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AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:16 pm

Round One was a hit. Let's move on!

Alright, we finally start Round 1.

This time, I want "a musical composition for a solo instrument or instruments accompanied by an orchestra"

In other words, one dominant instrument with a little backup.

I actually think this will be slightly easier than symphonies because more concertos have become famous.

If there is any ambiguity, please save it for other orchestral.

I will accept a list of at least five. If you want to submit more than fifteen, be my guest. But only the first fifteen will be counted. Top twenty will make it to the final pool of pieces.

Point sum:
1. 50 points
2. 40
3. 30
4. 20
5. 15
6. 10
7. 9
8. 8
9. 7
10. 6
11. 5
12. 4
13. 3
14. 2
15. 1

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPECIFY A RECORDING!! I'll leave it open two weeks.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Honorio » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:23 pm

As I did with symphonies, the cover arts reflect the versions I own or the ones I am more familiar with, not necessarily the best ones:


1. ANTONIO VIVALDI "Concerto No. 2 in G minor, "L'estate" (Summer)" (1725). Favourite part: "III. Presto"
If the complete "Le quattro stagioni" were eligible (in fact usually appear as a whole in concerts and albums) it should be everyone's #1. The best one in my opinion is the second one ("L'Estate") if only for this tumultuous but ravishing "Presto" (a.k.a. "The Storm"). Glorious. But what can I say? I'm a barocker, baroque runs through my veins.


2. WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART "Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra in A major" (1791). Fav: "II. Adagio"
The second movement (the sublime "Adagio") definitely should be included in the definition of the word "beauty."


3. SERGEI RACHMANINOFF "Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor" (1901). Fav: "I. Moderato"
Not as technically demanding as Concerto No. 3 (remember Shine) but surely much more emotional and moving.


4. GEORGE GERSHWIN "Rhapsody in Blue" (1924)
A piece that changed the music landscape, the missing link between classical and jazz, between popular and cult.


5. JOHANNES BRAHMS "Violin Concerto in D major" (1878). Fav: "III. Allegro giocoso, ma non troppo vivace - Poco più presto"
"Never been able to hear it the same way since Paul Thomas Anderson used it to brilliant effect in There Will Be Blood" (Asher Gelzer-Govatos)

6. JOAQUÍN RODRIGO "Concierto de Aranjuez" (1939). Fav: "II. Adagio"
7. WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART "Piano Concerto No. 19 in F major" (1784). Fav: "I. Allegro"
8. PYOTR ILYICH TCHAIKOVSKY "Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat minor" (1893). Fav: "I. Allegro non troppo e molto maestoso - Allegro con spirito"
9. JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH "Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in G major" (1721). Fav: "I. [No tempo indication, usually played as Allegro]"
10. LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN "Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-flat major, Emperor Concerto" (1811). Fav: "I. Allegro"
11. DMITRI SHOSTAKOVICH "Cello Concerto No. 2 in G major" (1966). Fav: "I. Largo"
12. ANTONIO VIVALDI "Concerto No. 1 in E major, "La primavera" (Spring)" (1723). Fav: "I. Allegro"
13. FRÉDÉRIC CHOPIN "Piano Concerto No. 1 in E minor" (1830). Fav: "I. Allegro maestoso"
14. IGOR STRAVINSKY "Violin Concerto in D major" (1931). Fav: "III. Capriccio"
15. ANTONIN DVOŘÁK "Cello Concerto in B minor" (1830). Fav: "III. Finale: Allegro moderato - Andante - Allegro vivo"

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby bonnielaurel » Sun Mar 08, 2015 3:43 pm

1. Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 in E flat major "Emperor"
2. Bruch - Violin Concerto No. 1 in G minor
3. Bartók - Concerto for Orchestra
4. Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor
5. Prokofiev - Piano Concerto No. 3 in C major
6. Ravel - Piano Concerto in G major
7. Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
8. Rodrigo - Fantasía para un gentilhombre
9. Berg - Violin Concerto
10. Brahms - Violin Concerto in D major
11. Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto in E minor
12. Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in G major
13. Dvorák - Cello Concerto in B minor
14. Vivaldi - L'Estro Armonico No.6 in A minor
15. Mozart - Clarinet Concerto in A major
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby bonnielaurel » Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:50 pm

Here are some links to my favorite versions:




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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Henry » Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:09 am

1. Johann Sebastian Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 in G major
2. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 in B-flat minor
3. Johann Sebastian Bach - Brandenburg Concerto (No. 6)
4. Antonin Dvorak - Cello Concerto in B minor
5. Johann Sebastian Bach - Brandenburg Concerto (No. 5)
6. Antonio Vivaldi - Concerto for Violin, Strings and Continuo No. 1 in E major, "La primavera" (Spring)
7. Johann Sebastian Bach - Brandenburg Concerto (No. 4)
8. Evard Grieg - Concerto in A Minor for Piano and Orchestra Op. 16
9. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Horn Concerto No. 4 in E-Flat Major
10. Johann Sebastian Bach - Brandenburg Concerto (No. 2 in F major)
11. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Concerto No. 3 in G Major for Violin and Orchestra
12. Frederic Chopin - Piano Concerto No. 1 in E minor
13. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Violin Concerto No. 4 in D Major
14. George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
15. Johannes Brahms - Violin Concerto in D major

16. Antonio Vivaldi Violin Concerto In F, Op. 8/3, RV 293, "The Four Seasons (Autumn)" - 3. Allegro
17. Johann Sebastian Bach Harpsichord Concerto In G Minor, BWV 1058 - Mvt. 1
18. Antonio Vivaldi Violin Concerto In F Minor, Op. 8/4, RV 297, "The Four Seasons (Winter)" - 1. Allegro Non Molto
19. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky Concerto pour Piano N°1 Op.23 - 3. Allegro con fuoco
20. Antonio Vivaldi Concerto Grosso In D Minor - 1. Allegro
21. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto In D, Op. 35 - 2. Canzonetta: Andante
22. George Gershwin Concerto In F For Piano And Orchestra - Allegro
23. Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto: 2. Canzonetta (Andatne); 3. Finale (Allegro
24. Antonio Vivaldi "Concerto for Violin, Strings and Continuo No. 2 in G minor, "L'estate" (Summer)"
25. Dmitri Shostakovich Cello Concerto No. 2 in G major
26. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra in A major
27. Igor Stravisnksy Violin Concerto in D major
28. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Piano Concerto No. 19 in F major
29. Joaquin Rodrigo Concierto de Aranjuez
30. Ludwig Van Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-flat major, Emperor Concerto
31. Felix Mendelssohn Violin Concerto in E minor
32. Sergei Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor
33. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Piano Concerto #17 In G, K 453 - 1. Allegro
34. Phillip Glass Violin Concerto
35. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto No. 21 in C Major for Piano and Orchestra
36. Bela Bartok Concerto for Orchestra
37. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto No. 26 in D Major for Violin and Orchestra
38. Sergei Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 3 in C major
39. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto No. 1 in G Major for Flute and Orchestra
40. Maurice Ravel Piano Concerto in G Major
41. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto No. 20 in D Minor for Piano and Orchestra
42. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto No. 5 in A Major for Violin and Orchestra
43. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto for 3 Pianos and Orchestra (No. 7) in F
44. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Concerto for Flute, Harp and Orchestra in C

George Gershwin - An American In Paris - move to number 10 if eligible
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby sonofsamiam » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:54 pm

1 | Gershwin | Rhapsody in Blue
2 | Bartók | Concerto for Orchestra
3 | Mozart | Piano Concerto No. 20
4 | Bach | Brandenburg Concerto No. 3
5 | Schnittke | Concerto Grosso No. 1
6 | Beethoven | Piano Concerto No. 5 "Emperor"
7 | Vivaldi | The Four Seasons: "Spring"
8 | Ligeti | Double Concerto
9 | Rachmaninoff | Piano Concerto No. 2
10 | Maric | Byzantine Concerto
11 | Berg | Violin Concerto
12 | Elgar | Cello Concerto
13 | Tchaikovsky | Piano Concerto No. 1
14 | Brahms | Violin Concerto
15 | Carter | Concerto for Orchestra
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16 | Glass | Violin Concerto
17 | Mozart | Clarinet Concerto
18 | Ligeti | Violin Concerto
19 | Bach | Brandenburg Concerto No. 2
20 | Rachmaninoff | Piano Concerto No. 3
21 | Schoenberg | Piano Concerto
22 | Prokofiev | Piano Concerto No. 3
23 | Stravinsky | Concerto in E-flat "Dumbarton Oaks"
24 | Lutoslawski | Concerto for Orchestra
25 | Liszt | Piano Concerto No. 1

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby JimmyJazz » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:08 pm

Henry listed Gershwin's An American in Paris, but that is not a concerto, but a symphonic poem...?

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby JimmyJazz » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:51 pm

1| Bach / Brandenburg Concerto No. 3 (I really want to list all six of the concertos, and they are usually grouped as such on lists, but very well. Same with the Four Seasons)
2| Bartok / Concerto for Orchestra
3| Rachmaninoff / Piano Concerto No. 2
4| Vivaldi / Four Seasons "Spring"
5| Brahms / Violin Concerto
6| Gershwin / Rhapsody in Blue (does this count, I see others are listing it?)*
7| Dvorak / Cello Concerto
8| Beethoven / Piano Concerto No. 5 "Emperor"
9| Tchaikovsky / Piano Concerto No. 1
10| Elgar / Cello Concerto
11| Mozart/ Clarinet Concerto
12| Mendelssohn / Violin Concerto
13| Schumann / Piano Concerto
14| Ravel / Piano Concerto in G major
15| Grieg / Piano Concerto

*(If the Gershwin is disqualified, then bump up the rest and place Beethoven's Violin Concerto at No. 15)

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby JimmyJazz » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:31 am

BTW, just so I get a handle on how we are conducting these polls, the polls are being divided into six categories?

I was thinking, in order to solve everyone's tastes, it should go like:

1. Symphonies (DONE)
2. Concertos
3. Solo Instruments
4. Ensembles
5. Opera + Vocal + Choral Religious Music
6. Other: Non-Symphonic Orchestral Works, Program Music, Experimental Minimalist Pieces (25 for this one, like Honorio suggested)

Of course, Whuntva is the host, so he makes the decision.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:03 am

I will go with Honorio's template. I think 25 is good for the Other ategory as there are so many.

I looked it up. Rhapsody in Blue is indeed considered a piano concerto. I will let it slide.

American in Paris however is best saved for other orchestral.

I have a list. Just give me a while to process it.

Thanks for voting!
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Honorio » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:37 pm

Many thanks for accepting my suggestion.
A quick question (now that I'm beginning to do some listening for the next part of the poll): the pieces written for two instruments (as the sonatas for violin and piano) are going to be included in the "solo instruments" or in the "ensemble" part? I suppose that there will be included in the "ensemble/chamber" category (for instance in Rateyourmusic are included like that) but I'm asking just to clarify it.
By the way, if you're looking for some inspiration for the solo and chamber works don't hesitate to go to the superb Dan's Spotify playist.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Romain » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:49 pm

For me, sonatas are clearly chamber music Honorio.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:39 pm

Solo and Ensemble is all chamber. They are one category.

Also, i probably shouldn't have closed at noon my time last round. I'll leave it open until midnight this Saturday.

My vote:

1) Bach-Brandenburg Concerto #3
2) Vivaldi-Four Seasons "Spring"
3) Gershwin-Rhapsody in Blue
4) Dvorak-Piano Concerto in D Minor
5) Rachmaninoff-Piano Concerto #2
6) Tchaikovsky-Piano Concerto #1
7) Brahms-Cello Concerto
8) Mozart-Clarinet Concerto
9) Beethoven-Piano Concerto #5
10) Vivaldi-Four Seasons "Winter"
11) Mozart-Piano Concerto #21
12) Grieg-Piano Concerto
13) Schumann-Piano Concerto
14) Vivaldi-Four Seasons "Summer"
15) Ravel-Piano Concerto in G Minor

And I also saw this pop up in posts, but I consider each part of Four Seasons and Brandenburg Concertos as separate pieces. They will be counted as such.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Romain » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:50 am

Here is my list, nothing very incredible, very classical. I'm a huge fan of concertos, it's probably the genre I prefer, and the top 10 here is certainly the classical works I listen the more.

Guys, the second movement of the concerto en sol de Ravel... the adagio...guys ...does it exist on earth more beautiful thing?

1. Ludwig Von Beethoven - Concerto pour violon en ré majeur
2. Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Concerto pour piano n°1 en si bémol majeur
3. Maurice Ravel - Concerto pour piano et orchestre en sol majeur
4. Johannes Brahms - Concerto pour violon op.77
5. Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Concerto pour violon op35
6. Félix Mendelsshon - Concerto pour violon op.64
7. Johannes Brahms - Concerto violon, violoncelle et orchestre op. 102
8. Edarg Grieg - Concerto pour piano en la mineur
9. Georges Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
10. Maurice Ravel - Concerto pour la main gauche
11. Sergueï Rachmaninov - Concerto pour piano n°2 op18
12. Antonin Dvorak - Concerto pour violoncelle
13. Ludwig Von Beethoven - Concerto pour piano n°5 "L'empereur"
14. Johannes Brahms - Concerto pour piano et orchestre n°2 op.83
15. Sergueï Rachmaninov - Concerto pour piano n°4 op40

And I'm totally amazed by the lack of Concerto pour violon by Beethoven in you lists...I always thought it was the greatest, the most well known, the most beautiful ever written concertos, I'm totally surprised. :o

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Kingoftonga » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:57 pm

Apparently my concerto tastes sway heavily toward the violin, something I wouldn't have guessed until I made this list.

1. Bela Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra
2. John Adams - Violin Concerto
3. Johannes Brahms - Violin Concerto
4. Philip Glass - Concerto Fantasy for Two Timpanists and Orchestra
5. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Concerto for Piano and Orchestra, no. 23
6. George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
7. Ludwig van Beethoven - Violin Concerto
8. Philip Glass - Violin Concerto
9. Antonio Vivaldi - "Autumn" Concerto
10. Ralph Vaughan Williams - Concerto for Tuba and Orchestra
11. Maurice Ravel - Concerto for the Left Hand
12. Jean Sibelius - Violin Concerto
13. Alban Berg - Violin Concerto
14. Philip Glass - Concerto for Cello and Orchestra
15. Sergei Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto no. 3
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16. J.S. Bach - Brandenberg Concerto no. 6
17. Philip Glass - Concerto for Saxophone Quartet and Orchesta
18. Antonin Dvorak - Concerto for Cello and Orchestra

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Dan » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:59 pm

Honorio wrote:By the way, if you're looking for some inspiration for the solo and chamber works don't hesitate to go to the superb Dan's Spotify playist.


:romance-kisscheek:

And :romance-kisscheek: to everyone else for your splendid lists.

1. Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major
2. Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 5 in E flat major
3. Grieg - Piano Concerto in A minor
4. Rachmaninoff - Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor
5. Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No. 1 in B flat minor
6. Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto in E minor
7. Vivaldi - The Four Seasons: "Spring"
8. Mozart - Clarinet Concerto in A major
9. Bach - Brandenburg Concerto No. 5 in D major
10. Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue
11. Beethoven - Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major
12. Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 24 in C minor
13. Rodrigo - Concierto de Aranjuez
14. Mozart - Piano Concerto No. 20 in D minor
15. Beethoven - Violin Concerto in D major
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby antonius » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:46 pm

My favorite conertos

1. Vivaldi - Four Seasons "Spring"
2. Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra
3. Bach - Concerto for 2 Violins (BWV1043 double concerto)
4. Rachmaninov - Piano Concerto No 3
5. Beethoven - Violin Concerto
6. Shostakovitch - Piano Concerto No 2
7. Liszt - Piano Concerto No 1
8. Prokofieff - Piano Concerto No 3
9. Elgar - Cello Concerto
10. Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No 1
11. Chopin - Piano Concerto No 1
12. Schoenberg - Violin Concerto
13. Sibelius - Violin Concerto
14. Ravel - Piano Concerto in G
15. Berg - Violin Concerto

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:38 pm

Poll Closed! Now I need to tally the results
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:52 am

Alright! We had a clear lead throughout, but as I was calculating, I noticed a lot more turnover this round.

1) Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra/200 points
2) Bach-Brandenburg Concerto #3/181 points
3) George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue/144 points
4) Vivaldi - Four Seasons "Spring"/142 points
5) Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No 1/139 points
6) Beethoven-Piano Concerto No. 5 in E flat major/124 points
7) Rachmaninoff-Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor/107 points
8) Brahms - Violin Concerto in D major/89 points
9) Beethoven - Violin Concerto/75 points
10) Mozart-Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra in A major/62 points
11) Mozart -Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major/55 points
12) Vivaldi-Four Seasons “Summer”/52 points
13) Grieg-Piano Concerto/51 points
14) Ravel-Piano Concerto in G/45 points
15*) Bruch-Violin Conerto #1/40 points
15*) John Adams-Violin Concerto-40 points

Tie for fifteenth! TWO pieces each had 20 points.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:52 am

I'll go first.

I vote John Adams.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby JimmyJazz » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:15 am

Hey, Whuntva, I thought that 20, not 15, pieces get to the final round, though...

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby whuntva » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:20 am

JimmyJazz wrote:Hey, Whuntva, I thought that 20, not 15, pieces get to the final round, though...


Ah, yes! My Mistake.

In that case, they both advance, and the remaining four are...

17) Dvorak-Cello Concerto/37 points
18) Mozart-Piano Concerto #20/32 points
19) Bach-2 Violins/30 points
20) Bach-Brandenburg Concerto #6/30 points

But hey, it wouldn't be a poll without at least one error by the host.

We move on to the next round...Vocal pieces!
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Romain » Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:18 am

:o what a strange final result. It's the first time I see, in this website, a result so much different from the "critics".

Bartok in first place, it's like, in a 60's poll, we have an album by Zappa in the first place : good but very intriguing.
And two huge and magnificient concerti are not here : Violin concerti by Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky, two part of the famous tetralogy of violin concerti with those of Beethoven and Brahms. (like in a top album of all time, we have no Dylan and no Beatles album :mrgreen: )

1) Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra/200 points
2) Bach-Brandenburg Concerto #3/181 points
3) George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue/144 points
4) Vivaldi - Four Seasons "Spring"/142 points
5) Tchaikovsky - Piano Concerto No 1/139 points
6) Beethoven-Piano Concerto No. 5 in E flat major/124 points
7) Rachmaninoff-Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor/107 points
8) Brahms - Violin Concerto in D major/89 points
9) Beethoven - Violin Concerto/75 points
10) Mozart-Concerto for Clarinet and Orchestra in A major/62 points
11) Mozart -Piano Concerto No. 21 in C major/55 points
12) Vivaldi-Four Seasons “Summer”/52 points
13) Grieg-Piano Concerto/51 points
14) Ravel-Piano Concerto in G/45 points
15) Bruch-Violin Conerto #1/40 points
16) John Adams-Violin Concerto-40 points
17) Dvorak-Cello Concerto/37 points
18) Mozart-Piano Concerto #20/32 points
19) Bach-2 Violins/30 points
20) Bach-Brandenburg Concerto #6/30 points

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby bonnielaurel » Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:36 am

Romain wrote::o what a strange final result. It's the first time I see, in this website, a result so much different from the "critics".

Bartok in first place, it's like, in a 60's poll, we have an album by Zappa in the first place : good but very intriguing.
And two huge and magnificient concerti are not here : Violin concerti by Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky, two part of the famous tetralogy of violin concerti with those of Beethoven and Brahms. (like in a top album of all time, we have no Dylan and no Beatles album :mrgreen: )


Tchaikovsky's violin concerto was probably a victim of the aim for diversity. I didn't include it because I already had five violin concertos and Tchaikovsky's piano concerto. The Concerto for Orchestra is great (my #3), but if it wasn't for its title people might see it as a symphony rather then a concerto. I'm a bit disappointed Prokofiev didn't make the top 20. Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" I don't like: I associate it too much with waiting on the telephone and music teachers in high school. That's why I included another Vivaldi concerto instead.
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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Honorio » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:12 pm

Romain wrote::o what a strange final result. It's the first time I see, in this website, a result so much different from the "critics".

Bartok in first place, it's like, in a 60's poll, we have an album by Zappa in the first place : good but very intriguing.
And two huge and magnificient concerti are not here : Violin concerti by Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky, two part of the famous tetralogy of violin concerti with those of Beethoven and Brahms. (like in a top album of all time, we have no Dylan and no Beatles album :mrgreen: )

Very interesting comment, Romain. But I find two reasons that can explain this fact:
1) There are few voters if we compare it with other polls. We all know that more voters more consensus (I mean that the polls with more voters always end mirroring the critics lists). Anyway 10 people voting on this poll are more than I expected.
2) We are not too aware of the critics' lists about classical, at least on the same level as we are about pop critics' lists (especially in the context of the Acclaimed Music Forum, the best meta-list about pop music out there). In fact to my knowledge there is not a consensus critic list on the subject. There are many individual critic lists (some of them fantastic) but the closest thing to a consensus list I found are the ABC classic FM surveys (see there), and this is an Australian listeners poll.

By the way I checked the violin concertos on this ABC Classic list and there are two violin concertos ranked higher than this tetralogy, the ones by Bruch and Sibelius.
And anyway probably no Mendelssohn and no Tchaikovsky is not like having no Dylan and no Beatles album. If we compare the list of Phil Goulding of Top 50 greatest composers and the official AM artist lists is more like not having R.E.M. and The Beach Boys (#10 and 11) on the top albums of all time. :mrgreen:

One final comment: I'm quite sad of not having Joaquín Rodrigo's "Concierto de Aranjuez" on the last round. It was probably the one and only opportunity of having a Spanish classical piece on the final 125.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Romain » Sun Mar 22, 2015 12:47 pm

Honorio wrote:
Romain wrote::o what a strange final result. It's the first time I see, in this website, a result so much different from the "critics".

Bartok in first place, it's like, in a 60's poll, we have an album by Zappa in the first place : good but very intriguing.
And two huge and magnificient concerti are not here : Violin concerti by Mendelssohn and Tchaikovsky, two part of the famous tetralogy of violin concerti with those of Beethoven and Brahms. (like in a top album of all time, we have no Dylan and no Beatles album :mrgreen: )

Very interesting comment, Romain. But I find two reasons that can explain this fact:
1) There are few voters if we compare it with other polls. We all know that more voters more consensus (I mean that the polls with more voters always end mirroring the critics lists). Anyway 10 people voting on this poll are more than I expected.
2) We are not too aware of the critics' lists about classical, at least on the same level as we are about pop critics' lists (especially in the context of the Acclaimed Music Forum, the best meta-list about pop music out there). In fact to my knowledge there is not a consensus critic list on the subject. There are many individual critic lists (some of them fantastic) but the closest thing to a consensus list I found are the ABC classic FM surveys (see there), and this is an Australian listeners poll.

By the way I checked the violin concertos on this ABC Classic list and there are two violin concertos ranked higher than this tetralogy, the ones by Bruch and Sibelius.
And anyway probably no Mendelssohn and no Tchaikovsky is not like having no Dylan and no Beatles album. If we compare the list of Phil Goulding of Top 50 greatest composers and the official AM artist lists is more like not having R.E.M. and The Beach Boys (#10 and 11) on the top albums of all time. :mrgreen:

One final comment: I'm quite sad of not having Joaquín Rodrigo's "Concierto de Aranjuez" on the last round. It was probably the one and only opportunity of having a Spanish classical piece on the final 125.


Thanks BonieLaurel and Honorio for your answers.

For the violin concertos, I don't speak properly of the classical critics list... I don't even know if this kind of thing exist.
We have six violin concerto above all others : Beethoven, Mendelssohn, Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Bruch and Sibelius (confirmed by your link) - all the six are wonderful and magnificient piece of music, but for what I hear on the classical channels or radios, the first four are more commonly considered the greatest.

It's not really important, I just noticed that for the piano concerti, the most common choices are all here and surprised to see it's not the case for the violon.

Whatever, I love all the choices on our final list :music-rockon: althought I like least the baroque form than the romantic or pré-romantic ones.

And for the concertio de Aranjuez, it's ashamed, I simply forget it. It's obviously a masterpiece (if you like concerto for guitare, I hope you know the concerto by Villa-Lobos... If not, go go go !)

Some links :
Mendelssohn :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1dBg__wsuo
Tchaikovsky :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAkw_Wi4yIo
Heitor Villa-Lobos :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cCVVjQCnjs

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Honorio » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:06 pm

Yes, I know the Villa-Lobos concerto too (and it's great). I'll include anyway two works for solo classical guitar on the solo poll.

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Romain » Sun Mar 22, 2015 1:14 pm

Honorio wrote:Yes, I know the Villa-Lobos concerto too (and it's great). I'll include anyway two works for solo classical guitar on the solo poll.


One by Fernando Sor maybe ?

The solo poll is too huge, to many great pieces... I don't know for now what I will put in my list.

It makes me think that I will probably put a Bachianas Brasileiras (n°5) on the vocal poll :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzP1XPCGJE

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Re: AM Classical Poll: Concertos

Postby Honorio » Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:58 pm

Romain wrote:One by Fernando Sor maybe ?

Well, I was thinking about Francisco Tárrega's "Recuerdos de la Alhambra" and maybe also Benjamin Britten's "Nocturnal after John Dowland." But, who knows, maybe I could include something by Sor too. As you just said, too many great pieces on this field.


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