AMF All-Time Song Poll (2015 edition results)

jamieW · Post by **jamieW** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:16 pm

Blanco wrote:I think this is the best list to find "lost" or "new" jewels:
If we divide the points each song earned by the number of votes, these are the top 100 songs that on average scored better votes, with a minimum of 2 votes (In other words: people who put these songs on their lists, put them in a very high place):

This list is awesome, Blanco! (And not just because it has many of my favorites, but mostly because it also has several songs I'm not familiar with to visit for the first time.) Thanks for posting!

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:22 pm

Blanco wrote: 25. Pearl Jam - Even Flow
30. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart
44. Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven
45. Robert Wyatt - Sea Song
51. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
55. Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell - Ain't No Mountain High Enough
58. Bob Dylan - Like a Rolling Stone
65. Bruce Springsteen - Thunder Road
82. The Beatles - Twist and Shout
87. Eric Clapton - Wonderful Tonight
93. The Beatles - Let it Be
96. The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations
98. Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody

Classic ones. But a great list, Blanco.

TimmyWing · Post by **TimmyWing** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 6:24 pm

GucciLittlePiggy wrote:I don't know why I thought this would be a forum favorite, but all the way up until about the top 150 or so I kept expecting to see "The Stars of Track and Field' by Belle and Sebastian. It's my favorite of theirs and I thought many others would feel the same.

I'd agree with you there! Unfortunately I found myself only being able to put it as high as 391 on my list, but it is astonishingly good. Oddly enough I haven't really listened to much Belle outside of their first two albums - it's like the quality there is more than enough to leave me satisfied.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:41 pm

Top Unranked with 500 points or more (songs not in AM) (with 2014/2015 songs)

1 The Zombies - This Will Be Our Year
2 Pink Floyd - Echoes
3 Ennio Morricone - The Ecstasy of Gold
4 The Zombies - Hung Up On A Dream
5 The Who - Behind Blue Eyes
6 Kashiwa Daisuke - Stella
7 Charles Mingus - Modes D, E, And F - Trio and Group Dancers
8 Art Ensemble Of Chicago - Theme de Yoyo
9 Joni Mitchell - River
10 Queen - Don't Stop Me Now
11 Kanye West - Lost in the World
12 Pharoah Sanders - The Creator Has A Master Plan
13 Chico Buarque - Construção
14 Deep Purple - Child in Time
15 Pavement - Fillmore Jive
16 King Crimson - Starless
17 The National - Afraid of Everyone
18 Gil Scott-Heron - Home Is Where the Hatred Is
19 Joanna Newsom - Emily
20 Arvo Pärt - Cantus In Memory of Benjamin Britten
21 Björk - Isobel
22 The Beatles - You Never Give Me Your Money/Abbey Road Medley
23 R.E.M. - Gardening At Night
24 The National - England
25 Massive Attack - Angel
26 TV On the Radio - DLZ
27 David Axelrod - The Human Abstract
28 Lady Lamb The Beekeeper - Bird Balloons
29 Nas - N.Y. State of Mind
30 Boards of Canada - Roygbiv
31 Grimes - Realiti
32 R.E.M. - Carnival of Sorts (Box Cars)
33 Os Mutantes - Panis et Circencis
34 Perfume Genius - Queen
35 Brian Eno - St. Elmo's Fire
36 Serge Gainsbourg - Cargo Culte
37 Benjamin Biolay - Brandt Rhapsody
38 Curtis Mayfield - Right On for the Darkness
39 David Bowie - Aladdin Sane
40 Roxy Music - Editions Of You
41 Anaïs Mitchell - Why We Build The Wall
42 The Zombies - Brief Candles
43 Au Pairs - Headache for Michelle
44 The Stooges - 1970
45 Björk - Hunter
46 Erik Satie - Gymnopédie n1
47 Björk - All Is Full of Love
48 Led Zeppelin - The Battle of Evermore
49 Brian Eno - Golden Hours
50 Pixies - Gouge Away
51 Love - You Set The Scene
52 Kanye West - Hold My Liquor
53 Focus - Hocus Pocus
54 Roxy Music - If There Is Something
55 Nirvana - Dumb
56 Sigur Rós - (Untitled 8)
57 Michael Andrews and Gary Jules - Mad World
58 Radiohead - Exit Music (For A Film)
59 Paco de Lucia - Entre dos aguas
60 Joy Division - Decades
61 Low - Nothing But Heart
62 The Alan Parsons Project - Old and Wise
63 Sergei Prokofiev - Romeo and Juliet : The Knights' Dance (Montagues and Capulets)
64 Miles Davis - Blue In Green
65 Sufjan Stevens - Jacksonville
66 Talking Heads - The Great Curve
67 Stevie Wonder - Visions
68 Cesária Évora - Sodade
69 Kanye West feat. Paul McCartney - Only One
70 Heart - These Dreams
71 Creedence Clearwater Revival - Ramble Tamble
72 St. Vincent - Digital Witness
73 Burial - Ashtray Wasp
74 Radiohead - Bodysnatchers
75 Brian Eno - The Big Ship
76 Modest Mouse - Trailer Trash
77 Built to Spill - Velvet Waltz
78 Charles Mingus - The Shoes Of The Fisherman's Wife Are Some Jive Ass Slippers
79 Disco Inferno - The Long Dance
80 Steely Dan - Doctor WU
81 Built to Spill - I Would Hurt A Fly
82 Led Zeppelin - Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You
83 T. Rex - Cosmic Dancer
84 Bruce Springsteen - Tenth Avenue Freeze out
85 Nick Drake - Three Hours
86 Wire - Mannequin
87 The Cowboy Junkies - Sweet Jane
88 Neutral Milk Hotel - King of Carrot Flowers, Pt. 1
89 Jacques Brel - Vesoul
90 Eels - Last Stop: This Town
91 Goran Bregovic - Ederlezi
92 Jackson C. Frank - I Want To Be Alone (Dialogue)
93 Genesis - Supper's Ready
94 Earth, Wind & Fire - September
95 The Clash - Safe European Home
96 Rainbow - Since You've Been Gone
97 Elvis Costello - (The Angels Wanna Wear My) Red Shoes
98 Beck - The Golden Age
99 Gerry and the Pacemakers - You'll Never Walk Alone
100 Sufjan Stevens - Come On! Feel the Illinoise!
101 Lou Christie - Paint America Love
102 Mahmoud Ahmed - Ere Mela Mela
103 Sleater-Kinney - Entertain
104 Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Sleep
105 The Moody Blues - Question
106 The White Stripes - You're Pretty Good Looking (For A Girl)
107 The Band - Whispering Pines
108 Nirvana - Polly
109 Ghostface Killah - Shakey Dog
110 György Ligeti - Requiem
111 Rachid Taha - Ya Rayah
112 Belle & Sebastian - Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying
113 Sufjan Stevens - I Want to Be Well
114 Fever Ray - I'm Not Done
115 The Kinks - Shangri-La
116 Weezer - Pink Triangle
117 Björk - Unison
118 Georges Brassens - La Marine
119 The Flaming Lips - The Spark That Bled
120 The Beatles - Cry Baby Cry
121 Bernard Herrmann - Psycho: Prelude/ The Murder / Finale
122 Joni Mitchell - All I Want
123 Steely Dan - Black Cow
124 Mulatu Astatké - Yèkèrmo sèw
125 Claude Debussy - Clair de Lune
126 Ann Peebles - I'm Gonna Tear Your Plahouse Down
127 Paul Simon - Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes
128 Future Islands - Seasons (Waiting on You)
129 Neil Young - Everybody Knows This is Nowhere
130 Ennio Morricone - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
131 The Pogues - The Band Played Waltzing Mathilda
132 Wilco - Impossible Germany
133 Sade - No Ordinary Love
134 Radiohead - My Iron Lung
135 Olivia Newton-John - Hopelessly Devoted to You
136 Yann Tiersen - La valse des monstres
137 Clifford T. Ward - Home Thoughts From Abroad
138 Colosseum - Valentyne Suite
139 Jeanette - Porque te Vas
140 Elton John - Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding
141 Klaus Schulze - Ludwig II Von Bayern
142 IAM - Demain c'est Loin
143 Georges Brassens - Je me suis fait tout p'tit
144 Krzysztof Penderecki - Threnody for The Victims of Hiroshima
145 Bruce Springsteen - Spirit In The Night
146 The Smiths - I Know It's Over
147 Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda
148 Bruce Springsteen - Adam Raised a Cain
149 The Modern Lovers - Hospital
150 John Coltrane - Ascension
151 The National - Ada
152 The Gun Club - She's Like Heroin To Me
153 The Stooges - Gimme Danger
154 Camarón de la Isla - La Leyenda del tiempo
155 Todd Rundgren - Couldn't I Just Tell You
156 Kavinsky - Nightcall
157 Ennio Morricone - Once Upon A Time In The West
158 Violent Femmes - Add It Up
159 Queen - Radio Ga Ga
160 Neil Young - I Believe In You
161 Compay Segundo - Yo Vengo Aqui
162 Creedence Clearwater Revival - Long as I Can See the Light
163 Air - La Femme d'Argent
164 Foxygen - How Can You Really
165 Courtney Barnett - Pedestrian at Best
166 Faces - Ooh La La
167 Leadbelly - Where Did You Sleep Last Night?
168 Carla Bley - Hotel Overture
169 Sleater-Kinney - One Beat

whuntva · Post by **whuntva** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:21 am

Bruno wrote:
Blanco wrote: 25. Pearl Jam - Even Flow
30. Joy Division - Love Will Tear Us Apart
44. Led Zeppelin - Stairway to Heaven
45. Robert Wyatt - Sea Song
51. Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run
55. Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell - Ain't No Mountain High Enough
58. Bob Dylan - Like a Rolling Stone
65. Bruce Springsteen - Thunder Road
82. The Beatles - Twist and Shout
87. Eric Clapton - Wonderful Tonight
93. The Beatles - Let it Be
96. The Beach Boys - Good Vibrations
98. Queen - Bohemian Rhapsody
Classic ones. But a great list, Blanco.

"Even Flow" isn't a "forum classic" per se. Good list, but if you do revise, that one can stay.

TimmyWing · Post by **TimmyWing** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:27 pm

Blanco wrote:I think this is the best list to find "lost" or "new" jewels:
If we divide the points each song earned by the number of votes, these are the top 100 songs that on average scored better votes, with a minimum of 2 votes (In other words: people who put these songs on their lists, put them in a very high place):

Interesting, I'll be taking a look at this to see which ones I'm unfamiliar with that grab me.

Thoughts so far:

That Lady Lamb song could be a grower...enough substance there musically for me to return to it.
Filmore Jive I've only heard in the context of Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain - and while it's a great closer, there are definitely some other tracks on that album that outshine it. Gold Soundz, par exemple!
The Sigur Rós track is magical, surprising no-one. Like Björk, they're one of those artists I definitely enjoy, but I just haven't listened to them enough to single out specific favourites (apart from Svefn-g-englar - that and Hoppipola are what brought be to Sigur Rós in the first place).
Nothing but Heart is nice. Just starting to get into Low; have not been disappointed yet.
Cantus in Memoriam Benjamin Britten is very powerful - and having the last bell's overtones be so distinct is a stroke of genius. BUT, my favourite discovery so far has been the Disco Inferno track. I'm a massive fan of New Order, so this sort of thing is right up my alley.

Listyguy · Post by **Listyguy** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 2:02 pm

Looking through the spreadsheets, most of the songs I was the only vote for don't really surprise me, but one jumped off the page at me: "Prove It All Night". I guess I projected the forum's love of Bruce Springsteen and "Darkness on the Edge of Town" onto that song, which I view as the best on that album.

Blanco · Post by **Blanco** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:47 pm

Blanco wrote:I think this is the best list to find "lost" or "new" jewels:
If we divide the points each song earned by the number of votes, these are the top 100 songs that on average scored better votes, with a minimum of 2 votes (In other words: people who put these songs on their lists, put them in a very high place):

Here is a playlist, if anyone is interested:

I did not find some exact versions, but I tried to get as close as possible.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:27 pm

Thanks, Blanco!

Moonbeam · Post by **Moonbeam** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:28 am

Thanks for putting this together, BleuPanda!

Most of the changes from the last list are not ones I'm happy about, which was my complaint about the last list as well.

Oh well. Glad to see "All My Friends" make a huge jump!

phil · Post by **phil** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:28 am

BleuPanda wrote:Here's the year breakdown.

Thanks for the countdown and the lists Bleu.

Based on the poll here and looking back to 2012, as already noted there is a clear skew towards late 60s/early 70s as already noted. Looking through individual lists, this skew doesn't seem to be so apparent. I think in part it is that the votes going towards these 60s/70s years are more concentrated in a smaller number of songs, rather than spread over a large number. Probably due to many factors including broader availability of niche music (allowing more exploration into lesser-known artists), consensus that has built up over time by critics and fans of the 'best' music of the 60s/70s era (which is then self-fulfilled in polls, as these are the tracks that people have heard & also the tracks that people know are 'safer' votes).

I'd be interested to see what the year breakdown would look like if all points were included (including those that fall outside the top 1000), as opposed to counting the # that made it into the 1000. This would show whether the skew is due to concentration of votes for these years, or a real preference for these years. (I'm sure this is not possible / very difficult to get all of the years against each track - so I'm not asking BleuPanda or anyone else to do this!).

phil · Post by **phil** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:29 am

Blanco wrote:I think this is the best list to find "lost" or "new" jewels:
If we divide the points each song earned by the number of votes, these are the top 100 songs that on average scored better votes, with a minimum of 2 votes (In other words: people who put these songs on their lists, put them in a very high place):

Great list Blanco. Thanks for putting this together - I agree this is a really useful way of gathering the data to find great tracks that have potentially been lost along the way.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:22 pm

Bad news, Bleupanda. I just decided to add the first batch of 2015 songs to my all time songs list. The two songs I added?

217. Tame Impala- Let It Happen
254. Courtney Barnett- Pedestrian at Best

With my vote for "Pedestrian at Best", I'm sure the song would've made our top 1000! Sorry I was a bit too late adding these 2015 songs though. I like to wait a couple months before adding any new songs to my list.

PlasticRam · Post by **PlasticRam** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:54 pm

Nick wrote:Bad news, Bleupanda. I just decided to add the first batch of 2015 songs to my all time songs list. The two songs I added?

217. Tame Impala- Let It Happen
254. Courtney Barnett- Pedestrian at Best

With my vote for "Pedestrian at Best", I'm sure the song would've made our top 1000! Sorry I was a bit too late adding these 2015 songs though. I like to wait a couple months before adding any new songs to my list.

I don't think we should change the results anymore, unless there are errors.

Jackson · Post by **Jackson** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:05 pm

Bruno wrote: 37 Benjamin Biolay - Brandt Rhapsody

I remember seeing this on some of our previous lists and liking it, but never added it to my collection. This is a great song, I'm sure it will feature on my lists next time.

Jackson · Post by **Jackson** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:07 pm

The best way to 'toggle' the results to make them more interesting isn't to go by post count or only including the top 100, it's to make a delineation between the lists highly correlated to the AM list vs. those with more eclectic tastes. Last time, sonofsamiam just separated out the "Stairway to Heaven" voters from those who didn't vote for it and it was pretty fun (I remember "B.O.B." was #1 on the alternative list). Would be interested in someone running something like that again!

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:10 pm

PlasticRam wrote:
Nick wrote:Bad news, Bleupanda. I just decided to add the first batch of 2015 songs to my all time songs list. The two songs I added?

217. Tame Impala- Let It Happen
254. Courtney Barnett- Pedestrian at Best

With my vote for "Pedestrian at Best", I'm sure the song would've made our top 1000! Sorry I was a bit too late adding these 2015 songs though. I like to wait a couple months before adding any new songs to my list.
I don't think we should change the results anymore, unless there are errors.

Oh, definitely not. The results are the results, and they should remain the same.
I'm just lamenting the fact that I added those 2015 songs just a little too late.

jamieW · Post by **jamieW** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:57 pm

Jackson wrote:The best way to 'toggle' the results to make them more interesting isn't to go by post count or only including the top 100, it's to make a delineation between the lists highly correlated to the AM list vs. those with more eclectic tastes. Last time, sonofsamiam just separated out the "Stairway to Heaven" voters from those who didn't vote for it and it was pretty fun (I remember "B.O.B." was #1 on the alternative list). Would be interested in someone running something like that again!

I actually found out just how correlated some lists were with the AM list when I was considering creating a weekly game based upon the highest ranked songs on the individual lists that weren’t on AM (including bubblers). My plan was to list the highest unranked song on everyone’s list and give everyone who was interested a month to rank their 10 favorites from the group. (Actually, since there were 52 lists this time, I was going to divide them in half, ranking from the first 26 the first month, and the second 26 the next, just to keep it manageable.) I was inspired to do this by how well songs featured in other games (“Stella,” “Sinnerman,” “Right On For the Darkness,” “Brandt Rhapsodie”) have done in the all-time songs poll. I figured that we could have even more interesting songs in our list next time if they just received a little more exposure on the forum. (In fact, I planned on keeping the monthly rotation of highest ranked non-AM songs going right up to the next poll.)

Unfortunately, I gave up on the idea when I discovered that on some lists I needed to go all the way into the 400s to find a song that wasn’t on the site. It just seemed somewhat slanted to be ranking top 5 songs from some lists against bottom 100 songs from others. This is absolutely nothing against the people whose lists contain almost all AM songs. I completely understand that some people rely very heavily on this site for their music listening. (A quick scan through the radio on a given day really helps me understand why!)

BleuPanda · Post by **BleuPanda** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:20 am

Yeah, I'm one of those admittedly generic people. As I've said before, I didn't really even start listening to music until I found this site, and I still have plenty of music to get through here before stepping outside the site. If I actually included video game music on my list that would probably be different, but yeah...

VanillaFire1000 · Post by **VanillaFire1000** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:40 am

Wow, great lists! Glad I found enough time to make one.

jamieW · Post by **jamieW** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:55 am

BleuPanda wrote:Yeah, I'm one of those admittedly generic people. As I've said before, I didn't really even start listening to music until I found this site, and I still have plenty of music to get through here before stepping outside the site. If I actually included video game music on my list that would probably be different, but yeah...

I definitely wouldn’t call it generic, BleuPanda. I would guess at least half of the songs on my list don’t appear on AM, but it’s largely because, when I was young, I listened to tons of mainstream radio. If this site had existed back then, the vast majority of my list would probably be made up of these songs instead, since my favorite songs and best memories revolve around my youth. In fact, if this site had been my major source instead of the radio of my youth, I’d probably be a lot less embarrassed by some of my selections!

phil · Post by **phil** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:12 am

Jackson wrote:The best way to 'toggle' the results to make them more interesting isn't to go by post count or only including the top 100, it's to make a delineation between the lists highly correlated to the AM list vs. those with more eclectic tastes.

Maschine_Man · Post by **Maschine_Man** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:32 am

So I haven't had a computer for about two weeks (moved house and then went on vacation without much internet for 12 days). I didn't realise this would be rolled out so soon. I'll go through a bit closer and read everything but a few comments:

441. Daft Punk - Da Funk (1995)
179. Edith Piaf - Non, je ne regrette rien (1960)
128. Björk - Bachelorette (1997)
85. The Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatrist (2000)
I'm so happy these songs made it, and so high up!

83. The Mamas and the Papas - California Dreamin' (1965)
32. The Ronettes - Be my Baby (1963)
These two should have been in my top 100

Top 10 biggest falls:
1. Sigur Ros - Svegn-f-englar (-689 from 241 to 930)
I'm not angry AMF, I'm just disappointed

Top 10 biggest climbs:
1. The B-52's - Rock Lobster (725 from 945 to 220)
Well, not too disappointed

Romain · Post by **Romain** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:01 am

jamieW wrote: Unfortunately, I gave up on the idea when I discovered that on some lists I needed to go all the way into the 400s to find a song that wasn’t on the site. It just seemed somewhat slanted to be ranking top 5 songs from some lists against bottom 100 songs from others. This is absolutely nothing against the people whose lists contain almost all AM songs. I completely understand that some people rely very heavily on this site for their music listening. (A quick scan through the radio on a given day really helps me understand why!)

Too bad you gave up, it's a fantastic idear. If you drive this game, for sure, I will become a passenger.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:04 am

jamieW wrote:
BleuPanda wrote:Yeah, I'm one of those admittedly generic people. As I've said before, I didn't really even start listening to music until I found this site, and I still have plenty of music to get through here before stepping outside the site. If I actually included video game music on my list that would probably be different, but yeah...
I definitely wouldn’t call it generic, BleuPanda. I would guess at least half of the songs on my list don’t appear on AM, but it’s largely because, when I was young, I listened to tons of mainstream radio. If this site had existed back then, the vast majority of my list would probably be made up of these songs instead, since my favorite songs and best memories revolve around my youth. In fact, if this site had been my major source instead of the radio of my youth, I’d probably be a lot less embarrassed by some of my selections!

I think we all pass through that stage. First it's the parent's record collection, then in high school my friends' record collection, top 40, & pre-TRL MTV, then the internet came in college. First I listened mostly to hits that charted in Billboard and then I moved on to critics lists and finally this site.

I think the lists handed by critics are likewise evolving. If you look at old critics lists there's no "A Day in the Life", "Life on Mars", "Gimme Shelter" or "Tiny Dancer" such as the Rolling Stones Top 100 in the late 80's or VH1's Top 100 in the 90's. Who knows what old songs would gain new-found relevance in the next AMF poll?

Henry · Post by **Henry** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:18 pm

jamieW wrote:
Jackson wrote:The best way to 'toggle' the results to make them more interesting isn't to go by post count or only including the top 100, it's to make a delineation between the lists highly correlated to the AM list vs. those with more eclectic tastes. Last time, sonofsamiam just separated out the "Stairway to Heaven" voters from those who didn't vote for it and it was pretty fun (I remember "B.O.B." was #1 on the alternative list). Would be interested in someone running something like that again!
I actually found out just how correlated some lists were with the AM list when I was considering creating a weekly game based upon the highest ranked songs on the individual lists that weren’t on AM (including bubblers). My plan was to list the highest unranked song on everyone’s list and give everyone who was interested a month to rank their 10 favorites from the group. (Actually, since there were 52 lists this time, I was going to divide them in half, ranking from the first 26 the first month, and the second 26 the next, just to keep it manageable.) I was inspired to do this by how well songs featured in other games (“Stella,” “Sinnerman,” “Right On For the Darkness,” “Brandt Rhapsodie”) have done in the all-time songs poll. I figured that we could have even more interesting songs in our list next time if they just received a little more exposure on the forum. (In fact, I planned on keeping the monthly rotation of highest ranked non-AM songs going right up to the next poll.)

Unfortunately, I gave up on the idea when I discovered that on some lists I needed to go all the way into the 400s to find a song that wasn’t on the site. It just seemed somewhat slanted to be ranking top 5 songs from some lists against bottom 100 songs from others. This is absolutely nothing against the people whose lists contain almost all AM songs. I completely understand that some people rely very heavily on this site for their music listening. (A quick scan through the radio on a given day really helps me understand why!)

I would be very interested in understanding how the various voters correlate with the AM list. I am confident that the list influences me to some extent, but do not have a strong view as to how closely my list correlates to the AM list. For example, my initial guess is that Moonbeam's list has a lower correlation with the AM list than my list

Jackson · Post by **Jackson** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 2:52 pm

That alternative top 100 is really cool. Nice mix of the consensus favorites with some out of nowhere picks (Fillmore Jive and Pagan Poetry top 50!).

My guess is Bruno had the most consensus list and CharlieDriggs was the least correlated.

Nassim · Post by **Nassim** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:34 pm

phil wrote:
Jackson wrote:The best way to 'toggle' the results to make them more interesting isn't to go by post count or only including the top 100, it's to make a delineation between the lists highly correlated to the AM list vs. those with more eclectic tastes.
And with just the 7 least conforming voters:
1 | LCD Soundsystem | All My Friends | (18)
3 | Pavement | Fillmore Jive | (427)
4 | Arcade Fire | Wake Up | (62)
5 | David Bowie | Moonage Daydream | (266)
6 | Modest Mouse | Trailer Trash | (825)
7 | Led Zeppelin | Since I've Been Loving You | (483)
9 | Radiohead | Fake Plastic Trees | (139)
10 | Big Star | Thirteen | (360)
11 | LCD Soundsystem | Someone Great | (163)
14 | Outkast | B.O.B. | (29)
15 | Portishead | Roads | (481)

Given what's in there, I'm guess I'm one of those 7 least conforming voters. In a way that's nice, because more than for any list I have made before I feel here were 500 songs I truly love. For the previous poll I started with a 700 songs list and had some trouble cutting down to 500 because the distinction was not that clear ; this time my preliminary draft was around 520 songs, and they were all "obvious" picks, real standouts, so what I guess I mean here is that I feel I have found my real personal favorite music more than ever.
That being said my list would probably look much more unconventional in a Pitchfork, Treble or Stereogum readers poll... sure some songs like Velvet Waltz would still be very personal favorite, but I would probably fit the mold.
And I don't know if I deserve to be called more eclectic than people who got a lot of songs from AM, because sure I have more 90s and 00s centered genres than most, but I also have no jazz, very little world music and disco and almost no pre 60s songs. I would call lists from Dan or Nicolas, while most likely closer to AM and the final list, more eclectic than mine (though most likely the crown would go to sonfosamiam ! )

So sure I like those "non conforming" or "top 100" lists better, but it's because there fit closer to my tastes, not because they are better per se.

I have been listening to the top 1000 on spotify on shuffle for a week now (not a good shuffle though, some songs seem to come back again and again). It's really fun, sometimes I realise I have missed things in the poll (we included Baby One More Time ??? And higher than Toxic ?)
Sometimes I am a bit puzzled too, I understand the love for Elvis Costello but I really don't get why those that are acclaimed are better received than others. On the 7 we have put, while all are enjoyable, I only find Beyond Belief and I Want You outstanding, on the other hand we have nothing from This Year's Model (especially no Lipstick Vogue ???), no Radio, Radio, no Shipbuilding (or its cover)... that's a mystery to me !

Post by **Henrik** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:13 pm

Correlations!

Here are the number of songs from each voter's top 500 ballot that are in the AM top 500 and that made the top 500 in our poll.

Nick | AM 362 | AMF 315
BleuPanda | AM 297 | AMF 294
Bruno | AM 297 | AMF 256
Dexter | AM 270 | AMF 230
whuntva | AM 182 | AMF 188
Dan | AM 172 | AMF 204
stone37 | AM 171 | AMF 182
TimmyWing | AM 145 | AMF 174
Romain | AM 141 | AMF 165
Rob | AM 138 | AMF 179
PlasticRam | AM 127 | AMF 162
Listyguy | AM 126 | AMF 175
Live in Phoenix | AM 120 | AMF 141
GucciLittlePiggy | AM 114 | AMF 150
Nicolas | AM 114 | AMF 147
Henrik | AM 114 | AMF 137
DaveC | AM 113 | AMF 158
BryanBehar | AM 112 | AMF 131
Jackson | AM 103 | AMF 145
Michel | AM 100 | AMF 120
Krurze | AM 98 | AMF 107
bonnielaurel | AM 96 | AMF 103
Red Ant | AM 93 | AMF 104
Henry | AM 86 | AMF 96
jamieW | AM 84 | AMF 118
Maschine_Man | AM 81 | AMF 99
antonius | AM 78 | AMF 91
DocBrown | AM 76 | AMF 101
Blanco | AM 63 | AMF 83
Charlie Driggs | AM 55 | AMF 70
Brad | AM 48 | AMF 74
Fred | AM 44 | AMF 62
sonofsamiam | AM 44 | AMF 78
Nassim | AM 33 | AMF 69
Moonbeam | AM 30 | AMF 44
Zombeels | AM 20 | AMF 33
Georgie | AM 20 | AMF 28

Note: Only those who made lists of 500 songs are included in this list.

Listyguy · Post by **Listyguy** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:33 pm

I think sometime in the near future, we should do a "Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" poll on the forum, given their overall lack of representation in the main songs poll. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the top songs aren't the same, because you'd likely only get more hardcore hip hop fans voting, as opposed to the "I don't really like rap, but I'll put 10 Kanye songs on my list" people. I'm definitely not an avid rap fan, but I think it would be interesting.

Henry · Post by **Henry** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:43 pm

Henrik wrote:Correlations!

Here are the number of songs from each voter's top 500 ballot that are in the AM top 500 and that made the top 500 in our poll.

Henry | AM 86 | AMF 96
Moonbeam | AM 30 | AMF 44
Zombeels | AM 20 | AMF 33
Georgie | AM 20 | AMF 28

Note: Only those who made lists of 500 songs are included in this list.

Thankfully, our "generic' characterization is not based solely on our ranking of "Stairway to Heaven."

As I predicted, Moonbeam is one of the least correlated.

GucciLittlePiggy · Post by **GucciLittlePiggy** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:58 pm

Listyguy wrote:I think sometime in the near future, we should do a "Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" poll on the forum, given their overall lack of representation in the main songs poll. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the top songs aren't the same, because you'd likely only get more hardcore hip hop fans voting, as opposed to the "I don't really like rap, but I'll put 10 Kanye songs on my list" people. I'm definitely not an avid rap fan, but I think it would be interesting.

Yes, please! I hope many others are interested because you're right that the genre is underrepresented on this list.

Jackson · Post by **Jackson** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:58 pm

Listyguy wrote:I think sometime in the near future, we should do a "Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" poll on the forum, given their overall lack of representation in the main songs poll. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the top songs aren't the same, because you'd likely only get more hardcore hip hop fans voting, as opposed to the "I don't really like rap, but I'll put 10 Kanye songs on my list" people. I'm definitely not an avid rap fan, but I think it would be interesting.

I was thinking the same thing recently...still fear Kanye domination.

Live in Phoenix · Post by **Live in Phoenix** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:14 pm

Listyguy wrote:I think sometime in the near future, we should do a "Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" poll on the forum, given their overall lack of representation in the main songs poll. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the top songs aren't the same, because you'd likely only get more hardcore hip hop fans voting, as opposed to the "I don't really like rap, but I'll put 10 Kanye songs on my list" people. I'm definitely not an avid rap fan, but I think it would be interesting.

My list would look like rap music mysteriously stopped existing after 1997. (Minor hyperbole) Well, we could all give it a whirl.

Listyguy · Post by **Listyguy** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:22 pm

Jackson wrote: I was thinking the same thing recently...still fear Kanye domination.

There probably would be but hopefully to a lesser extent. I predict a top 5 finish for Nas if this ever happens.

Bruno · Post by **Bruno** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:10 am

Listyguy wrote:I think sometime in the near future, we should do a "Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" poll on the forum, given their overall lack of representation in the main songs poll. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the top songs aren't the same, because you'd likely only get more hardcore hip hop fans voting, as opposed to the "I don't really like rap, but I'll put 10 Kanye songs on my list" people. I'm definitely not an avid rap fan, but I think it would be interesting.

Amazing idea, Listguy!

whuntva · Post by **whuntva** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:39 am

Listyguy wrote:
Jackson wrote: I was thinking the same thing recently...still fear Kanye domination.
There probably would be but hopefully to a lesser extent. I predict a top 5 finish for Nas if this ever happens.

I could do it.

I know I wouldn't put 10 Kanye songs. I even have a definitive #1 for this one. While my top pick changes for the overall list, I do know my favorite rap song.

notbrianeno · Post by **notbrianeno** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:44 am

Rap albums or songs poll I would be 20000% pumped for!!!

phil · Post by **phil** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:13 am

I've realised on seeing Henrik's list of correlations to the list that I made a bit of an error in my lists. I didn't account for some voters having less than 500 songs in their lists. This meant that some voters were considered non-conformist voters just because they didn't list as many songs (so didn't have as much crossover with the list). I've updated now, applying a scale according no number of votes. It's not a huge difference - but I'll update the lists in my posts above soon. [Edit: Now updated]

On my system, voters ordered from most consensus to least:
Nick, JimmyJazz, BleuPanda, Bruno, Dexter, luney6, Dan, whuntva, ordinaryperson, OtisRedding, stone37, Rob, Jirin, TimmyWing, Romain, Sweepstake Ron, Nicolas, PlasticRam, Listyguy, GucciLittlePiggy, hectorthebat, DaveC, Live in Phoenix, Andre, kingoftonga, Henrik, Michel, Jackson, Red Ant, BryanBehar, Henry, Gillingham, VanillaFire, bonnielaurel, Krurze, jamieW, Maschine_Man, DocBrown, Toni, Charlie Driggs, antonius, Brad, Blanco, sonofsamiam, Fred, acroamor, Jeff, Nassim, notbrianeno, Georgie, Moonbeam, Zombeels

whuntva · Post by **whuntva** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:38 am

Someone asked this in passing, and I felt like ranking it, but here are...

Songs in the AM Top 500 that did NOT make the poll's Top 1000

126) Elvis Presley-Mystery Train
163) Gene Vincent and his Blue Caps-Be-Bop-A-Lula
168) Hank Williams, Sr.-I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry (although it does make BleuPanda's "regulars only" version)
169) Elvis Presley-Don't Be Cruel
195) Hot Chip-Over and Over
205) Sam Cooke-you Send Me
206) Big Joe Turner-Shake, Rattle, and Roll
211) Troggs-Wild Thing
212) Peter, Bjorn, and John-Young Folks
224) Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers-Why do Fools Fall in Love?
226) Chuck Berry-Roll over Beethoven
232) Shangri-La's-Leader of the Pack
237) Woody Guthrie-This Land is Your Land
252) The Postal Service-Such Great Heights
255) The Crystals-Da Doo Ron Ron (When He Walked me Home)
258) Frankie Goes to Hollywood-Relax
281) Jackie Wilson-(Your Love Keeps Lifting Me) Higher and Higher
286) Tyler, The Creator-Yonkers
296) The Box Tops-The Letter
306) The Everly Brothers-Bye Bye Love
308) Ray Charles-I've Got a Woman
312) Lorde-Royals
314) Muddy Waters-Hoochie Coochie Man
316) Eminem-My Name Is
318) Link Wray-Rumble
319) Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti-Round and Round
328) Stardust-Music Sounds Better with You (Again, makes the "regulars only" list)
331) M/A/R/R/S-Pump up the Volume
333) Bo Diddley-Who do you Love
334) MC5-Kick out the Jams
335) Beastie Boys-Fight for your Right
336) Isley Brothers-Shout (Parts 1 & 2)
337) Jackie Brenston-Rocket 88
338) Ann Peebles-I Can't Stand the Rain
348) Sly and the Family Stone-Dance to the Music
356) Five Satins-In the Still of the Nite
358) NWA-F*** Tha Police
362) Isaac Hayes-Theme from Shaft
364) Joy Division-Transmission
370) Chubby Checker-The Twist
371) Amerie-1 Thing
378) Everley Brothers-Cathy's Clown
379) The Who-I Can See for Miles
382) Gladys Knight and the Pips-Midnight Train to Georgia
387) James Brown-Please, Please, Please
392) Robert Johnson-Cross Road Blues
393) Kelis-Milkshake
394) Howlin' Wolf-Smokestack Lightnin'
396) Morrissey-Everyday is Like Sunday
405) Everly Brothers-Wake Up Little Susie
406) AC/DC-Back in Black
409) Kelly Clarkson-Since U Been Gone
413) Justin Timberlake-Cry Me a River
416) Muddy Waters-Mannish Boy
420) Coldplay-Viva la Vida
427) Creedence Clearwater Revival-Bad Moon Rising
433) BB King-The Thrill is Gone
435) Aretha Franklin-I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You)
438) Thelonious Monk-'Round Midnight
439) Alice Cooper-School's Out
441) Cornershop-Brimful of Asha
446) The Clash-Rock the Casbah
448) Battles-Atlas
449) Bob Dylan-Positively 4th Street
452) The Crystals-He's a Rebel
453) Justin Timberlake-My Love
455) Disclosure feat. AlunaGeorge-White Noise ("Regulars Only" appearance)
460) Phoenix-Lisztomania
461) Pet Shop Boys-West End Girls
463) Cliff Richards-Move It
467) Justice Vs. Simian-We Are your Friends
472) AC/DC-Highway to Hell
479) The Damned-New Rose
481) The Hives-Hate to Say I Told you So
486) The Coasters-Yakety Yak
492) Little Eva-The Loco-Motion
493) Usher-Climax
496) Ben E. King-Spanish Harlem
499) Libertines-Can't Stand me Now

Please let me know if I missed any or if any of these songs charted after all. I tried my best.

bootsy · Post by **bootsy** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:39 am

Listyguy wrote:I think sometime in the near future, we should do a "Favorite Rap/Hip-Hop Songs" poll on the forum, given their overall lack of representation in the main songs poll. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the top songs aren't the same, because you'd likely only get more hardcore hip hop fans voting, as opposed to the "I don't really like rap, but I'll put 10 Kanye songs on my list" people. I'm definitely not an avid rap fan, but I think it would be interesting.

I'm definitely down for this. Maybe even break it down by decades. 80s, 90s,00s, 10s. Although I don't have a lot of favorites from the 00's on.

Henry · Post by **Henry** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 5:51 am

whuntva wrote:Someone asked this in passing, and I felt like ranking it, but here are...

Songs in the AM Top 500 that did NOT make the poll's Top 1000

378) Everly Brothers-Cathy's Clown (Henry's number 2836)

Please let me know if I missed any or if any of these songs charted after all. I tried my best.

This song listed above apparently did not get a single vote

phil · Post by **phil** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:05 am

whuntva wrote: Songs in the AM Top 500 that did NOT make the poll's Top 1000

Please let me know if I missed any or if any of these songs charted after all. I tried my best.

Here are additional ones that appear to have not made the top 1000 from the AM top 500:
105 Carl Perkins - Blue Suede Shoes
167 The Impressions - People Get Ready
228 Bruce Springsteen - Born in the U.S.A.
383 Funkadelic/Parliament - One Nation Under a Groove
427 Al Green - Tired of Being Alone
483 Joan Jett and The Blackhearts - I Love Rock 'n Roll

PlasticRam · Post by **PlasticRam** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:48 am

Actually my top 10 rap songs list avoids Kanye domination cos he's so versatile that he can't be boxed. Meaning some of my Ye favs are 808s type stuff.

Also would maybe be fun to have rap albums poll too. My list wouldn't be so Kanye-influenced either.

The way we could avoid Kanye domination is if a lot of the users participate that aren't his fans to say the least.

Nassim · Post by **Nassim** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:46 am

Issue would be defining the boundaries of the genre.
Depending on how you count I have between 58 and 70 hip-hop songs in my list.

I'd go with 60, that's excluding 2 non hip-hop Beastie Boys song, 2 Gnarls Barkley song, several DJ Shadow song (he claims he does abstract hip-hop but let's not count it), Outkast's Happy Valentine's Day, Justin Timberlake's What Goes Around Comes Around and N*E*R*D's She Wants to Move but still including Outkast's Roses (not that hip-hop but a rap verse at the end) or Vic Mensa's Down On My Luck.
In there I have 5 Kanye songs (or 4.5 since there's Niggas in Paris) and I think the ratio would be pretty similar if I extended my list to 100 or 200 songs.

Dexter · Post by **Dexter** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:12 pm

AMF All-Time Rap/Hip-Hop Songs Poll? If it's done the way how BleuPanda did the AMF All-Time Song Poll then count me in!

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 12:36 pm

Nassim wrote:Issue would be defining the boundaries of the genre.

I agree but I would have more generalist issues: what about proto-rap, like The Last Poets or Gil Scott-Heron's "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", the New Wave flirts like Blondie's "Rapture" or (in France) Chagrin d'amour's "Chacun fait (c'qui lui plaît)"? And is DJ Shadow or the instrumental tracks featuring hip-hop effects (like the ones used on some video game soundtracks, for instance) considered hip-hop, like it is on Wikipedia or Allmusic? And does trip-hop fits too, or is it considered a separate genre?

The boundaries are kinda blurry sometimes, so I guess we should all agree about what is eligible and what is not beforehand.

Live in Phoenix · Post by **Live in Phoenix** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 1:25 pm

M.I.A.'s Paper Planes...? (I'd say hip-hop)
Faith No More's Epic...?
Any song with a rap section (like Rapture, or Groove Is in the Heart)...?

Listyguy · Post by **Listyguy** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 2:00 pm

Nassim wrote:Issue would be defining the boundaries of the genre.
Depending on how you count I have between 58 and 70 hip-hop songs in my list.

I'd go with 60, that's excluding 2 non hip-hop Beastie Boys song, 2 Gnarls Barkley song, several DJ Shadow song (he claims he does abstract hip-hop but let's not count it), Outkast's Happy Valentine's Day, Justin Timberlake's What Goes Around Comes Around and N*E*R*D's She Wants to Move but still including Outkast's Roses (not that hip-hop but a rap verse at the end) or Vic Mensa's Down On My Luck.
In there I have 5 Kanye songs (or 4.5 since there's Niggas in Paris) and I think the ratio would be pretty similar if I extended my list to 100 or 200 songs.

I don't think the user that runs the poll should be the one deciding if a song is hip hop or not. I think it should be each voter's decision. If enough agree it is, then it will find a place on the list. I personally think DJ Shadow is, becuase his music is completely sample-based. I'd personally say a song like Frank Ocean's "Super Rich Kids" counts because of the rapping section, while "Thinkin Bout You" or "Pyramids" wouldn't, but again, each voter would have a different opinion.

Fred · Post by **Fred** » Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:35 pm

Thanks a bunch! Already have some new faves.