AMF Hall of Acclaim 2010 Edition: Voting Thread

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:00 am

I have read all of the almost all 5 star amazon.com reviews of the new remastered amazon.com best seller,The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl and many people are saying what I and other fans have said elsewhere,that given how limited and primitive sound systems of the time were,and they had no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing,they played and sounded amazingly good! I heard the small samples on amazon.com,and what struck me is how typically great and prominent Paul's bass playing is,someone said he's playing it like a lead instrument.Also an amazon.com reviewer said how underrated John's rhythm guitar playing is and how George Harrison's guitar playing is very good and how great Ringo's drumming is.
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Here on Paul McCartney.com quite a few members are saying that it's amazing and incredible that The Beatles played so great and sang so great with such primitive sound systems at the time and no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing.One member said they were without a doubt the greatest live rock band ever!

http://maccaboard.paulmccartney.com/php ... c&start=45

Many are saying the same things on this music forum including how great and hard rocking of a live band The Beatles really were.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/b ... 2/page-141

I found only part of this review from The London Times,you have to have a subscription to read the whole article though,and it says in the first part of it,that it's remarkable they played as well as they did given that they couldn't hear a thing.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pop-t ... -f9pxrkmzg

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:01 am

In this interview with news reporter Larry Kane who interviewed The Beatles from 1964-1966 on their concert tours,and he's in Ron Howard's Beatles documentary Eight Days A week,says that he was at 46 Beatles concerts and there wasn't a bad one. He also says he thinks the film is a reminder of how good The Beatles were as musicians,and he said modern musicians would look at the puny sound equipment they had and will be amazed and that some of their concerts had their music going out on the stadium public address system.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-37355216

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:03 am

It's really amazing how good The Beatles sounded live with such limited primitive crappy sound systems of the time,but they were so great that they would have even sounded good playing out of of cave.

There is an online interview with Roger Daltry,Roger's Journey With The Who in The Sun http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sh ... e-Who.html and he was asked if The Who had screaming girls at a certain point,and he said after Can't Explain they did. He said it was the screaming teenage era and every band had them on their way up. He said it was fun at first but the trouble for a performer when you are that young and inexperienced is that you start to judge your performances on the amount they scream,he said it's nonsense which is why Lennon gave up. He also said that The Who's manager turned their image overnight from scruffy rockers to Mods.

When The Beatles played live in 1963,64,65 & 66 they only had 100 watt amplifiers,no feedback monitors so they couldn't hear themselves sing and play,plus the screaming crowds and that's why they gave up touring.

George Harrison says in The Beatles Anthology video series,that for their August 1965 Shea Stadium concerts, special 100 watt amplifiers were made and that they went up from only 30 watts before. Given how limited and primitive the sound systems were then,it's amazing they sounded as good as they did live.But it was impossible for *anyone* to sound great on those kind of limited,primitive sound systems of the time.

Former Kiss guitarist Bob Kulick who produced the heavy metal Beatles tribute album, Butchering The Beatles, said he saw The Beatles in concert in 1966 and he said he could hear parts of Baby's In Black & Paperback Writer and they sounded amazing.

A guy Steve from Canada said on Artist Facts,that he saw The Beatles live in 1966 and The Stones in 1996(and the sound systems by then were a zillion times better!) and he said don't get me wrong,The Stones were great but they were no match for The Beatles and he called The Beatles The Greatest Band Of All Time.

The Beatles started out playing 8 hours a night in the sleazy strip clubs of Hamburg Germany,taking speed pills to stay awake,wearing tight black leather jackets and pants,smoking and cursing on stage,and had sex with so many young women groupies including the strippers in those clubs,they were successful there. They also played successfully live in The Cavern Club for several years in the early 1960's.

John and George especially hated Beatle Mania,and George says in The Anthology series, that it took a toll on their nervous systems, they had no life either trapped in hotel rooms most of the time. They wanted to be popular & successful as every band does, but they didn't want or ask for the hysteria. John says in his 1975 Tomorrow Show interview that the screaming wasn't doing the music any good,and that things would break down and nobody would know.

The Beatles sound great on their live roof top January 1969 concert in The Let It Be Film, and the sound systems had improved by then,(although still very limited compared to today's) and there were no more screaming crowds.

Paul was playing guitar and writing songs at 14 and he started soon after his beloved nurse and midwife mother Mary died of breast cancer, and he wrote the beautiful song Let It Be after he had a real seeming dream where he saw her alive again and she told him to just accept things as they are. He says in his authorized biography, that when he woke up he thought how great it was to see her alive again.

And there is this very good article by Collin Fleming from The Atlantic, 50 Years Later: The Greatest Beatles Performance Of All Time

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainmen ... me/280801/

And there used to be the full video of The Beatles February 1964 Washington Colosseum and there were over 1,000 likes and many people were saying what Frank and Jack say to this now only audio version of this concert,( many people on youtube are saying why are many of The Beatles videos gone off of youtube now and some are saying it's because of UMG_MK and I don't know what this is.) that it's amazing that with such crappy sound systems of those days and no feedback monitors so they couldn't even hear themselves singing and playing and many said they still sound so good and great and some say this Washington concert proves what a great live band they were and before they got so tired of all of the Beatlemania garbage they had to put up with all of the screaming drowning out their great music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge66-bK0E70

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:03 am

I also met two people and know a third one who saw The Beatles in concert,one woman and one man who were my high school teachers who saw them in 1966,and the other my second cousin who saw them at the Baltimore Coliseum when she was 16 in 1964,she became a psychologist.They all told me that they were close enough to them to see and hear the The Beatles and that they were great.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:05 am

Of the countless lies and inacurrate things Scaruffi says about The Beatles is their writing 3 minute songs,well until The Beatles broke the rules for everyone with the long song Hey Jude in 1968, the radio's rules for everyone was that they wouldn't play any songs longer than 3 minutes. If you look up online The Rolling Stones early hit songs like Paint It Black etc they too are only 3 minutes and some seconds.Pain It Black is only 3 minutes and 22 seconds long.

As Tears Go By is only 2 minutes and 33 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_Tears_Go_By_(song)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_It_Black

Under My Thumb is only 3 minutes and 41 seconds long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_My_Thumb

Get Off Of My Cloud is only 2 minutes and 55 seconds long

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Get_Off_of_My_Cloud

Satisfaction is only 3 minutes and 44 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(I_Can%27 ... tisfaction

Ruby Tuesday is only 3 minutes and 15 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Tuesday_(song)

The Who's My Generation is only 3 minutes and 18 seconds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Generation

Happy Jack by The Who is only 2 minutes and 14 seconds

long.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Jack_(song)

etc, etc

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:06 am

In 1964 The Rolling Stones wrote and recorded a Rice Krispies TV commercial jingle not something cool like a cigarette ad and they also had teen girls screaming at their early concerts.Maybe The Rolling Stones should be called a boy band too.I'm pretty certain The Beatles never wrote and recorded a jingle for a cereal TV commercial.

Just like The Beatles went along with their manager Brain Epstein's fake cleaned up image to get their foot in the door after playing and working their as*ses off for so many years,The Rolling Stones did the same thing here.

http://www.snopes.com/the-rolling-stone ... es-jingle/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZBmhEMFdl0

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:06 am

In this 2013 interview with Eric Clapton he says John Lennon was a great musician,amazing song composer and friend.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ente ... 241104.cms

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:07 am

I really didn't want to link to this article because unfortunately it says it appeared in Penthouse, the sexist,woman-hating,degrading and violent pornographic magazine in 1984,but I can't find the full interview anywhere else.

This is a great interview with John Lennon and Yoko Ono at The St.Regis Hotel in September 1971. And Yoko was asked if she knew about what really went on during The Beatles tours,and she says she had thought that he's an artist I'm sure he has had a few affairs, and she said she was really shocked and she said Oh God! when John told her the whole story about what he called all of the raving that went on their tours,Yoko said she had never heard the word groupie before and she didn't know what the word groupie meant.And Yoko was no innocent either,John was her third husband,she had a daughter with her second husband,and she had quite a few affairs and even abortions in the 1960's.

John is also asked if playing 8 hours a night from 1960-1962 as The Beatles did in Hamburg Germany improved their playing and he said oh amazingly because before that they had only played bits and pieces but in hamburg they played for hours and hours and that's how they developed their rock n roll sound and playing.He also mentions how they took (meaning speed pills) to stay awake playing so long.

http://www.beatlesinterviews.org/db1971 ... atles.html

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:09 am

Here is a really good July 1976 Rolling Stone Magazine interview with George Martin in which he's asked about George Harrison who he says is talented but John and Paul are so enormously talented that it was silly to look elsewhere.But it's obvious George Harrison was even more talented as a song writer and guitarist than most people realize because in this same interview George Martin says that he didn't give George much encouragement he just tolerated him. And of course John and Paul didn't give him much encouragement,so he did mostly everything on his own.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/featu ... 2#comments

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:09 am

Around 2003 I found an online interview with George Martin and he said that even though he has produced many other music artists and he has never had the same success before or after producing The Beatles,he has never known or worked with anyone as brilliant as The Beatles. He was also interviews in the 1990's on a Breakfast With The Beatles show on a local rock station,and he said that John Lennon and Paul McCartney were incredibly talented people and he said it like he still couldn't believe it. And he also said they both were extraordinarily talented song writers and great singers.

And in the excellent thorough book by Mark Lewisohn,The Beatles Recording Sessions,George Martin,and so many of The Beatles tape operators and recording engineers are interviewed,(and in the beginning there is a great 1987 interview with Paul McCartney) and they describe in detail how truly innovative, brilliant and creative especially John and Paul were in their amazing 8 year recording career. And there is a big black and white picture of Mick Jagger sitting in between John and Paul in the recording console room listening to the playback of the songs from The Beatles Revolver album.

And my cousin who was born in 1968 who used to be a lawyer,and his brother born in 62 who is still a lawyer,and their sister born in 64,their oldest brother born in 60,and their parents have always been Beatles fans. My cousin born in 68,went to England around 1991 and he told me that he was at a British Museum where the works of Shakespere,Dickens,Wodsworth and Keats,Lennon and McCartney's lyrics are right in the same case. And he said the majority of visitors always said,forget the Shakespeare etc,lets go over to the Lennon and McCartney lyrics.

When I once asked him,if he still liked The Beatles he said,best band there ever was.My step cousin born in 1958,said they probably were the greatest band ever.He saw Paul McCartney and Wings in May 1976 in concert when he was 18 and he said it was a great show.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:10 am

In The All Music Guide's great review of The Beatles Past Masters album,they say they proved that they could rock really,really hard with their songs I Feel Fine,She's a Woman,and the peerless I'm Down http://www.allmusic.com/album/past-masters-mw0000691313 all from late 1964 and early 1965.

Not to mention Paul's 1963 very good rocker which many people say is a great early rock n roll song,I Saw Her Standing There,and John's great rock n roll song,You Can't Do That written and recorded in February 1964. And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits,the rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man in 1963 write in front of Mick Jagger and Keith Richards who were so impressed and they couldn't believe they could write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs.And both The Beatles and The Rolling Stones became good friends from then on.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:11 am

In this All Music Guide review of The Beatles late 1963 album,With The Beatles Stephen Thomas Erlewine says at the end of the very good review that still the heart of With The Beatles lies not in the covers but the originals where it was clear that even at this early stage The Beatles were rapidly maturing and changing turning into expert craftsman and musical innovators.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/with-the- ... 0000192941

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:12 am

Here are The Rolling Stones live in 1963 and 1964 they don't sound better or even as good as The Beatles live then! They aren't even rocking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV62UcqbcQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfj1O_fApvA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV241mctbg0

Here is The Rolling Stones in 1963 performing the cover Roll Over Beethoven.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64GbValI_To

Here are The Beatles also performing Roll Over Beethoven in 1964,and clearly their version is more rocking and better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rLci6tPOtY

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:14 am

Not only did The Beatles give The Rolling Stones one of their first hits with their rock n roll song I Wanna Be Your Man as you know,and they wrote it right in front of them and Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and like wow how can you write a song just like that and it motivated them to start writing their own songs and The Rolling Stones became good friends with and fans of The Beatles from then on .

Mick Jagger was at 4 Beatles recording sessions and Keith Richards was at 2 of them with him.Also Mick Jagger was such a big Beatles fan that in May 1967 when The Beatles were recording their song Baby You're A Rich Man he came there and stood on the sidelines to watch and listen to them recording it. His name is also on the tape box and he likely sang at the end verses.In Mark Lewishon's great detailed music diary book, The Beatles Recording Sessions there is a big black and white picture of Mick Jagger sitting in between John and Paul in the recording console room during The Beatles Revolver recording sessions too.

The Beatles remastered albums sold much more 40 years after their break up than The Rolling Stones remastered albums and they are still together! The Beatles have the best selling album of the last decade with their CD 1.And soon after their music went on iTunes,it went to the top.

And Brian Jones played the saxophone on the strange Beatles song, You Know My Name Look Up The Number and he and Mick Jagger's girlfriend at the time Marianne Faithful contributed sound effects on the song Yellow Submarine.

As this guy Sal66 who is also a musician and has also posted on sites debunking ignorant cr*p about The Beatles has rightfully pointed out, The Beatles wrote,played and recorded I Feel Fine (which The All Music Guide says has brilliant,active ,difficult guitar leads and riffs) in the Fall of 1964 which was the first use of feedback guitar on a pop rock record and it also had a prominent guitar riff throughout this very good song almost a year *before* The Rolling Stones's Satisfaction came out.

And on John's great Norwegian Wood recorded in the Fall of 1965,George Harrison was the first to play a sitar on a pop rock song and it was released on their great album Rubber Soul in December and then in May 1966 The Rolling Stones song Paint It Black came out with Brian Jones playing a sitar.

And in Paul McCartney's authorized biography Many Years From Now, Mick Jagger's former girlfriend singer Marianne Faithful says that she and Mick used to go over to Paul's house a lot and hang out in his music room. She said he never went to see them at their house they always went to visit him because he was Paul McCartney.She also said that Mick was intimidated by Paul but that Paul was totally oblivious to this.

Paul also says in this book that he turned Mick on to pot in his music room and he said which is funny because a lot of people would assume it was the other way around. Mick Jagger was also with The Beatles in Bangor when they got the call that Brian Epstein was found dead because he went on the train with them with his then girl friend singer Marianne Faithful to see the Maharishi to study meditation that weekend.

Also Mick Jagger is quoted on a Rolling Stones fan site,timeisonourside.com saying that Keith Richards liked The Beatles because he was quite interested in their chord sequences and he says he also liked their harmonies which he said were always a slight problem for The Rolling Stones.He said Keith always tried to get the harmonies off the ground but they always seemed messy.Mick then says,that what they never really got together were Keith and Brian singing backup vocals
and he said it didn't work because Keith was a better singer and to keep going,oooh,ooh,ooh(he laughs) and he said Brian liked all of those oohs which Keith had to put up with.He also said Keith was capable of much stronger vocals than ooh,ooh,ooh.

On this same fan site Keith Richards is quoted from 1971 saying that The Beatles were perfect for opening doors,when they went to America they left it wide open for them and he said that The Rolling Stones could never have gone to America without them.He also said that The Beatles are so f**king good at what they did.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:14 am

Here is The Rolling Stones performing one of my favorite songs by them,Street Fighting Man the music is great in it,although the words are very good too, while most of the comments are positive,there is a guy in the comments who said it's a weak performance and they sound like a high school cover band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHugEELD8o8

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:15 am

Here is part of The Beatles great January 1969 roof top concert. What Steve Paradiso says in the comments,That The Beatles were arguably The Greatest Rock n Roll Band Ever is *so true!*

https://vimeo.com/95681569

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:15 am

This is a great August 1986 hour long Paul McCartney interview by Barbara Hower from Entertainment This Week. She asked him a lot of great intelligent questions including how he felt about John Lennon's horrible,tragic murder and she got a rare great interview out of him and he comes across as very likeable intelligent,funny,serious and charming.

This is really the best interview with Paul that I have ever seen or heard.She also talked to him about his drug arrests and all of drug related songs of The Beatles and his time in jail in Japan because of having tons of pot with him and she asked him after having so many groupies how has he managed to stat faithful to one woman,and he only half jokingly says it hasn't been easy.And in between commercials Lionel Richie and David lee Roth talk about how great The Beatles,especially John and Paul were as song writers.

I still have this interview on an old VHS tape from the time. It's not on youtube though for some reason. Unfortunately it gets interrupted by advertisements but then the interview resumes.But I just watched it again and there were no commercials now, I hope they don't include them again.

Paul also says in this interview that soon after John died Yoko called him up and told Paul that John really loved him.

Notice how uncomfortable Paul's face expression is for about a minute in this great August 1986 hour long Paul McCartney interview by Barbara Hower from Entertainment This Week when she says to him,probably your first great love before you married Linda was Jane Asher, it struck a chord.I'm sure that Paul was really in love with intelligent beautiful British actress Jane too,you don't write the beautiful love songs such as And I Love Her,Things We Said Today, and Here There Everywhere,(plus the great songs he wrote about his arguments with her,which was his own fault because of his sexism constantly trying to get Jane to give up her acting career she loved so much and that she had been doing since she was 5 years old.She left him for good when in early 1968 after they had been lovers for 5 years and engaged to be married for 7 months,she found him in their bed in their house with another woman.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3qtunj

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:16 am

Many people on different message boards have said the only Rolling Stones song they like is Paint It Black, my first cousin who is a head hunter helping people find jobs,she used to an accountant,and when she was 21 a huge Rolling Stones fan she also had The Beatles Revolver album in her bedroom.

When The Rolling Stones did their Steel Wheels tour in 1989 I asked her if she still liked The Rolling Stones and she said no,but the same year at her wedding shower my male and female cousins were talking about The Beatles who we all love,and my cousin said Oh I love The Beatles.

And when I was going to Paul McCartney live for the first time in 1990 and I was very excited about it,I was going on about how great he,John and The Beatles were and she said OK,I said you said you love The Beatles too and she said hey bottom line they were geniuses!

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:17 am

The Beatles do need defending because there truly is so much ignorant,inaccurate myths about them,the most ignorant and ludicrous of all,is that they were ever a boy band and they never were not even for half of a second.

Here is a review of The Beatles first album,Please Please Me by a top Epionions music reviewer Scapp70 he says they need defending and he said that he had been reading some really negative things about The Beatles in print and online,and he said it's just so wild.He said but when you're as big as The Beatles there is bound to be some negativity out there. He explains how brilliant they were and that they were fine musicians,amazing song writers and forward thinkers, and how they made an amazing amount of great albums in such a short time and why they are rightfully widely considered the best band ever.

http://www.epinions.com/review/musc_mu- ... 7863793284

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:17 am

As The Rolling Stone Album Guide said, not liking The Beatles is as perverse as not liking the sun. And Ozzy Osbourne( he's been a huge Beatles fan he was a young teen from The Beatles early days,and he picked She Loves You as one of Rolling Stone Magazine's greatest songs of all time,and Sgt.Pepper is one of hi favorite albums) said not loving The Beatles is like not loving oxygen. And a guy who runs Keno's Classic Rock n Roll Site and who runs a Rolling Stones and John Lennon fan site says in his review of The Beatles 1967-1970 Blue Album damn The Beatles were one great group and he said in his great review of The Beatles 1962-1966 Red album, that if you don't love or at least like The Beatles and their music then you are not a true rock fan and more than likely will never ever get it.

He also says that John Lennon showed on Paul's rocker Get Back why he should have played lead guitar more often because he did such a good job of it. He also said he played a pretty good slide guitar on George's For Your Blue and he said John also played one of the first and best acid guitar parts on his great rocker Revolution.

http://www.keno.org/classic_rock/rock_a ... views.html

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:20 am

My blog,The Beatles were Never a Boy Band They Were Always A Great Rock n Roll,Pop Rock And Rock Band From The Start!

Debunking this stupid,ignorant,ludicrous myth that The Beatles were ever a boy band

https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandthey ... press.com/

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:20 am

In the 2012 Newsweek Beatles special celebrating 50 years since their music came out,Steve Jobs was quoted from Walter Isaacson's biography as talking about how the band's approach to recording "refining and refining" influenced his own creative process. He said they were such perfectionists they kept it going and going he said. Steve Jobs said that this made a big impression on him when he was in his thirties.Newsweek rightfully says,that it's hard to imagine another rock band that influenced the way computers are made just as it is to think of one whose name became an adjective. And Newsweek said and that's why The Beatles still stand apart.

They quote Steve Jobs saying,"Somebody else could have replicated the Stones,(Newsweek then says,nailing the difference between artists shaped by their times and those who shape them),no one could have been Dylan or The Beatles."

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:21 am

A radio host who was a former DJ once said that The Beatles are one of the only if not only bands that almost all of their songs were great including the album tracks that weren't released as singles.

On a message board discussion some years ago about what bands and artists people consider overrated,quite a few said The Rolling Stones and some said The Beatles or both,and a guy said if you ask almost anybody in the music business they will tell you that The Beatles were the Greatest Band Ever.

I once spoke to a rock DJ about The Beatles and even though he said they aren't his favorite,he said nobody can say that The Beatles weren't great,he said especially John Lennon and Paul McCartney as song writers.

And I once spoke to another rock DJ who is a huge Beatles fan & who has hosted a 2 hour Breakfast With The Beatles radio show for over 20 years & I said that The Beatles work in the recording studio described in details in The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn,is so impressive & brilliant & he said oh it's the work of geniuses. I said how can anyone not recognize what extraordinary singer song composers John Lennon & Paul McCartney were? And he said oh you can ask anyone in the music business & they will tell you that.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:22 am

Giles Martin,George Martin's son who recently remastered The Beatles 1964 and 1965 Live At The Hollywood Bowl concerts rightfully says on All Songs Considered when people ask him if The Beatles were a good live band,he says they were a great live band and he mentions the very limited,primitive sound systems they had back then,and says how great The Beatles played live in the studio on their first 3 or 4 albums,and that they all played their instruments very good.

He obviously means they played these first several albums live because they didn't even have any overdubbing until 1965 so they had to play and record those albums live.And their first albums before the great A Hard Day's Night album were recorded on only 2 track tape,they had 4 track by A Hard Day's Night and only 8 track for The White album,Let It Be and Abbey Road.

http://www.npr.org/sections/allsongs/20 ... -than-ever

Moonbeam · Post by **Moonbeam** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:30 am

Holy moly! Imagine what this guy would write if he knew what I thought of The Beatles?

This same person posted the same diatribe at RateYourMusic not long ago and quickly deleted his account. The information is some copy paste from here: https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandthey ... dpress.com

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:34 am

Scaruffi also lies when he called the very talented George Harrison a ''pathetic'' guitar player.

Hunter Davies wrote in his 1968 only authorized Beatles biography,The Beatles that George Harrison at only age 13 would stay up till 2 in the morning playing his guitar until he got all of the chords exactly right and his fingers were bleeding and his nice mother stayed up with him to. And One of The Beatles engineers Geoff Emerick says in Mark Lewisohn's excellent Beatles recording diary,The Beatles Recording Sessions that in early 1966 when The Beatles were recording John's song I'm Only Sleeping, George Harrison played backwards guitar the most difficult way possible even though he could have taken an easy way,and it took him 6 hours just to do the guitar overdubs! He then made it doubly difficult by adding even more distorted guitars and Geoff says this was all George's idea and that he did all of the playing!

Eric Clapton said in a 1992 interview when he and George were asked what they admired about each other during their Japan tour, that George is a fantastic slide guitar player. He and George were very good friends and they obviously admired and respected each others guitar playing and George played guitar on Cream's song Badge.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:38 am

Moonbeam wrote:Holy moly! Imagine what this guy would write if he knew what I thought of The Beatles?

This same person posted the same diatribe at RateYourMusic not long ago and quickly deleted his account. The information is some copy paste from here: https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandthey ... dpress.com

All of this great strong information including by genuine music academics isn't a ''diatribe''. It's a factual correction to very ignorant inaccurate lies,and myths constantly being posted about The Beatles. Since I happen to know a lot about them,with any topic if you are trying to debunk myths and inaccurate information,you need to provide a lot of strong evidence and that is all I did.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:39 am

Paul McCartney is the Mozart of rock and he really was born this way because he inherited his father Jim McCartney's and Jim's father's natural music talent,to a rare ridiculous extreme degree. Paul's father Jim taught himself how to play the piano at age 14,and he broke an ear drum at the age of 10 so he was deaf in one ear,and he went on to become a classical jazz pianist and the leader of his own band Jim Mac's Band who were popular in clubs in Liverpool. His father even wrote an instrumental song called,walking In The Park With Eloise which Paul and Wings recorded with the name The Country Hams in 1974 and included this song on their 1976 Wings album,Wings At The Speed Of Sound.

But his father and grandfather weren't poets,they were naturally musically talented and Paul has always been more of a *music genius* than a lyric genius even though he can and has written very good lyrics,but he doesn't have to.And even when he did it's his *music* that is what is so great about his songs and albums.

Paul's father's father,also played brass and other instruments in a band and was a good singer with a good singing voice.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:40 am

Paul's 1975 Venus & Mars Wings album is a great rock album and out of the majority of great reviews on amazon.com it gets a well deserved 5 stars out of over 100 reviews for this album. This is one of the *GREATEST* solo/Wings Paul albums he ever did! It's great and it's Beatles quality because every song is very good & if anyone wants to know what a true music genius Paul really is,just listen to the *music* in the great Letting Go.

My mother only liked classical music,Beethoven,Bach & Mozart,no rock & she played their music on the piano.When I was playing this album and she came into the room when Letting Go was on,she asked me is that Paul McCartney and I said yes and she said Oh that music is brilliant,he's a music genius like Beethoven! My mother was also a talented artist who sculpted,and drew with charcoal pencils and pastels, and she even sold some of her sculptures at a few local galleries.

And my sister who is 4 years older than me and had a big diverse music collection since she was a mid teen,bought Venus and Mars when it came out,and I remember listening to it with her,and her friend and my best friend and we all loved it. My sister still says years later that Venus and Mars is one of the best rock albums she ever heard and that it's unique and she knows no album like it. She always said his 1971 Ram album was a very good album too,although I like this album much better and I really don't understand all of the love everywhere for his Ram album I think it only has 3 great songs on it, the great rocker Too Many People,Uncle Albert and Back Seat of My Car. Paul's best post Beatles sounding music was from 1970-1975,with this being his last true great album.After this he wrote some good music but he never wrote the same great quality music again for some reason.

His first solo album McCartney where he played every instrument by himself (and he played them all great) is very good,Red Rose Speedway and Band On The Run are very good albums too,and he produced all of these great albums by himself and co-arranged the music on Venus and Mars by himself.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:40 am

And John wrote this beautiful,brilliant song with beautiful music and John's typical beautiful singing voice, Number 9 Dream on his very good 1974 solo album,Walls And Bridges and he produced and arranged the whole album by himself including this beautiful,brilliant song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq2aaUp3hYc

Moonbeam · Post by **Moonbeam** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:15 am

Letmerollittoyou wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:Holy moly! Imagine what this guy would write if he knew what I thought of The Beatles?

This same person posted the same diatribe at RateYourMusic not long ago and quickly deleted his account. The information is some copy paste from here: https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandthey ... dpress.com

All of this great strong information including by genuine music academics isn't a ''diatribe''. It's a factual correction to very ignorant inaccurate lies,and myths constantly being posted about The Beatles. Since I happen to know a lot about them,with any topic if you are trying to debunk myths and inaccurate information,you need to provide a lot of strong evidence and that is all I did.

Opinions aren't "lies", nor are they "myths".

This forum is very Beatles-friendly, so I don't understand the need to spam this site with all of this information.

Romain · Post by **Romain** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:18 am

Moonbeam wrote:
Opinions aren't "lies", nor are they "myths".

This forum is very Beatles-friendly, so I don't understand the need to spam this site with all of this information.

Hmmmm, I prefer Alternative Fact than lies

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:49 am

Moonbeam wrote:
Letmerollittoyou wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:Holy moly! Imagine what this guy would write if he knew what I thought of The Beatles?

This same person posted the same diatribe at RateYourMusic not long ago and quickly deleted his account. The information is some copy paste from here: https://thebeatleswereneveraboybandthey ... dpress.com

All of this great strong information including by genuine music academics isn't a ''diatribe''. It's a factual correction to very ignorant inaccurate lies,and myths constantly being posted about The Beatles. Since I happen to know a lot about them,with any topic if you are trying to debunk myths and inaccurate information,you need to provide a lot of strong evidence and that is all I did.
Opinions aren't "lies", nor are they "myths".

This forum is very Beatles-friendly, so I don't understand the need to spam this site with all of this information.

But my big point is, is that Scaruffi wrote tons of outright *lies* falsehoods,inaccurate information about The Beatles there is a big difference from an opinion. If I wrote that for their first 10 years The Rolling Stones only wrote pop music and no blues or rock n roll,would that be my opinion or an inaccurate lie? If I said that Bob Dylan never was capable of playing the guitar or harmonica,would this be an opinion or a lie? Obviously lies,and I gave a ton of strong factual information that totally debunks Scaruffi's out right lies about The Beatles. For example one of the many big lies he tells is that non of The Beatles peers praised them when I gave interview and quote examples from many well known successful rock and other types of musicians that have not only praised them but many have called them the best band ever and called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the greatest song composers of the 20th century even over their own bands and solo selves.

I also gave great information from true genuine academic musicologists something Scrauffi is not.I also gave examples of many well known successful bass players and other musicians who have recognized what a great,melodic influential bass player Paul McCartney has always been,and even Eric Clapton in a 1977 interview said that there was always this guitar game between John and George,partly because John was a pretty guitar player himself etc.But you will never hear any of this from Scaruffi. I was not ''spamming either I just have a lot of strong great information to debunk these myths and lies.

Here is An Excellent Rebuttal Of Popular Music Reviewer Piero Scaruffi's Popular Horrible Lies About The Beatles I recently found this great blog post by a guitar player and musically academically knowledgeable guy debunking the totally ignorant,ludicrous hateful lies by cognitive scientist and music critic Piero Scaruffi about The Beatles that ignorant Beatles haters calling them a talentless boy band,are quoting on so many sites for many years now and still are.This guy very accurately points out what I knew from the moment that I read Scaruffi's garbage back in 2001,he says that Scaruffi tells consistent and deliberate lies about what The Beatles did,how they were regarded and what they were attempting to do,and that the lies he tells are a deliberate and consistent effort to make The Beatles look overrated to people.

https://factorysunburst.wordpress.com/2 ... omment-517

Here is another very good rebuttal of him by a different guy in 2009.

http://www.last.fm/es/user/RadioheadOas ... he_beatles

On a heavy metal site someone posted Scaruffi's horrible inaccurate bullsh*t about The Beatles and a guy said that Scaruffi made up contrived bullsh*t about The Beatles and that a lot of people think he knows what he's talking about because he's a cognitive scientist.Many people elsewhere have said that Scaruffi just made up most of this bullsh*t,he made all of it up,the only facts he got right are John,Paul,George,Ringo,George Martin and Brian Epstein's names and when someone makes up that many lies about a subject you really can't trust them especially about that subject at all.

I actually emailed this idiot Scaruffi back in 2001 to try to debunk his ignorant lies about The Beatles,and he emailed me back three times,and I was civil to him,(which wasn't easy,and I had to control myself from not cursing him,but I know that wasn't going to work to get through to him) and he was civil to me too,but you just can't get through to him.He actually said that he thought I'm one of the most intelligent Beatles fans he ever communicated with because I never mentioned The Beatles record sales as to why they are great and he actually claimed that this all the majority of Beatles fans said to him,that they sold the most records,which he denies that they did in his horrid article. I don't believe him at all I'm sure that a lot of knowledgeable fans did inform him of a lot of academic and music scholarship that debunks his stupid,horrible lies but he just doesn't want to recognize it because he irrationally hates The Beatles.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:50 am

Letmerollittoyou wrote:
Moonbeam wrote:
Letmerollittoyou wrote:

All of this great strong information including by genuine music academics isn't a ''diatribe''. It's a factual correction to very ignorant inaccurate lies,and myths constantly being posted about The Beatles. Since I happen to know a lot about them,with any topic if you are trying to debunk myths and inaccurate information,you need to provide a lot of strong evidence and that is all I did.
Opinions aren't "lies", nor are they "myths".

This forum is very Beatles-friendly, so I don't understand the need to spam this site with all of this information.

But my big point is, is that Scaruffi wrote tons of outright *lies falsehoods*, *inaccurate* information about The Beatles there is a big difference from an opinion. If I wrote that for their first 10 years The Rolling Stones only wrote pop music and no blues or rock n roll,would that be my opinion or an inaccurate lie? If I said that Bob Dylan never was capable of playing the guitar or harmonica,would this be an opinion or a lie? Obviously lies,and I gave a ton of strong factual information that totally debunks Scaruffi's out right lies about The Beatles. For example one of the many big lies he tells is that non of The Beatles peers praised them when I gave interview and quote examples from many well known successful rock and other types of musicians that have not only praised them but many have called them the best band ever and called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the greatest song composers of the 20th century even over their own bands and solo selves.

I also gave great information from true genuine academic musicologists something Scrauffi is not.I also gave examples of many well known successful bass players and other musicians who have recognized what a great,melodic influential bass player Paul McCartney has always been,and even Eric Clapton in a 1977 interview said that there was always this guitar game between John and George,partly because John was a pretty guitar player himself etc.But you will never hear any of this from Scaruffi. I was not ''spamming either I just have a lot of strong great information to debunk these myths and lies.

Here is An Excellent Rebuttal Of Popular Music Reviewer Piero Scaruffi's Popular Horrible Lies About The Beatles I recently found this great blog post by a guitar player and musically academically knowledgeable guy debunking the totally ignorant,ludicrous hateful lies by cognitive scientist and music critic Piero Scaruffi about The Beatles that ignorant Beatles haters calling them a talentless boy band,are quoting on so many sites for many years now and still are.This guy very accurately points out what I knew from the moment that I read Scaruffi's garbage back in 2001,he says that Scaruffi tells consistent and deliberate lies about what The Beatles did,how they were regarded and what they were attempting to do,and that the lies he tells are a deliberate and consistent effort to make The Beatles look overrated to people.

https://factorysunburst.wordpress.com/2 ... omment-517

Here is another very good rebuttal of him by a different guy in 2009.

http://www.last.fm/es/user/RadioheadOas ... he_beatles

On a heavy metal site someone posted Scaruffi's horrible inaccurate bullsh*t about The Beatles and a guy said that Scaruffi made up contrived bullsh*t about The Beatles and that a lot of people think he knows what he's talking about because he's a cognitive scientist.Many people elsewhere have said that Scaruffi just made up most of this bullsh*t,he made all of it up,the only facts he got right are John,Paul,George,Ringo,George Martin and Brian Epstein's names and when someone makes up that many lies about a subject you really can't trust them especially about that subject at all.

I actually emailed this idiot Scaruffi back in 2001 to try to debunk his ignorant lies about The Beatles,and he emailed me back three times,and I was civil to him,(which wasn't easy,and I had to control myself from not cursing him,but I know that wasn't going to work to get through to him) and he was civil to me too,but you just can't get through to him.He actually said that he thought I'm one of the most intelligent Beatles fans he ever communicated with because I never mentioned The Beatles record sales as to why they are great and he actually claimed that this all the majority of Beatles fans said to him,that they sold the most records,which he denies that they did in his horrid article. I don't believe him at all I'm sure that a lot of knowledgeable fans did inform him of a lot of academic and music scholarship that debunks his stupid,horrible lies but he just doesn't want to recognize it because he irrationally hates The Beatles.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:52 am

I didn't mean to get more than post of the same post.There really needs to be a delete option on here.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 10:56 am

Letmerollittoyou wrote:
Letmerollittoyou wrote:
Letmerollittoyou wrote:

But my big point is, is that Scaruffi wrote tons of outright *lies falsehoods*, *inaccurate* information about The Beatles there is a big difference from an opinion. If I wrote that for their first 10 years The Rolling Stones only wrote pop music and no blues or rock n roll,would that be my opinion or an inaccurate lie? If I said that Bob Dylan never was capable of playing the guitar or harmonica,would this be an opinion or a lie? Obviously lies,and I gave a ton of strong factual information that totally debunks Scaruffi's out right lies about The Beatles. For example one of the many big lies he tells is that non of The Beatles peers praised them when I gave interviews and quote examples from many well known successful rock and other types of musicians that have not only praised them but many have called them the best band ever and called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the greatest song composers of the 20th century even over their own bands and solo selves.

I also gave great information from true genuine academic musicologists something Scrauffi is not.I also gave examples of many well known successful bass players and other musicians who have recognized what a great,melodic influential bass player Paul McCartney has always been,and even Eric Clapton in a 1977 interview said that there was always this guitar game between John and George,partly because John was a pretty guitar player himself etc.But you will never hear any of this from Scaruffi. I was not ''spamming either I just have a lot of strong great information to debunk these myths and lies. I also gave links to reviews including by a musician himself of the excellent Beatles detailed music diary book,The Beatles Recording Sessions,which has detailed interviews with their recording egineers,tape operators and George Martin that clearly demonstrates how truly innovative,especially John and Paul were in the recording studio.I read this book a year after it came out.

Here is An Excellent Rebuttal Of Popular Music Reviewer Piero Scaruffi's Popular Horrible Lies About The Beatles I recently found this great blog post by a guitar player and musically academically knowledgeable guy debunking the totally ignorant,ludicrous hateful lies by cognitive scientist and music critic Piero Scaruffi about The Beatles that ignorant Beatles haters calling them a talentless boy band,are quoting on so many sites for many years now and still are.This guy very accurately points out what I knew from the moment that I read Scaruffi's garbage back in 2001,he says that Scaruffi tells consistent and deliberate lies about what The Beatles did,how they were regarded and what they were attempting to do,and that the lies he tells are a deliberate and consistent effort to make The Beatles look overrated to people.

https://factorysunburst.wordpress.com/2 ... omment-517

Here is another very good rebuttal of him by a different guy in 2009.

http://www.last.fm/es/user/RadioheadOas ... he_beatles

On a heavy metal site someone posted Scaruffi's horrible inaccurate bullsh*t about The Beatles and a guy said that Scaruffi made up contrived bullsh*t about The Beatles and that a lot of people think he knows what he's talking about because he's a cognitive scientist.Many people elsewhere have said that Scaruffi just made up most of this bullsh*t,he made all of it up,the only facts he got right are John,Paul,George,Ringo,George Martin and Brian Epstein's names and when someone makes up that many lies about a subject you really can't trust them especially about that subject at all.

I actually emailed this idiot Scaruffi back in 2001 to try to debunk his ignorant lies about The Beatles,and he emailed me back three times,and I was civil to him,(which wasn't easy,and I had to control myself from not cursing him,but I know that wasn't going to work to get through to him) and he was civil to me too,but you just can't get through to him.He actually said that he thought I'm one of the most intelligent Beatles fans he ever communicated with because I never mentioned The Beatles record sales as to why they are great and he actually claimed that this all the majority of Beatles fans said to him,that they sold the most records,which he denies that they did in his horrid article. I don't believe him at all I'm sure that a lot of knowledgeable fans did inform him of a lot of academic and music scholarship that debunks his stupid,horrible lies but he just doesn't want to recognize it because he irrationally hates The Beatles.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:02 am

[quote="Letmerollittoyou"][quote="Letmerollittoyou"][quote="Letmerollittoyou"]

But my big point is, is that Scaruffi wrote tons of outright *lies falsehoods*, *inaccurate* information about The Beatles there is a big difference from an opinion. If I wrote that for their first 10 years The Rolling Stones only wrote pop music and no blues or rock n roll,would that be my opinion or an inaccurate lie? If I said that Bob Dylan never was capable of playing the guitar or harmonica,would this be an opinion or a lie? Obviously lies,and I gave a ton of strong factual information that totally debunks Scaruffi's out right lies about The Beatles. For example one of the many big lies he tells is that none of The Beatles peers praised them when I gave interviews and quote examples from many well known successful rock and other types of musicians that have not only praised them but many have called them the best band ever and called John Lennon and Paul McCartney the greatest song composers of the 20th century even over their own bands and solo selves.

I also gave great information from true genuine academic musicologists something Scrauffi is not.I also gave examples of many well known successful bass players and other musicians who have recognized what a great,melodic influential bass player Paul McCartney has always been,and even Eric Clapton in a 1977 interview said that there was always this guitar game between John and George,partly because John was a pretty guitar player himself etc.But you will never hear any of this from Scaruffi. I was not ''spamming'' either I just have a lot of strong great information to debunk these myths and lies.

Here is An Excellent Rebuttal Of Popular Music Reviewer Piero Scaruffi's Popular Horrible Lies About The Beatles I recently found this great blog post by a guitar player and musically academically knowledgeable guy debunking the totally ignorant,ludicrous hateful lies by cognitive scientist and music critic Piero Scaruffi about The Beatles that ignorant Beatles haters calling them a talentless boy band,are quoting on so many sites for many years now and still are.This guy very accurately points out what I knew from the moment that I read Scaruffi's garbage back in 2001,he says that Scaruffi tells consistent and deliberate lies about what The Beatles did,how they were regarded and what they were attempting to do,and that the lies he tells are a deliberate and consistent effort to make The Beatles look overrated to people.

https://factorysunburst.wordpress.com/2 ... omment-517

Here is another very good rebuttal of him by a different guy in 2009.

http://www.last.fm/es/user/RadioheadOas ... he_beatles

On a heavy metal site someone posted Scaruffi's horrible inaccurate bullsh*t about The Beatles and a guy said that Scaruffi made up contrived bullsh*t about The Beatles and that a lot of people think he knows what he's talking about because he's a cognitive scientist.Many people elsewhere have said that Scaruffi just made up most of this bullsh*t,he made all of it up,the only facts he got right are John,Paul,George,Ringo,George Martin and Brian Epstein's names and when someone makes up that many lies about a subject you really can't trust them especially about that subject at all.

I actually emailed this idiot Scaruffi back in 2001 to try to debunk his ignorant lies about The Beatles,and he emailed me back three times,and I was civil to him,(which wasn't easy,and I had to control myself from not cursing him,but I know that wasn't going to work to get through to him) and he was civil to me too,but you just can't get through to him.He actually said that he thought I'm one of the most intelligent Beatles fans he ever communicated with because I never mentioned The Beatles record sales as to why they are great and he actually claimed that this all the majority of Beatles fans said to him,that they sold the most records,which he denies that they did in his horrid article. I don't believe him at all I'm sure that a lot of knowledgeable fans did inform him of a lot of academic and music scholarship that debunks his stupid,horrible lies but he just doesn't want to recognize it because he irrationally hates The Beatles and he wants everyone else to hate them too.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:13 am

I didn't mean to get more than one post of the same post posted, there really needs to be a delete option on here.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:35 am

Here in this 1971 interview at the Sgt.Regis Hotel John Lennon is asked by the interviewer about him using drummer Jim Keltner and if this was a reflection on Ringo's drumming.And John said, Oh no I love his drumming. He then said I think Keltner is a bit technically better but Ringo is still one of the best drummers in rock.

http://web.archive.org/web/200801081313 ... _regis.htm

And who did John Lennon use as a drummer on his first brilliant solo album John Lennon Plastic Ono Band when he could have gotten almost anyone who would have jumped at the chance to play on one of John's albums? Ringo.

And Ringo Star was already a successful drummer in the most popular successful band in Liverpool,Rorry Storm and The Hurricanes when John,Paul and George asked him to join The Beatles.And George Martin didn't think that Pete Best was that good,and he and John,Paul and George thought that Ringo was much better.

Also Phil Collins and Max Weinberg are both Ringo fans. And Phil Collins ( who has always been a big Beatles fan and he was in the audience in the concert scene in their great movie A Hard Day's Night at age 13) says he can't even duplicate Ringo's great drumming in A Day In The Life. George Martin says that Ringo always had a great feel and ear for a song and that it was his idea to play the tom toms on A Day In The Life giving it a unique percussion sound.

Mark Lewisohn says in his great book,The Beatles Recording Sessions,that on a handful of occasions during all of the several hundred session tapes and thousand of recording hours can Ringo be heard to have made a mistake or wavered in his beat. He then says that his work was remarkably consistent-and excellent-from 1962 right through to 1970.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:36 am

Rate Your Music Top 1000 Rock Artists Queen is number 75,The Beatles are so rightfully number 1

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/noname219 ... rtists/10/

And on the site Digital Dreamdoor where many musicians are members The Beatles are the number 1 Greatest Rock Artists.
http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_artistsddd.html

On their 100 Greatest Rock Bass Guitarists Paul McCartney has been number 8 for many years now, John Deacon is number 32.John Paul Jones is number 27,and Bill Wyman is number 95.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html

Out over 100 Greatest Rock Drummers Ringo Star is number 13,Roger Taylor is number 31 and Charlie Watts is number 91..

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html

Out of 200 Greatest Rock Song Writers John Lennon and Paul McCartney are of course number 1 members of Queen are number 47.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songwriters.html

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:37 am

The Rolling Stones and The Who are really lucky,no cognitive scientists etc have written a bunch of out right hateful lies in an article that has been popular for years now about them so far.And I'm sure if someone did,many of their fans would want to correct the falsehoods and lies too.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:42 am

Another lie Scarufii wrote is that The Beatles are not the biggest selling band in history and even though it's not what made The Beatles great,according to The Recording Industry Association Of America, The Beatles are the biggest selling band ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_b ... ic_artists

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:19 pm

In February of 2007 I emailed a guy named Tim Ellison who had posted on a site in August 2006 after someone posted Scaruffi's horrible false article about The Beatles,and he had posted that the Scaruffi Beatles article is a horror and said sorry I never want to go through that garbage again. He emailed me back and he said yeah Scaruffi's entry on The Beatles is really bizarre and that he never wanted to visit that site again. He posted 6 months later on the same site I saw his first post about this,that Scaruffi's Beatles analysis is freaking ridiculous!

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:26 pm

Scaruffi also told the stupid ridiculous lie that today the Beatles music is only played in supermarkets. Well the recent popularity of The remastered The Beatles Live At The Hollywood Bowl album,and Ron Howard's film,Eight Days a Week:The Touring Years debunks this too.

On Last FM. before Last FM. changed their site and now they unfortunately took off the fan groups,The Rolling Stones only had 80 members and they had 2,000 of their fan group in 2007,The Beatles had over 2,000 which became 18,000 and the average age of fans is 22 more guys than girls and they are from all over the world. In 2006,2007 and 2008 The Beatles were the # 1 most listened music artists on Last.FM and they are very popular on YouTube and Rate Your Music where many male and female fans in their teens and 20's call them The Greatest Rock Band Ever. They are now the number 1 classic Rock band on there as they have been for years http://www.last.fm/tag/classic+rock/artists and they did their homework right,in their Beatles biography they rightfully say that The Beatles were an iconic *rock band* and are the most critically acclaimed and successful rock band ever. And on Rate Your Music,they are the highest rated music artists out of over

3,000.http://rateyourmusic.com/list/noname219/top_artists/

And they are number 1 out over 1,000 Top Rock Artists

http://rateyourmusic.com/list/noname219 ... rtists/10/

The Beatles are still rightfully regarded by most people,most rock critics,and many other music and rock artists as The most creative,innovative,and prolific rock band ever.

In 1995 25 years after they broke up their Anthology CD's went straight to # 1 around the world and I heard a rock DJ say that 40% of the people buying them were teenagers,the same exact thing when their 1CD came out in 2000 30 years after they broke,up and in 2009,39 years after they broke up,they were the second biggest selling artists in the last decade,and their 1CD was the biggest selling album. And their music went to the top soon after it went on iTunes.And soon after their music started streaming on Spotify it became very popular and Billboard reported that 65% of listeners are under 34 years old which means they weren't even born when they broke up in 1970.

There are also a lot of people in their teens,20's and 30's who are fans of John's solo great music,and Paul's solo and Wings great music.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:30 pm

On this old site Rock On The Net which is updated to the present,it says few could argue that one of the best groups, if not the best in rock n roll history is The Beatles.

http://www.rockonthenet.com/artists-b/beatles_main.htm

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:30 pm

On the Ottawa Beatles Fan Site The Beatles Timeline Explains,For Those Who Just Discovered The Band This Historical Presentation Should Provide Enough Insight For You To Develop An Appreciation, Of Why Beatles Fans,Music Lovers And Historians All Agree That The Beatles Were The Greatest Rock N Roll Band To Emerge Out Of The 20th Century.

http://beatles.ncf.ca/timeline.html

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:40 pm

This is a description of the 2009 Beatles 3 part radio special of how brilliant and influential The Beatles were from the beginning and it has interviews with Brian Wilson,Tom Petty,Dave Grohl,Slash,Jeff Lynne,Ann Wilson,Nancy Wilson,Peter Asher,Jackson Browne,Bob Seger,T-Bone Burnett,Cameron Crowe,Mika,Mark Ronson,Susan Werner,Rick Rubin,and Joe Boyd.

http://beatlesblogger.com/2009/12/04/ne ... verywhere/

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:41 pm

MANY WELL KNOWN MUSICIANS SAY HOW INFLUENCED THEY ARE BY THE BEATLES

Brian May says The Beatles were Queen's bible.

http://beatlessongwriting.blogspot.co.u ... mment-form

Many well known musicians say how influenced they are by The Beatles.

http://beatlessongwriting.blogspot.co.u ... music.html

11 Musicians Influenced By The Beatles

http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2014/ ... BTdhg.dpbs

Pierre · Post by **Pierre** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:44 pm

Bravo to Letmerollittoyou for simultaneously gaining the awards for Thread necromancy of the year and for Most pointless messages chain spam that nobody will read.

Well trolled, man, well trolled.

Letmerollittoyou · Post by **Letmerollittoyou** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:53 pm

Moonbeam I saw on Rate Your Music that you like David Bowie.Scaruffi also lists David Bowie,Prince,Elvis and U2 as the most overrated besides The Beatles but he doesn't tell out right lies and falsehoods about them though.

Paul McCartney's early solo early Wings music which includes a lot of great rock and even some hard rock from 1970-1975 (which is Paul's best post Beatles music) is also much better than David Bowie's music and better than George Harrison's solo music.
Here the very good Russian music reviewer George Starostin reviews Paul McCartney's solo and Wings albums and songs and he so rightly debunks the common stupid myth that Paul's solo and Wings music wasn't very good and he gives great reviews and high ratings to most of Paul’s 1970’s albums.

http://starling.rinet.ru/music/paul.htm

Paul McCartney is still in the Guinness Book of World Records since October 1979 as the most successful song composer of all time and Paul has doctorates in music from Sussex University in 1988 and Yale in 2008 and David Bowie was not as great as early solo Paul and John. I personally only like 3 of his songs of the many ones I've heard,Changes,Heroes and Space Oddity.I really also think that Elton John's songs from 1971-1974 were much better.Not that it will matter that much to fans on here,but the Russian music reviewer George Starostin back in the late 90's early 2000's gave David Bowie a C rating.

rating,http://starling.rinet.ru/music/bowie.htm he also said that David Bowie was talented but not a genius,but he says in his Elton John review that Elton was a genius in his early-mid 1970's career.

He also said that David Bowie had a poor voice,was a limited song writer,and that he's highly overrated as a innovator.He also gave this C rating to solo George Harrison and Elton John,but gave Paul McCartney,Stevie Wonder and John Lennon a B rating. I've also never heard a David Bowie song nearly as good or great,and it is great as Elton's Funeral For A Friend Love Lies Bleeding.

And although Keith Richards was totally wrong about Sgt Pepper,and some other artists like Elton John( and often goes to extremes,he could and should have said that a lot of or most of David Bowie was posing and image and that it didn't have a lot to do with his music,not that it was all posing and had nothing to do with it but there is a lot of truth to what he said), he said before David Bowie died that David Bowie was all f*cking posing it has nothing to do with music and he said he knows it too.

http://www.nme.com/photos/the-razor-ton ... 2#/photo/3

And here this poster cesarat37 says what is so true,in reply to another poster Binkonn who started the Topic A Few Good Songs But Overrated I Think on The Internet Movie Data Base,they said of course you are right!!!

Bowie is the most overrated musician and singer in rock history.And said,good that you mention Keith Richards because he said in an interview a few years ago that Bowie was all about pose.And then said,that when Bowie started and released a couple of albums in 1967-1968 no one payed him any attention and said (by this point he was a regular looking guy no make up etc) he gained success and notoriety when he began with the extravagant clothes,his bisexuality statements,his Ziggy Stardust persona etc,things that have absolutely nothing to do with the music.Then this poster said,his music is average,medicocre and that as the poster (Binkonn) mentioned he has a few ( very few) good songs but that's about it.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000309/boar ... #252716402

This Rate Your Music reviewer also says how overrated David Bowie is and gives bad reviews for most of his albums and he too rightfully says that his alien androgyny image was most of the reasons for his popularity.

http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/Qwerty100/reviews/3