnout. Only 9 voters while games like Video Game Tracks are getting 11-12 voters when after all it's mostly "pseudo-Classical" music. But please please please don't take it as an offense, it's simply the feeling I got when I listened the #1 of every individual Video Game list, I just felt sad and thought: why these people are not listening to the real thing?

I just want to add some stats to the thread, stats about:

a) Years of composition:
Taking into account the year in which the composer finished the definitive composition (sometimes the writing lasted for some years) this is the graphic we obtain, with a mean of 1861,a median of 1876 and a standard deviation of 89.



If we consider the centuries represented this is the graphic we got, with the XIX Century as a clear winner. We are Romantics, aren't we?



But if we sort it by half-centuries the most represented is the first half of the XX Century.



b) Periods:
The periods in Classical music can't be assigned exactly to centuries. The classification in periods I used is slightly different than the used by whuntva, I followed the classification of the excellent web page Arkiv Music. In this page for instance Satie's "Gymnopédies" are considered 20th Century despite being written in 1888 and Sibelius "Symphony No. 5" Romantic despite being written in 1915. This is the distribution by periods:



c) Nationality:
This was one of the most difficult parts because of the historical changes on the borders of many countries in Europe. For instance Beethoven was born in Bonn, now Germany but then capital of the Electorate of Cologne part of the Holy Roman Empire. So I thought including the nation where the village or city where the composer was born now takes part. But then I found out that the village where Austrian composer Gustav Mahler was born now is part of the Czech Republic. And Hungarian composer Béla Bartók was born in a village now part of Romania. So I finally used again Arkiv Music as a guide.
The dominant nations on Classical music are quite different than in pop music. USA is still on the Top 5 but but UK almost got out of the Top 10. The German-speaking countries dominated the Poll with a crushing victory (more than 50 votes between Germany and Austria).
Here it is the Top 10 of nations:



And the rest:



d) Composers:
We included a total of 63 different composers on our Poll of 125 Classical pieces.The Top 5 of composers came from German-speaking countries (a fact that mainly explains the previous point).
Ludwig van Beethoven was our winner, with 12 pieces on the Top 125 and 3 on the Top 10, two of them of numbers 1 and 2. Johann Sebastian Bach was the second one, with 10 works, three of them on the Top 10. And Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a close third with a total of 9 pieces, only one of them on the Top 10 but at #3. Schubert and Brahms were tied on the 4th position.
Here you have the graphic with the thirteen composers with more than 2 pieces represented, one of them still alive, Philip Glass.



And the ones with 2 pieces:



e) Periods and composers:
If we combine the information from the four previous points we find:

There were only three works composed prior to 1700, two of them in the Renaissance period (witten by Palestrina and Gabrieli) and the other in the Baroque period (written by Pachelbel). Italy won this period.

The half century from 1700 to 1749 was the Baroque period, dominated by Johann Sebastian Bach (10 works). Only Vivaldi (2) and Händel (1) from this period were also selected by us. Germany was the obvious winner.

The next 50 years (from 1750 to 1799) was the Classical period, dominated by Austria and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (9 pieces), with Beethoven beginning his triumphal march in 1799 with his "Pathétique."

Ludwig Van Beethoven with 11 works (and Germany with 17) was the winner of the following period, from 1800 to 1849, a transitional period with 11 pieces filed under Classical and 13 under Romantic. Schubert, Chopin, Berlioz, Paganini, Liszt and Schumann were the most Romantic of the pack.

The next half century (from 1850 to 1899) was the peak of the Romantic period and featured a draw at the top between Brahms and Tchaikowsky, with 5 works each. There was also a tie between Germany and Russia with 8 works each (Wagner, Bruch, Strauss, Mussorgsky and Rimnsky-Korsakoff were the others). France obtained also a meritory third position (4 works by Bizet, Dukas, Saint-Saëns and Satie).

The first half of the XX Century (from 1900 to 1949) was the most represented, with a total of 30 pieces, 23 of them assigned to the 20th Century period but 7 of them still assigned to the Romantic period. The votes were more disperse than in previous periods, but France held the first position (9 works by Debussy, Ravel, Messiaen, Milhaud and Varèse) and Russia the second (5 pieces by Stravinsky, Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich and Prokofiev). And there was a triple tie of composers at the top between Debussy, Sibelius and Bartok, with three works each.

The next 50 years (from 1950 to 1999) were dominated by the USA, with 9 works (out of 15) with composers like Reich, Carter, Nancarrow, Crumb, Eastman, Adams and the winner of the period, Philip Glass with three works.

And as the one and only representant of the XXI Century we have a Japanese artist, Kashiwa Daisuke.

f) Decades:
As a final curiosity these were the decades with more representation:
1. 1870s (10 works)
2. 1910s and 1720s (8)
4. 1880s, 1890s and 1900s (7)
7. 1780s, 1930s and 1970s (6)

So, you know, the 1870s were the 1970s for Classical, with Brahms and Tchaikowsky as the biggest stars of the decade.
And the 1800s were (more or less) the 1960s for Classical (the decade with more works in the Top 10).

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Henry » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:49 am

Thanks for all the information and a great presentation.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby bonnielaurel » Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:38 am

Thanks, whuntva and Honorio, for putting so much time and effort into this. A comparison between pop history and classical history could look like this:

Middle Ages & Renaissance = Pre-1950
A lot of interesting music, but not very well-known. They're not just forerunners, but have become a specialty in itself.

Baroque = 1950s/Rock & Roll
Standard patterns emerge building on bass lines. Dance rhythms are essential.

Classical = 1960s
A small number of artists dominate and set the standards, the classical forms and structures on which all the later artists would build or revolt against. This is the period without which all the rest would have been impossible.

Romantic = 1970s and 1980s
There are more interesting artists than before, more diversity in styles, more experiment. A difference begins to emerge between music for the masses and music for the in-crowd.

20th century = 1990s and later
Music is subdivided into smaller styles for target groups. There is a lot of interesting music, but it becomes harder to reach a big audience. There's a gap between highbrow and lowbrow. Older people say, "It used to be better in our time."
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Otisredding » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:05 am

Thank you very much for participating in this poll: Bonnielaurel, Dan, Henry, Honorio, Kingoftonga, Romain, Schaefer.tk, Sonofsamiam, Whuntva (how useful and beautiful presentation)


I am a neophyte in classical music. The results of this poll will help me to listen to the masterpieces of music chosen by my AM'ers friends.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Romain » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:10 am

I just want to say thanks for the master mind of this game, for all the participants and a special thanks to Honorio for the Spotify playlist and the interesting "camemberts" stats (i don't know the name in english of the round stats).

Maybe we can make some "VS" by categories in the future with everyone nominate one or two pieces in a specific category.

Great games.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby luney6 » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:44 am

Quite the countdown, this was. The top 2 were not very surpising, but definitely deserving.

I didn't participate this time, but next time, I will be sure to.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Bruno » Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:59 am

Amazing poll!

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Dan » Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:11 pm

Thanks very much, whuntva. I really enjoyed your presentation! And thanks, Honorio, for the stats and information. This was definitely one of my favourite polls. Participating in it enriched my appreciation of music.
Let's make this a good year.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Henry » Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:15 pm

I wonder why I am not listed as a fan of Brahms "Violin Sonata No. 1 in G major" as it was my 17th favorite in the poll.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:47 am

Henry wrote:I wonder why I am not listed as a fan of Brahms "Violin Sonata No. 1 in G major" as it was my 17th favorite in the poll.


I just forgot to add you. Problem fixed.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:58 pm

whuntva wrote:Both the Top 2 pieces were written by this guy!

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They're both in the same genre and it wasn't even close. It was always going to be between these two. And why not?


You're right, whuntva. But it was not like that when I began to compile the votes. After the first few lists Beethoven's "Ninth Symphony," Mozart's "Requiem" and Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" were taken turns at #1. In fact Beethoven's "Fifth Symphony" only entered the Top 10 after the fifth list (and we are talking about only 9 lists). As a curiosity, this was the Top 10 after the first five lists:
1. Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring
2. Bach - Matthäus-Passion
3. Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
4. Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 in D minor, "Choral"
5. Mozart - Requiem Mass in D minor
6. Beethoven - Symphony No. 5 in C minor
7. Bartók - Concerto for Orchestra
8. Pachelbel - Canon and Gigue in D for 3 violins and basso continuo
9. Bach - Toccata and Fugue in D minor
10. Satie - Trois Gymnopédies

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Henrik » Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:46 am

This is fantastic. So much knowledge and heart put into this poll!

I'd like to go through Honorio's playlist and if it's ok with you I'd like to make a ranked list myself one day. Is there a spreadsheet where I can add my points? Even if you aren't interested in seeing my vote I am interested in seeing yours. :greetings-waveyellow:
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:01 am

I'll send you this spreadsheet, Henrik!

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Henrik » Sun Oct 25, 2015 9:46 am

Thanks Honorio! But why not post it here?
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Sat Oct 31, 2015 11:10 am

Henrik, I sent you the file by mail last week but I'm not sure if your received it. And I don't know how to post here the Excel file because it seems that my account on Box.net is not working properly. But let's try: here it is the
Excel file. Henrike please tell me if you can download it.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Henrik » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:09 pm

Honorio, I did receive your email(s). Sorry for not letting you know! I want to write more than just saying thanks, but I haven't found the time yet.

About posting the attachment, you don't need to link to an external file. Instead, use the "Upload attachment" below the text box.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Honorio » Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:50 am

Sorry, Henrik, I didn't know that uploading a file was so easy.
Henrik, take your time to reply, there's no hurry at all!
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Romain » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:25 am

Thanks Honorio !

I just look the point result.

I think I did not understand the voting system.
For what I see, I give almost 100 points to the music I adore, listen all the time and cry each time I listen it by puting it at the first place but also 30 points to the music I hate (profundly), just because I listen it and put last in my list.

In fact, for the music we don't like, it is better not put in the list for less points in the final, isn'it?

Is it the case for all the polls in AM? Just curious, for being more strategic in the future... yek yek yek (laught of a vilain) !

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Henrik » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:00 pm

Romain wrote:Thanks Honorio !

I just look the point result.

I think I did not understand the voting system.
For what I see, I give almost 100 points to the music I adore, listen all the time and cry each time I listen it by puting it at the first place but also 30 points to the music I hate (profundly), just because I listen it and put last in my list.

In fact, for the music we don't like, it is better not put in the list for less points in the final, isn'it?

Is it the case for all the polls in AM? Just curious, for being more strategic in the future... yek yek yek (laught of a vilain) !

Yes the scoring system probably wasn't perfect. For those who ranked all 125 piecies, number 125 got 29 points. For those who didn't rank everything, the unranked pieces got 0 points, i.e. a much worse score. But whuntva you did an amazing job on this poll and an alternative scoring system probably wouldn't have changed the list too much anyway...

I have compared the final list with the classical music I have in my Spotify lists, and was surprised about the huge difference. Here's some classical music I almost can't believe didn't make it to the final.

Mozart - Symphony No. 40
Rodgrigo - Concierto de Aranjuez
Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 3
Satie - Gnossienne
Shostakovich - String Quartet No. 8
Pärt - Spiegel im spiegel
Pärt - Something from "Tabula Rasa" ("Fratres" is the obvious choice for me, but no one seems to agree with me here)
Strauss II - An der schönen blauen Donau (I couldn't find a single vote in the classical genre polls!)
Barber - Adagio for Strings
Albinoni/Giazotto - Adagio in G Minor
Herrmann - "Vertigo: Prelude and Rooftop" and "Psycho: Prelude" (I couldn't find any votes for Bernard Herrmann either - not considered classical?)
Glass - Koyannisqatsi (same here - not a single vote)

And a few more personal favorites:
Allegri - Miserere
Brahms - Hungarian Dances (No. 5)
Schubert - 3 Marches militaries
Shostakovich - Jazz Suite No. 1
Khatchaturian - Gayane (Sabre Dance)
Anderson - The Typewriter
Pook - Masked Ball

But the more interesting stuff for me to discover! :D
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby Romain » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:50 am

Henrik wrote:Yes the scoring system probably wasn't perfect. For those who ranked all 125 piecies, number 125 got 29 points. For those who didn't rank everything, the unranked pieces got 0 points, i.e. a much worse score. But whuntva you did an amazing job on this poll and an alternative scoring system probably wouldn't have changed the list too much anyway...


Thanks Henrik for the answer. is it the same for all the games in AM polls? (however I think the list would have changed much if people had put only the albums they like... not for the first places, but after... i think yes). It's always good to know how it's work ;-)

And of course, it's not for critized Whuntva, the master of the game have done a good job ;-)

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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:36 pm

Romain wrote:
Henrik wrote:Yes the scoring system probably wasn't perfect. For those who ranked all 125 piecies, number 125 got 29 points. For those who didn't rank everything, the unranked pieces got 0 points, i.e. a much worse score. But whuntva you did an amazing job on this poll and an alternative scoring system probably wouldn't have changed the list too much anyway...


Thanks Henrik for the answer. is it the same for all the games in AM polls? (however I think the list would have changed much if people had put only the albums they like... not for the first places, but after... i think yes). It's always good to know how it's work ;-)

And of course, it's not for critized Whuntva, the master of the game have done a good job ;-)


Thanks, you guys! You don't know how happy this made me.

Remember, I never hosted a poll before, so I thought on the spot for how to tabulate the final. I used a modified version of the formula we always seem to use. It seemed right at the time. In hindsight, it probably would have been best to borrow from Petri and his film polls, where you aren't necessarily expected to vote for every selection.

Again, though, I am seriously considering hosting our End-of-Year poll for 2015, at least in part. I learned enough about Spreadsheets here that I think I can do a good job. I'll borrow Dan's smaller formula for that poll (20*(1+5)/(position+5)) because that just makes the most sense to me. But if you want to help compile the results, you are certainly welcome.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby whuntva » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:59 am

Henrik wrote:Herrmann - "Vertigo: Prelude and Rooftop" and "Psycho: Prelude" (I couldn't find any votes for Bernard Herrmann either - not considered classical?)
Glass - Koyannisqatsi (same here - not a single vote)


I was rereading this for...reasons, and I just came across this.

I should probably clarify a certain rule to Henrik. I explicitly said in my intro post film soundtracks were ineligible as they were just too varied in style and tone to be considered "classical".

We may need a separate poll just for soundtracks.

Just FYI.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: THE RESULTS

Postby sonofsamiam » Fri Feb 05, 2016 4:45 pm

Hey whuntva, I don't know if you resurrected this because you had anything in mind, but I am strongly considering hosting a new classical poll, where we just go ahead and vote for our top pieces. It would be more akin to an all-time albums poll, and I'm curious if the results would differ since it would be more about peoples' overall favorites.

To make it easier, I would start with a list of ~1000 compositions, though people could have items not in the list of course. This would be just to ensure standardization of naming convention, and to remind people of the breadth of stuff out there. I would also allow full operas to be voted.

I would not include film music, though might make an exception for Koyannisqatsi, as it feels like the exception that proves the rule (essentially, it IS the movie just as much as the images). Still undecided there.

What do you think? Too soon? Were you planning something else?


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