AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:21 pm

Alright, we finally start Round 1.

There was too much ambiguity over most of the categories, but let's start with an easy one. We will do large orchestral pieces with multiple movements.

GoodMusicGuide defines symphonies as "A large-scale work for full orchestra. Usually consists of four movements or sections, often alternating fast-slow. Beethoven's ninth symphony was the first to break with tradition in that he included vocal soloists and a full choir into the final movement. Other composers who wrote well-known symphonies are Haydn (wrote 104 of them), Mozart, Schubert, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Mahler and later Prokofiev and Shostakovich."

If there is any ambiguity, please save it for other orchestral.

I will accept a list of at least five. If you want to submit more than fifteen, be my guest. But only the first fifteen will be counted. Top twenty will make it to the final pool of pieces.

Point sum:
1. 50 points
2. 40
3. 30
4. 20
5. 15
6. 10
7. 9
8. 8
9. 7
10. 6
11. 5
12. 4
13. 3
14. 2
15. 1

YOU DO NOT NEED TO SPECIFY A RECORDING!! I'll leave it open for a week two weeks.

Happy Voting!
Last edited by whuntva on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:48 pm, edited 2 times in total.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

Kingoftonga
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 557
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:50 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Kingoftonga » Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:17 pm

Beethoven is the Beatles of symphonies.

Janacek wrote a "Sinfonietta" (little symphony), but I'll save that for "orchestral music," if that works for everyone.

1. Symphony no. 7 - Ludwig van Beethoven
2. Symphony no. 9 - Ludwig van Beethoven
3. Symphony no. 9, "The Great" - Franz Schubert (Thematic number D.944, occasionally numbered as the 7th or the 8th)
4. Symphony no. 5 - Ludwig van Beethoven
5. Symphony no. 2 - Philip Glass
6. Symphony no. 7 - Antonin Dvorak
7. Symphony no. 1, "A Sea Symphony" - Ralph Vaughan Williams
8. Symphony no. 5 - Jean Sibelius
9. Symphony no. 4 - Johannes Brahms
10. Symphony no. 41, "Jupiter" - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
11. Symphony no. 104, "London" - Franz Josef Haydn
12. Symphony no. 3, "Pastoral" - Ralph Vaughan Williams
13. Symphony no. 6, "Pathetique" - Pyotr Tchaikovsky
14. Symphony no. 5 - Dmitri Shostakovich
15. Symphony no. 3, "Symphony of Sorrowful Songs - Henryk Gorecki
===
16. Symphonie Fantastique - Hector Berlioz
17. Symphony no. 3, "Eroica" - Ludwig van Beethoven
18. Symphony no. 8 - Philip Glass
19. Symphony no. 2 - Jean Sibelius
20. Symphony no. 9, "From the New World" - Antonin Dvorak
21. Symphony no. 3 - Witold Lutoslawski
22. Symphony no. 40 - Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
23. Symphony no. 3 - Gustav Mahler
24. Symphony no. 2, "The Steppes of Asia" - Alexander Borodin
25. Symphony of Psalms - Igor Stravinsky

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:26 pm

1) Tchaikovsky-Symphony #6 "Pathetique"
2) Beethoven Symphony #5 "Destiny"
3) Beethoven-Symphony #7
4) Beethoven-Symphony #3 "Heroica"
5) Tchaikovsky-Symphony #4
6) Beethoven-Symphony #9
7) Mozart-Symphony #41 "Jupiter"
8) Dvorak-Symphony #9
9) Haydn-Symphony #104
10) Berlioz-Symphony Fantastique
11) Beethoven-Symphony #6
12) Sibelus-Symphony #5
13) Mozart-Symphony #40
14) Schubert-Symphony #3
15) Mahler-Symphony #3
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

Jeff
Different Class
Posts: 389
Joined: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:46 am
Location: Washington, D.C.

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Jeff » Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:01 pm

Symphony is my least favorite musical form. If this had been a straight "100 favorite classical works" list, maybe the top four or so would make the cut. Maybe.

1| Elliott Carter - A Symphony of Three Orchestras
2| Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5
3| Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, "Resurrection"
4| Ellen Zwilich - Symphony No. 1, "Three Movements for Orchestra"
5| Charles Ives - Symphony No. 4
6| Jean Sibelius - Symphony No. 2
7| Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique
8| Carl Nielsen - Symphony No. 4
9| Witold Lutoslawski - Symphony No. 3
10| Roger Sessions - Symphony No. 3
11| Anton Bruckner - Symphony No. 9
12| William Grant Still - Symphony No. 1, "Afro-American"
13| Per Norgard - Symphony No. 3
14| Carlos Chavez - Symphony No. 2, "Sinfonía India"
15| John Corigliano - Symphony No. 2

User avatar
bonnielaurel
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 624
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:48 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby bonnielaurel » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:40 pm

1. Mahler - Symphony No. 4
2. Brahms - Symphony No. 1
3. Beethoven - Symphony No. 7
4. Beethoven - Symphony No. 5
5. Brahms - Symphony No. 4
6. Dvorák - Symphony No. 9 "From the New World"
7. Schubert - Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished"
8. Mozart - Symphony No. 40
9. Beethoven - Symphony No. 9 "Choral"
10. Mahler - Symphony No. 5
11. Beethoven - Symphony No. 6 "Pastoral"
12. Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique
13. Mozart - Symphony No. 29
14. Haydn - Symphony No. 103 "Drumroll"
15. Shostakovich - Symphony No. 13 "Babi Yar"
They give awards for that music? I thought just ear plugs. (Woody Allen in Annie Hall)

User avatar
Romain
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 3076
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:25 pm
Location: Lyon, France

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Romain » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:42 am

Kingoftonga wrote:24. Symphony no. 2, "The Steppes of Asia" - Alexander Borodin


It's the first time I see this name for the second symphonie of Borodine. Whatever, it's a good choice ;-)

Kingoftonga
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 557
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:50 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Kingoftonga » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:01 pm

Romain wrote:
Kingoftonga wrote:24. Symphony no. 2, "The Steppes of Asia" - Alexander Borodin


It's the first time I see this name for the second symphonie of Borodine. Whatever, it's a good choice ;-)


Oops, now that I take a closer look, "The Steppes of Asia" is an orchestral piece on the same CD that his Symphony no. 2 is. My mistake - regardless of the name, I meant to vote for Borodin's Symphony #2.

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:42 am

Bump!

We're just one vote short of my planned minimum of five.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

User avatar
Romain
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 3076
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:25 pm
Location: Lyon, France

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Romain » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:59 am

Don' worry, my list is ready. I just have to choose the rank ;-)

Henry
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1018
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:39 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Henry » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:32 am

1. Beethoven: Symphony #9
2. Mozart: Symphony #41
3. Beethoven: Symphony #5
4. Tchaikovsky: Symphony #6
5. Beethoven: Symphony #3
6. Mozart: Symphony #29
7. Beethoven: Symphony #6
8. Dvorak: Symphony #9
9.Shostakovich: Symphony #5
10. Brahms: Symphony #4
11. Rachmaninoff: Symphony #2
12. Mahler: Symphony #9
13. Schubert: Symphony #9
14. Wagner: Symphony in C major
15. Sibelius: Symphony #7
16. Vivaldi: Symphony #1
17. Haydn: Symphony #22
18. Shostakovich: Symphony #7
19. Schubert: Symphony #8

User avatar
Honorio
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1456
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:38 am
Location: L'Eliana, Valencia, Spain

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Honorio » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:47 pm

whuntva wrote:I'll leave it open for a week

Why? Why only one week? In this case I won't have time enough to do some listening, only write a list from the top of my head. Here it is anyway my Top 15 (the cover art of the Top 5 comes from the recordings I own of these pieces):


1. DMITRI SHOSTAKOVICH "Symphony No. 10 in E minor" (1953). Favourite part: "III. Allegretto"
With two sublime movements, the second and the third. The ominous second movement is, according to the composer, "a musical portrait of Stalin, roughly speaking." And the third is a personal reaffirmation of the composer after his 1948 denunciation, using the famous DSCH-motif (the composer's initials, Dmitri Schostakovich) over a waltz rhythm pattern.


2. LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN "Symphony No. 3 in E-flat major, Eroica" (1804). Fav: "II. Marcia Funebre - Adagio assai"
If only for the superb second movement, the Funeral March, the part from 7'22" to 9'35" is so beautiful that it hurts.


3. GUSTAV MAHLER "Symphony No. 4 in G major" (1901). Fav: "III. Ruhevoll"
The soprano lied was groundbreaking at the time but the crowning achievement here is the emotional third movement.


4. WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART "Symphony No. 40 in G minor" (1788). Fav: "I. Molto allegro"
The No. 41 (also on my list) got the acclaim but the first movement of the No. 40 epitomizes the greatness of Mozart.


5. ANTONIN DVOŘÁK "Symphony No. 9 in E minor, From the New World" (1893). Fav: "I. Adagio - Allegro molto"
Using pop terminology, every movement from this symphony is a smash hit, evoking the American "wide open spaces."

6. LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN "Symphony No. 9 in D minor, Choral" (1824). Fav: "IV. Presto; Allegro molto assai (Alla marcia); Andante maestoso; Allegro energico, sempre ben marcato"
7. FRANZ SCHUBERT "Symphony No. 8 in B minor, Unfinished" (1822). Fav: "I. Allegro moderato"
8. HECTOR BERLIOZ "Symphonie fantastique" (1830). Fav: "II. Un bal"
9. PYOTR ILYICH TCHAIKOVSKY "Symphony No. 6 in B minor, Pathétique" (1893). Fav: "I. Adagio – Allegro non troppo"
10. HENRYK GÓRECKI "Symphony No. 3, Symphony of Sorrowful Songs" (1977). Fav: "I. Lento - Sostenuto tranquillo ma cantabile"
11. JOSEPH HAYDN "Symphony No. 104 in D major, London" (1795). Fav: "I. Adagio - Allegro"
12. JOHANNES BRAHMS "Symphony No. 4 in E minor" (1885). Fav: "III. Allegro giocoso"
13. OLIVIER MESSIAEN "Turangalîla-Symphonie" (1948)*. Fav: "I. Introduction. Modéré, un peu vif"
14. WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART "Symphony No. 41 in C major, Jupiter" (1788). Fav: "IV. Molto allegro"
15. IGOR STRAVINSKY "Symphony of Psalms" (1930). Fav: "III. Alleluia. Laudate Dominum"

* I'm not sure if "Turangalila" qualifies as a symphony



Two comments:
a) I knew much more about classical music when I was a teenager than today, now I listen much more to pop, rock or world music than classical music, in probably the opposite move some people of my age did. Some of the pieces on my list were huge favourites of mine when I was 14-years old.
b) I like this game and I'm going to try to participate but maybe we could chose a simpler approach with less categories: a) Symphonies b) Concerti c) Vocal (including Opera) d) Chamber (including solo and ensemble pieces) and e) Other. I would even group symphonies and other orchestral pieces like suites or program but it's too late for this. Anyway bonnielaurel suggestion is good enough, we can follow her suggestion. But… why not doing a final poll of classical pieces in general? Defining as a piece every classical work that appears as a track on a CD, I mean it could be a movement of a symphony, an aria from an opera, a movement of a piano sonata, etc. Think about it…
Last edited by Honorio on Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:59 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Romain
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 3076
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:25 pm
Location: Lyon, France

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Romain » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:46 pm

Go go go !

1. Gustav Malher - Symphonie n°5
2. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphonie n°6
3. Jean Sibelius - Symphonie n°5
4. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphonie n°9
5. Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Symphonie n°5
6. Hector Berlioz - La Symphonie fantastique
7. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphonie n°5
8. Franz Schubert - Symphonie n°8
9. César Franck - Symphonie en ré
10. Johannes Brahms - Symphonie n°3
11. Gustav Malher - Symphonie n°1
12. Dimitri Chostakovich - Symphonie n°7
13. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphonie n°3
14. Anton Bruckner - Symphonie n°4
15. Alexander Scriabine - Symphonie n°2
16. Antonin Dvorak - Symphonie n°9
17. Gustav Malher - Symphonie n°10
18. Robert Schumann - Symphonie n°3
19. Franz Schubert - Symphonie n°9
20. Edouard Lalo - Symphonie Espagnole
21. Robert Schumann - Symphonie n°4
22. Henryk Gorecki - Symphonie n°3
23. Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphonie n°7
24. Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Symphonie n°4
25. Camille Saint-Saëns - Symphonie n°3 avec orgue
26. Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Symphonie n°6
27. Olivier Messian - Turangalila Symphonie
28. Serge Prokofiev - Symphnonie n°1
29. Johannes Brahms - Symphonie n°4
30. Dimitri Chostakovich - Symphonie n°10

To be honest, between rank 11 to 30, I love the symphonies at the same level.

User avatar
sonofsamiam
Rust Never Sleeps
Posts: 761
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:19 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby sonofsamiam » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:05 pm

01 | Alfred Schnittke | Symphony No. 1
02 | Olivier Messiaen | Turangalîla-symphonie
03 | Ludwig van Beethoven | Symphony No. 3 "Eroica"
04 | Ludwig van Beethoven | Symphony No. 9 "Choral"
05 | Hector Berlioz | Symphonie fantastique
06 | Luciano Berio | Sinfonia
07 | Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart | Symphony No. 41 in C major, "Jupiter"
08 | Franz Schubert | Symphony No. 8 (Unfinished)
09 | Elliott Carter | Symphony of Three Orchestras
10 | Igor Stravinsky | Symphony of Psalms
11 | Dmitri Shostakovich | Symphony No. 10 In E Minor
12 | Krzysztof Penderecki | Symphony No. 1
13 | Witold Lutoslawski | Symphony No. 3
14 | Charles Ives | Symphony No. 4
15 | Gustav Mahler | Symphony No. 8
*****
16 | Johannes Brahms | Symphony No. 4 in E minor
17 | John Adams | Doctor Atomic Symphony
18 | Anton Webern | Symphony Op. 21 (not sure this qualifies, but it's not in the top 15, so...)
19 | Dmitri Shostakovich | Symphony No. 15
20 | Philip Glass | Symphony No. 2
21 | Per Nørgård | Symphony No. 3
22 | Antonin Dvořák | Symphony No. 9 in E minor, "From the New World"
23 | Peter Tchaikovsky | Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
24 | Alfred Schnittke | Symphony No. 3
25 | Elliott Carter | Symphonia: Sum Fluxae Pretium Spei
26 | Ludwig van Beethoven | Symphony No. 7 in A major
27 | Gloria Coates | Symphony No. 7
28 | Igor Stravinsky | Symphony in Three Movements
29 | Glenn Branca | Symphony No. 6 (Devil Choirs at the Gates of Heaven)
30 | Sergei Prokofiev | Symphony No. 5

User avatar
sonofsamiam
Rust Never Sleeps
Posts: 761
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 10:19 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby sonofsamiam » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:08 pm

Honorio wrote:b) I like this game and I'm going to try to participate but maybe we could chose a simpler approach with less categories: a) Symphonies b) Concerti c) Vocal (including Opera) d) Chamber (including solo and ensemble pieces) and e) Other. I would even group symphonies and other orchestral pieces like suites or program but it's too late for this. Anyway bonnielaurel suggestion is good enough, we can follow her suggestion. But… why not doing a final poll of classical pieces in general? Defining as a piece every classical work that appears as a track on a CD, I mean it could be a movement of a symphony, an aria from an opera, a movement of a piano sonata, etc. Think about it…


My entirely selfish concern with this is that so many of my favorites would fall into Other.

I probably would have preferred a general poll where we mash everything together regardless of type, I'm spending much too much time worried about what is Program Music, etc. For example, minimalism ... is Music for 18 Musicians program music? I have trouble with the complexities of categorizing, I'll be quite honest, especially with such short voting periods...

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:48 pm

I extended the time if that's okay.

I assumed one week would be fine because that's what we usually do with polls like this.

But this isn't a normal poll.

So each individual round gets two weeks now. Top twenty from each genre do get clumped into a general poll.

OK?
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

User avatar
JimmyJazz
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1292
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:28 am
Location: Arizona

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby JimmyJazz » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:23 pm

1| Beethoven / Symphony No. 9 "Choral"
2| Mahler / Symphony No. 5
3| Beethoven / Symphony No. 5
4| Tchaikovsky / Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"
5| Mozart / Symphony No. 41 "Jupiter"
6| Brahms / Symphony No. 4
7| Shostakovich / Symphony No. 5
8| Sibelius / Symphony No. 2
9| Dvorak / Symphony No. 9 "From the New World"
10| Schubert / Symphony No. 8 "Unfinished"
11| Berlioz / Symphonie Fantastique
12| Haydn / Symphony No. 104 "London"
13| Ives / Symphony No. 4
14| Stravinsky / Symphony of Psalms
15| Nielsen / Symphony No. 4

User avatar
JimmyJazz
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1292
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:28 am
Location: Arizona

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby JimmyJazz » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:51 pm

Anyone else voting in this thing? It got 15 votes of support back in the Poll Planner Thread, but we only have 9 votes!

User avatar
Henrik
Site Admin
Posts: 4208
Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2012 10:09 am
Location: Älvsjö, Stockholm, Sweden
Contact:

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Henrik » Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:18 pm

I said I would vote, but that would have been a favorite movements poll. I don't have nearly enough knowledge to vote in this poll. I am superimpressed by the knowledge you have!
Everyone you meet fights a battle you know nothing about. Be kind. Always.

antonius
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 566
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:47 pm
Location: Hoboken, Antwerp, Belgium

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby antonius » Mon Mar 02, 2015 6:12 pm

I'm going to skip symphonies.

User avatar
Honorio
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1456
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:38 am
Location: L'Eliana, Valencia, Spain

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Honorio » Thu Mar 05, 2015 10:13 pm

Sorry whuntva for suggesting a second week of voting, I though that more people would had the opportunity to vote but we only had one more voter (Jimmy Jazz) on this second week.
Anyway, what are we going to vote next? Concerto? I ask this for doing some additional listening. I think I already know my Concerto Top 5 but I need some listening to complete a Top 15.

User avatar
Romain
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 3076
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:25 pm
Location: Lyon, France

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Romain » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:08 am

Two weeks is not a bad idear for other genre of classical music.

It's easy to pick up the "best" symphonies" but for orchestral works (not symphonies) or solo pieces for example, we have so much choice, we have to choose in a top 100, 200 or 500...

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:22 pm

^^What he said.

Next Round is Saturday. I just need about a day to tally up the results here.

But if there are any last minute votes, I'll say you have until Midnight.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

User avatar
Dan
Rust Never Sleeps
Posts: 723
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:41 am
Location: Newcastle, England

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Dan » Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:22 pm

Thank you for keeping this open for two weeks instead of one.

1. Beethoven - Symphony No. 5
2. Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 4
3. Dvořák - Symphony No. 9
4. Bruckner - Symphony No. 9
5. Beethoven - Symphony No. 7
6. Mozart - Symphony No. 40
7. Mahler - Symphony No. 5
8. Beethoven - Symphony No. 9
9. Mozart - Symphony No. 41
10. Brahms - Symphony No. 4
11. Schubert - Symphony No. 9
12. Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique
13. Sibelius - Symphony No. 5
14. Shostakovic - Symphony No. 10
15. Haydn - Symphony No. 104
Let's make this a good year.

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:02 pm

Poll is closed! Just give me a minute to tally up the results!
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:11 pm

Locking it in!

No surprise Beethoven dominated the poll, including taking domain over the Top 3!

1) Beethoven - Symphony No. 9/205 points
2) Beethoven - Symphony No. 5/180 points
3) Beethoven - Symphony No. 7/125 points
4) Mahler - Symphony No. 5/115 points
5) Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 6 "Pathetique"/100 points
6) Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 3 "Eroica"/98 points
7) Mozart - Symphony No. 41 "Jupiter"/88 points
8) Dvořák - Symphony No. 9 "From the New World"/78 points
9) Mahler - Symphony No. 4/70 points
10) Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique/63 points
11) Beethoven - Symphony No. 6/62 points
12) Shostakovich - Symphony No. 5/58 points
13) Carter - Symphony of Three Orchestras/58 points
14) Brahms - Symphony No. 4/58 points
15) Shostakovich - Symphony No. 10/57 points
16) Tchaikovsky - Symphony No. 4/55 points
17) Sibelius - Symphony No. 5/55 points
18) Schnittke - Symphony No. 1/50 points
19) Messaien - Turangalila-Symphonie/43 points
20) Schubert - Symphony #8 "Unfinished"/40 points


These Top 20 are the picks for the final pool! Next up is Concertos. Just give it 5-10 minutes.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

User avatar
bonnielaurel
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 624
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:48 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby bonnielaurel » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:34 pm

Classical is cool! :music-rockon:
They give awards for that music? I thought just ear plugs. (Woody Allen in Annie Hall)

User avatar
Dan
Rust Never Sleeps
Posts: 723
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:41 am
Location: Newcastle, England

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Dan » Sat Mar 07, 2015 4:51 pm

Great start to this classical poll. Thanks whuntva. I like the 20 symphonies that have gone through to the final stage, even though I have conflicting feelings about symphonies. Many classical aficionados consider symphonies to be the pinnacle of classical music. On the one hand, I don't feel the same kind of love for symphonies because there simply aren't that many symphonies that I'm truly fond of. But on the other hand, when a symphony really speaks to me (whether through a good recording or through a fantastic live performance – which I was fortunate enough to experience when I lived in London) there’s nothing like it. In fact, sometimes a symphony can give me such a catharsis that it takes me a day or two to listen to non-classical music again, because even my favourite songs and albums can seem trivial in comparison. I’m looking forward to revisiting my favourite concertos next.

Fuck yeah, classical is cool!
Let's make this a good year.

User avatar
whuntva
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1302
Joined: Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:46 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby whuntva » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:01 pm

Honorio wrote:* I'm not sure if "Turangalila" qualifies as a symphony


It has multiple movements and even "Symphonie" in the title. I'll count it.

Anyway, Concertos is now live. Two weeks to vote there.
" Ah, yes! Our meager restitution"

User avatar
Honorio
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1456
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:38 am
Location: L'Eliana, Valencia, Spain

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Honorio » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:56 pm

Yes, fantastic results!
Seeing that we are selecting 20 choices for the final pool and, at the risk of being annoying and tiresome, I should insist in reduce the categories to 5 so we will have a final Top 100 of classical pieces. The original suggestion of bonnielaurel was:
bonnielaurel wrote:*Symphony
*Concerto
*Other orchestral
*Opera
*Other vocal
*Ensemble
*Instrumental solo

This distribution is very good and, as bonnie said, "that way there wouldn't be much doubt which music belongs to which category." The problem with that approach is that probably we will find more masterpieces (or simply more of our favourites) in the "other orchestral" than in, for instance, "other vocal." Because talking about classical music "other vocal" probably only includes some sacred music (oratorios, requiem mass or works for choir) and some profane (cantatas and lieds). My suggestion (again) is:
a) Symphonies.
b) Concertos.
c) Vocal (grouping "Opera" and "other vocal").
d) Chamber (grouping "Instrumental solo" and "Ensemble", just like Dan did with his wonderful list that he named "solos, duos and chamber works").
e) Other orchestral.
We will obtain with this a nice and balanced Top 100.

Thinking of it, my 5 favourites classical pieces of all-time belong to each one of these five categories:
1. SERGEY PROKOFIEV "Romeo and Juliet, Suite No. 2 for orchestra, No. 1 Montagues and Capulets" (1936), #50 of all-time, Other Orchestral.
2. JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH "Matthäuspassion (St. Matthew Passion), No. 1 Chorus: Kommt, ihr Tochter, helft mir Klagen" (1736), #86 of all-time, Vocal.
3. ANTONIO VIVALDI "Concerto for violin, strings and continuo in G minor, 'L'estate' The Four Seasons 'Il cimento, No 2', 3rd Movement: Presto" (1725), #123 of all-time, Concertos
4. ERIK SATIE "Gymnopédies No. 1" (1888), #174 of all-time, Chamber.
5. LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN "Symphony No. 3 in E flat major 'Eroica', 2nd Movement: Marcia funebre, Adagio assai" (1803), #225 of all-time, Symphonies.

User avatar
Romain
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 3076
Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:25 pm
Location: Lyon, France

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Romain » Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:36 pm

Thanks Whuntva :happy-partydance:

Honorio:
Grouping opera and Other vocal is, for me, a really good idear.

On the other side, I'm not sure for "Instrumental solo" + "ensemble", it seems too huge, especially when compared to the "Concerto" category for example.


However, maybe we can put some extract (youtube link) for the movements we love the much in each categories?

User avatar
bonnielaurel
Unquestionable Presence
Posts: 624
Joined: Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:48 pm

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby bonnielaurel » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:11 am

I agree with Romain. "Opera" and "Other vocal" could be merged into one big "Vocal" category. However I'm not in favor of merging "Ensemble" and "Solo", because piano solo is already big by itself, and then you have other keyboard and stringed instruments: organ, harpsichord, guitar, Bach's cello suites etc.
They give awards for that music? I thought just ear plugs. (Woody Allen in Annie Hall)

User avatar
Honorio
Die Mensch Maschine
Posts: 1456
Joined: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:38 am
Location: L'Eliana, Valencia, Spain

Re: AM Classical Poll: Symphonies

Postby Honorio » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:11 pm

Well, maybe you're right, Romain and bonnielaurel. In this case we can expand the "other orchestral" number of works passing to the final pool to 25. In this case we will end with a Top 125 of classical pieces (a better number than 120).


Return to “Music, music, music...”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 63 guests