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Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on AM

Post by Henrik » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:58 pm

If I could get help to define the debut albums from 2004-2013 among the AM albums that would be awesome.

I suggest that you just list the debut albums here in this thread, one year at a time.

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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Henrik » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:13 pm

There are debut albums lists from Musikexpress, Classic Rock, NME, Rolling Stone and No Ripcord. With your help I can include these lists in the next update.
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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Luke JR68 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:19 pm

Sure, I'll help with this one :)

Edit: How are EPs being considered in this instance (ie, would an EP released prior to one of these "debut" albums count as the true debut)?

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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Nassim » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:57 pm

I think EPs should not be counted since lots of albums that appear on the magazine lists have been preceded by EPs (Funeral, Licensed to Ill, Murmur or Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not).
There are a few more arguable ones like Bjork's Debut which was preceded by a self titled album in 1977 or Minor Threat's Out of Step and Pixies' Surfer Rosa for which the preceding EP is ranked in AM.

That taken into account, here is 2004 :

Arcade Fire - Funeral (not counting "Arcade Fire EP")
Kanye West - The College Dropout
Madvillain - Madvillainy (not debut from MF Doom, not debut from Madlib but first album as Madvillain)
TV on the Radio - Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes (not counting the self released demo album "OK Calculator" and the "Young Liars EP")
The Killers - Hot Fuss (not counting self released demo album "The Killers")
Danger Mouse - The Grey Album (not counting 2003's Danger Mouse & Jemini album "Ghetto Pop Life")
The Go! Team - Thunder, Lightning, Strike (not counting the "Get It Together" EP)
Joanna Newsom - The Milk-Eyed Mender (not counting the 2 Eps "Walnut Whales" and "Yarn and Glue")
Junior Boys - Last Exit
Scissor Sisters - Scissor Sisters
The Futureheads - The Futureheads (not counting "Nul Book Standard EP" and "1-2-3-Nul! EP")
CocoRosie - La Maison De Mon Rêve
Annie - Anniemal (not counting "I Will Get On" EP)

Bubbling Under :
A.C. Newman - The Slow Wonder
Adem - Homesongs
John Legend - Get Lifted
Kasabian - Kasabian
Keane - Hopes and Fears
Micah P. Hinson - Micah P. Hinson & The Gospel of Progress
Mylo - Destroy Rock & Roll
Nellie McKay - Get Away from Me
Ray Lamontagne - Trouble (not counting 1 demo and 4 Eps)
Secret Machines - Now Here Is Nowhere (not counting "September 000" EP)
The Zutons - Who Killed The Zutons?
Xiu Xiu - Fabulous Muscles

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Post by Henrik » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:11 pm

I agree EPs should not be counted. It's not necessary to be as detailed as Nassim, but of course it doesn't hurt. Thanks Nassim!
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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Luke JR68 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:25 pm

2005:
Ranked:
M.I.A. – Arular (not counting the "Piracy Funds Terrorism Volume 1" mixtape)
LCD Soundsystem – LCD Soundsystem
Bloc Party – Silent Alarm (preceded by the Bloc Party EP and the Little Thoughts EP (Japan Only))
Wolf Parade – Apologies to the Queen Mary (preceded by 3 self-titled EPs)
Clap Your Hands Say Yeah – Clap Your Hands Say Yeah
Art Brut – Bang Bang Rock & Roll
Editors – The Back Room (preceded by the Snowfield Demo EP, released under the name Snowfield)
Vitalic – OK Cowboy (preceded by the Poney EP)
Maximo Park – A Certain Trigger
Kaiser Chiefs – Employment (preceded by an album "22" released under the name Parva)
Babyshambles – Down in Albion (preceded by the Fuck Forever EP (Japan Only))

Bubbling Under:
The Magic Numbers – The Magic Numbers
DangerDoom – The Mouse and the Mask
CSS – Cansei de Ser Sexy (preceded by the Em Rotterdam Já É uma Febre EP and the A Onda Mortal/Uma Tarde com PJ EP)
Wolfmother – Wolfmother (preceded by a self-titled EP)
Hard-Fi – Stars of CCTV
Martha Wainwright – Martha Wainwright (preceded by a self-titled EP and the Bloody Mother Fucking Asshole EP)
Black Mountain – Black Mountain (preceded by the Quiet Weather Singles Series EP (with Destroyer) and the Druganaut EP)
Tapes ‘n Tapes – The Loon (preceded by a self-titled EP)
The Rakes – Capture/Release
Maria Taylor – 11:11

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Post by Luke JR68 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:59 pm

2006:
Ranked:
Arctic Monkeys – Whatever People Say I Am, That’s What I’m Not (preceded by the Beneath the Boardwalk demo album)
Gnarls Barkley – St. Elsewhere
Burial – Burial (preceded by the Soft London Boroughs EP)
Lily Allen – Alright, Still
Beirut – Gulag Orkestar
Band of Horses – Everything All the Time (preceded by the Tour EP)
Thom Yorke – The Eraser (Yorke’s debut as a solo artist)
The Raconteurs – Broken Boy Soldiers
Lupe Fiasco – Lupe Fiasco’s Food & Liquor (preceded by the Fahrenheit 1/15 series of mixtapes)
Jenny Lewis with the Watson Twins – Rabbit Fur Coat (Lewis’ debut as a solo artist)
Studio – West Coast/Yearbook 1 (Yearbook 1 is an expanded version of West Coast)
Bat for Lashes – Fur and Gold
Guillemots – Through the Windowpane (preceded by 3 EPs)

Bubbling Under:
Jarvis Cocker – Jarvis (Cocker’s debut as a solo artist)
Trentemøller – The Last Resort (preceded by the Trentemøller EP and the Nam Nam EP)
Spank Rock – YoYoYoYoYo
Love is All – Nine Times That Same Song (preceded by the Spinning and Scratching EP and the Felt Tip EP)
The Pipettes – We Are the Pipettes
The Long Blondes – Someone To Drive You Home
Cold War Kids – Robbers & Cowards (preceded by 3 EPs)
Silversun Pickups – Carnavas (preceded by the Pikul EP)
The Kooks – Inside In/Inside Out
The DFA – The DFA Remixes: Chapter One
Islands – Return to the Sea
Nathan Fake – Drowning in a Sea of Love (preceded by the Watlington Street EP and the Dinamo EP)
Sway – This is My Demo (preceded by the This is My Promo mixtapes)
Corrine Bailey Rae – Corrine Bailey Rae
Plan B – Who Needs Actions When You Got Words
The Rifles – No Love Lost
120 Days – 120 Days (preceded by the The Beautiful People EP and the Sedated Times EP)
Howling Bells – Howling Bells

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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Luke JR68 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 5:45 pm

2007:
Ranked:
Bon Iver – For Emma, Forever Ago
MGMT – Oracular Spectacular (preceded by the Time to Pretend EP)
Battles – Mirrored (preceded by 3 EPs)
Justice - † (preceded by the Waters of Nazareth EP)
The Good, the Bad and the Queen – The Good, the Bad and the Queen
Grinderman – Grinderman
Klaxons – Myths of the Near Future (preceded by the Xan Valleys EP)
Yeasayer – All Hour Cymbals

Bubbling Under:
Jamie T – Panic Prevention (preceded by 3 mix albums and 1 EP)
The Twilight Sad – Fourteen Autumns & Fifteen Winters (preceded by a self-titled EP)
Triángulo de Amor Bizarro - Triángulo de Amor Bizarro
St. Vincent – Marry Me (preceded by the Ratsliveonnoevilstar EP and the Paris is Burning EP)
Von Südenfed – Tromatic Reflexxions
Simian Mobile Disco – Attack Decay Sustain Release

EDIT: I missed The Fields - From Here We Go Sublime (preceded by the Things Keep Falling Down EP)
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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Luke JR68 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 6:56 pm

2008:
Ranked:
Fleet Foxes – Fleet Foxes (preceded by a self-titled EP and the Sun Giant EP)
Vampire Weekend – Vampire Weekend (preceded by a self-titled EP)
Hercules and Love Affair – Hercules and Love Affair
Santigold – Santogold (released under the name Santogold)
No Age – Nouns (preceded by the Weirdo Rippers compilation album)
Glasvegas – Glasvegas
Lindstrøm – Where You Go I Go Too (preceded by 3 EPs and 2 collaborative albums with Prins Thomas – I personally wouldn’t count this one, but it deserves to be noted)
The Last Shadow Puppets – The Age of the Understatement
Crystal Castles – Crystal Castles (I)
Fuck Buttons – Street Horrrsing
Foals – Antidotes (preceded by the Live at Liars Club EP)
Lykke Li – Youth Novels (preceded by the Little Bit EP (in Sweden))
Late of the Pier – Fantasy Black Channel (preceded by the Zarcorp Demo EP)

Bubbling Under:
Neon Neon – Stainless Style
Los Campesinos! – Hold On Now, Youngster… (preceded by the Hold On Now, Youngster demo album and the Sticking Fingers Into Sockets compilation EP)
She & Him – Volume One
Duffy – Rockferry (preceded by the Aimée Duffy EP (released under the same name) and the Live from London EP)
Atlas Sound – Let the Blind Lead Those Who Can See but Cannot Feel
Get Well Soon – Rest Now, Weary Head! You Will Get Well Soon (preceded by 4 EPs)
Friendly Fires – Friendly Fires (preceded by 3 EPs)
Laura Marling – Alas, I Cannot Swim (preceded by the The London Town EP and the My Manic and I EP)
White Denim – Workout Holiday (preceded by 3 EPs)
Kasai Allstars - In the 7th Moon, the Chief Turned Into a Swimming Fish and Ate the Head of His Enemy by Magic
Titus Andronicus – The Airing of Grievances (preceded by a self-titled EP)
High Places – High Places (preceded by a compilation album and 3 EPs)

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Post by Luke JR68 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:23 pm

2009:
Ranked:
The xx – xx
Fever Ray – Fever Ray
Girls – Album
The Pains of Being Pure at Heart – The Pains of Being Pure at Heart (preceded by a self-titled EP)
Japandroids – Post-Nothing (preceded by the All Lies EP and the Lullaby Death Jams EP)
Passion Pit – Manners (preceded by the Chunk of Change EP)
Florence + the Machine – Lungs (preceded by the A Lot of Love. A Lost of Blood EP)
Michachu and The Shapes – Jewellery (preceded by the Filthy Friends mixtape)
Monsters of Folk – Monsters of Folk

Bubbling Under:
DM Stith – Heavy Ghost
The Big Pink – A Brief History of Love (preceded by the This is Our Time EP (Japan Only)
La Roux – La Roux
Dead Weather – Horehound
Them Crooked Vultures – Them Crooked Vultures
Memory Tapes – Seek Magic (preceded by 3 EPs released as Memory Cassette)
Pete Doherty – Grace/Wasteland (Doherty’s debut as a solo artist)

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Post by Luke JR68 » Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:31 pm

2010:
Ranked:
Janelle Monáe – The ArchAndroid (preceded by the unofficial Audition album and the Metropolis: Suite I EP)
Big Boi – Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty (Big Boi’s debut as a solo artist, preceded the Mixtape for Dummies: A Guide to Global Dominance mixtape)
Sleigh Bells – Treats (preceded by a self-titled EP)
Tame Impala – Innerspeaker (preceded by 2 self-titled EPs)
John Grant – Queen of Denmark (Grant’s debut as a solo artist)
Twin Shadow – Forget
Best Coast – Crazy for You (preceded by 3 EPs)
Mount Kimbie – Crooks & Lovers (preceded by the Maybes EP and the Sketch on Glass EP)
Gonjasufi – A Sufi and a Killer
Warpaint – The Fool (preceded by the Exquisite Corpse EP)
Surfer Blood – Astro Coast

Bubbling Under:
Wild Nothing – Gemini
Salem – King Night (preceded by the Yes I Smoke Crack EP and the Water EP)
Avi Buffalo – Avi Buffalo
Jónsi – Go (Jónsi’s debut as a solo artist)
Villagers – Becoming a Jackal (preceded by the Hollow Kind EP)
The Drums – The Drums (preceded by the Summertime! EP)
Gold Panda – Lucky Shiner (preceded by 3 EPs)

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Re: Help wanted: Define the debut albums from 2004-2013 on A

Post by Luke JR68 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:22 am

Ok, I've got a question, Henrik: How would you like the situation involving critically lauded mixtapes to be handled?
There are a few instances that aren't too difficult to address (I doubt that anyone would argue that Kiss Land's existence means that House of Balloons is ineligible as The Weeknd's debut), but a stickier situation comes with Frank Ocean.
Does Nostaliga, Ultra qualify as his debut because it was his first piece of recorded work under that name?
Does Channel Orange qualify because it was his first studio album released via a major label and sold for a profit?
Or do they both count depending on the individual list's understanding of "debut"?

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Post by Luke JR68 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:36 am

Ok, I guess I'll post the rest of the lists, and we'll work out the issues after the fact...

2011:
Ranked:
James Blake – James Blake (preceded by 3 EPs)
The Weeknd – House of Balloons (I guess this could be discounted on the basis of not being his debut studio album…)
Shabazz Palaces – Black Up (preceded by a self-title EP and the Of Light EP)
Nicolas Jaar – Space is Only Noise
Yuck – Yuck
Wild Flag – Wild Flag
Frank Ocean – Nostalgia, Ultra (see The Weeknd)
Anna Calvi – Anna Calvi
SBTRKT – SBTRKT (preceded by 3 EPs)
Iceage – New Brigade (preceded by a self-titled EP)

Bubbling Under:
Washed Out – Within and Without (preceded by 3 EPs)
Josh T. Pearson – Last of the Country Gentlemen
Rustle – Glass Swords (preceded by 3 EPs)
Katy B – On a Mission


2012:
Ranked:
Frank Ocean – Channel Orange (Depends on the ruling involving Nostalgia, Ultra?)
Jack White – Blunderbuss (White’s debut as a solo artist)
Jessie Ware – Devotion (preceded by the Nervous EP (collaboration with SBTRKT))
alt-J – An Awesome Wave (preceded by the ∆ demo EP)
Django Django – Django Django
John Talabot – Fin
Death Grips – The Money Store (preceded by the Exmilitary mixtape, similar to the Channel Orange Issue)
Alabama Shakes –Boys & Girls (preceded by a self-titled EP)
Purity Rings – Shrines
DIIV – Oshin

Bubbling Under:
Kindness – World, You Need a Change of Mind
Goat – World Music
TOY – TOY
Laurel Halo – Quarantine (preceded by 3 EPs)
Matthew E. White – Big Inner (White’s debut as a solo artist)


2013:
Ranked:
Disclosure – Settle (preceded by 5+ EPs)
Haim – Days Are Gone (preceded by the Forever EP)
Savages – Silence Yourself (preceded by the I Am Here EP)
Chvrches – The Bones of What You Believe (preceded by 3 EPs)
Run the Jewels – Run the Jewels
Earl Sweatshirt – Doris (preceded by the Earl mixtape)
Lorde – Pure Heroine (preceded by the The Love Club EP and the Tennis Court EP)
Rhye – Woman
Darkside – Psychic
King Krule – 6 Feet Beneath the Moon (preceded by the U.F.O.W.A.V.E. EP (released as Zoo Kid) and the King Krule EP)
Factory Floor – Factory Floor
Atoms for Peace – Amok
Forest Swords –Engravings (preceded by the Fjree Feathers EP and the Dagger Paths EP)

Bubbling Under:
Jagwar Ma – Howlin’
Pusha T – My Name is My Name (Pusha’s debut as a solo artist, preceded by the Fear of God II: Let Us Pray EP)
Daniel Avery – Drone Logic
Sky Ferreira – Night Time, My Time (preceded by the As If! EP and the Ghost EP)
Daughter – If You Leave (preceded by 3 EPs)
London Grammar – If You Wait (preceded by the Metal & Dust EP)
DJ Rashad – Double Cup
Kelela – Cut 4 Me
A$AP Rocky – Long.Live.A$AP (preceded by the Live.Love.A$AP mixtape - Same situation as F. Ocean and D. Grips)
Laura Mvula – Sing to the Moon (preceded by the She EP)
AlunaGeorge – Body Music (preceded by the You Know You Like It EP)
Jessy Lanza – Pull My Hair Back
Special Request – Soul Music (preceded by the Hardcore EP)

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Post by PlasticRam » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:58 pm

Kendrick Lamar's debut album is Section.80 then? I'm just saying cos Rolling Stone ranked GKMC 86th on their The 100 Best Debut Albums of All Time, but I guess we're gonna treat that entry just like compilations on RS 500, and just leave it out.
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Post by Luke JR68 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:42 pm

PlasticRam wrote:Kendrick Lamar's debut album is Section.80 then? I'm just saying cos Rolling Stone ranked it 86th on their The 100 Best Debut Albums of All Time, but I guess we're gonna treat that entry just like compilations on RS 500, and just leave it out.
I would assume so... Honestly Rolling Stone, Section.80 might not have been released to an overwhelming amount of attention (nor was it released by a major label), but it is pretty lazy to just flat-out ignore it :angry-nono:

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Post by PlasticRam » Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:58 pm

Luke JR68 wrote:
PlasticRam wrote:Kendrick Lamar's debut album is Section.80 then? I'm just saying cos Rolling Stone ranked it 86th on their The 100 Best Debut Albums of All Time, but I guess we're gonna treat that entry just like compilations on RS 500, and just leave it out.
I would assume so... Honestly Rolling Stone, Section.80 might not have been released to an overwhelming amount of attention (nor was it released by a major label), but it is pretty lazy to just flat-out ignore it :angry-nono:
I think I had a brain fade. They ranked Good Kid Maad City 86th. But maybe you understood me correctly despite my total screw-up :D
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Post by Luke JR68 » Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:05 pm

PlasticRam wrote:They ranked Good Kid Maad City 86th. But maybe you understood me correctly despite my total screw-up :D
You got it :wink:

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Post by Henrik » Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:30 pm

Thousand thanks Luke!

I have no general answer to your questions. I think the best thing to do is to try to get a feeling of how each critics' source have handled things like mixtapes and EPs. The detailed information gives me the possibility to be flexible, which is awesome. Thanks again to everyone who helped me!
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