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I'll start things out by eliminating 131. Police / Sting 1. Beatles 2. Elvis Presley 3. Frank Sinatra 4. Bing Crosby 5. Michael Jackson / Jackson 5 6. Louis Armstrong 7. James Brown 8. Billie Holiday 9. Bob Dylan 10. Johnny Cash 11. Duke Ellington 12. Ray Charles 13. Chuck Berry 14. Hank Williams 15...

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The list is from Digital Dream Door's "300 Greatest Popular Artists" of all time, all genres of popular music. We're only using the top 200 from the list. Here's the rules. Each poster can choose one act to eliminate each day (new day starts at midnight eastern time). There's just one diff...

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Mattceinicram wrote:Billie Jean, congrats on the victory!

A great record for sure. The story of its recording is fascinating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean

Quincy Jones did not even think the song was good enough to be on the album. MJ had to fight him tooth and nail to get it included.

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Jirin wrote:Casting my vote at 12:01 EDT, I declare Billie Jean the winner.

Gimme Shelter came so close to winning, after winning the last two singles games too.

Gimme Shelter was not a single...at least not in the USA or the UK.

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Gimme Shelter - Rolling Stones 40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 39) Just My Imagination - Temptations 38) Light My Fire - The Doors 37) Tainted Love- Soft Cell 36) Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine - James Brown 35) Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac 34) Crazy - Gnarls Barkley 33) You Really Got M...

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40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 39) Just My Imagination - Temptations 38) Light My Fire - The Doors 37) Tainted Love- Soft Cell 36) Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine - James Brown 35) Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac 34) Crazy - Gnarls Barkley 33) You Really Got Me- Kinks/Van Halen 32) Long Tal...

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5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 39) Just My Imagination - Temptations 38) Light My Fire - The Doors 37) Tainted Love- Soft Cell 36) Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine - James Brown 35) Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac 34) Crazy - Gnarls Barkley 3...

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Let's see where the final 10 rank on the AM list: 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye (AM-8) 9. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson (AM-24) 10. Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan (AM-1) 19. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye (AM-13) 22. Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen (AM-23) 24. Superstition - Ste...

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Henrik wrote:
TimmyWing wrote:I'm surprised how long this has 'stayed alive' for.
I'm surprised too. Positively surprised.

Me three. No Beatles but yet "Stayin' Alive" is top 20?

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I rate songs from 0 to 10.

10 - Incredibly Awesome
9 - Great
8 - Excellent
7 - Very Good
6 - Good
5 - Pretty Good
4 - Okay
3 - Not Very Good
2 - Bad
1 - Terrible
0 - Unbelievably Horrible

My top 1,000 of all time consists of about 450 tens and the rest are nines. There are about 925 nines all told.

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Six out of the final 20 are Motown items: 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 19. What's Going On - Marvin Gaye 24. Superstition - Stevie Wonder 78. Papa Was a Rollin' Stone - Temptations 83. I Want You Back - Jackson 5 164. The Tracks Of My Tears - Miracles Only one 50s item left: 14....

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I'm taking out 48. A Change Is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke - too many fucking violins. 40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 39) Just My Imagination - Temptations 38) Light My Fire - The Doors 37) Tainted Love- Soft Cell 36) Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine - James Brown 35) Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood M...

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The Supremes are one of those performers that don't have a consensus choice for "definitive" song. "Stop! In the Name of Love," "You Can't Hurry Love," "Baby Love," "Love Child," and "Where Did Our Love Go" are all contenders. Of them, I t...

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PlasticRam wrote:IA great song for an old-fashioned song,

old fashioned does not make it below anything newer. Music is timeless. Some of the greatest records ever are almost 100 years old now.

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Henry wrote:I'll take the first (admittedly very premature) crack at predicting the top 10:

10. Outkast - Hey Ya!

This is out already.

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Henry wrote:Given that so many of us are prolific listers, I wonder if anyone is yet ready to put up their predictions for the final top ten.

I don't know your guys tastes well enough for that. I would never have thought there would be no Beatles in the top 40.

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40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 39) Just My Imagination - Temptations 38) Light My Fire - The Doors 37) Tainted Love- Soft Cell 36) Get Up (I Feel Like Being a) Sex Machine - James Brown 35) Go Your Own Way - Fleetwood Mac 34) Crazy - Gnarls Barkley 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6....

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40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 39) Just My Imagination - Temptations 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones 7. Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley 8. Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley & His Comets 9. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson 10. Like A...

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21. Hound Dog - Elvis Presley is out. 40) Hound Dog - Elvis Presley 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones 7. Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley 8. Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley & His Comets 9. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson 10. Like ...

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There's only one song remaining that I like better than "Bo Diddley." I feel your pain, Savoy. But Diddley had a good run. My all-time #2 ("Penny Lane") did not make the list. And my number one ("Strawberry Fields Forever") got kicked aside on day one by the man they c...

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Mattceinicram wrote:I eliminated Stevie Wonder- Living for the City

The next eligible poster who removes something will get us down to the final 40 songs.

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Eurythmics, Prince, Blondie, and "Beat It" out. I am a very sad AMer! At least The Beatles won't win this game. "A Day in the Life" out. WOW - Not one Beatles in the final 40 songs. The most acclaimed act of all time is out of the contest. After three more dismissals we will beg...

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"Bo Diddley" (#40) is a great track and in my all-time top 2500, but it is my lowest ranked song left. So goodbye to Mr. Diddley. There's only one song remaining that I like better than "Bo Diddley." Here's what's left: 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6. (I Can...

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44. Losing My Religion - R.E.M. Gotta shitcan that at this point. 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones 7. Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley 8. Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley & His Comets 9. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson 10. Like A ...

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Honeycomb - Jimmie Rodgers

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Let me first say that the playlist is only stuff from 1964 and 1965: Follow Your Heart - Manhattans Oh Baby Don't You Weep - James Brown Little Queen Bee - Slim Harpo Positively 4th Street - Bob Dylan She Lost You - Zephyrs What A Shame - Rolling Stones A Must To Avoid - Herman's Hermits I Feel Fine...

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When I first started listening to music a lot (late 1968 when I was 11) I did not yet have a taste for the more black sounding records. I remember hating "Oh Happy day" by Edwin Hawkins, which I now like a lot, and I remember not liking "Only The Strong Survive" by Jerry Butler, ...

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My question wasn't really if your taste changes over time. I'm sure it does for everyone, more or less. What I wanted to know was if you think you can predict what you will enjoy more in the future. I don't think I generally can, but now and then I hear a song (usually in the dance-pop genre) that ...

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When you make a list of the best new albums or songs, I assume you make the ranking based on what appeals you most at the moment. But if you instead tried to make a prediction of what you will still listen to 10 years from now, would the results be any different? Not for me. I generally have been l...

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Greg wrote:
Henrik wrote:as a result DDD lists probably become more AM-like over time
I believe that was Henrik's point?

AM's lists were used as part of the criteria for our "Greatest Rock Songs" list.

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I just found this page: http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs2010-2019-top-ten.html Is there a difference between the top lists and the greatest lists at DDD? Because these songs don't seem all that great to me. Perhaps there is no difference between "top" and "greatest" ...

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New DDD List from Brett A. Pasternack.

http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_ ... _rock.html

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Why should I be concerned with the opinions of some 34 year old guy who has not studied the entire history of rock and roll? I thought what mattered was the impact on the mainstream, not the opinion of rock and roll scholars ? And why should I be concerned with the opinions of some 55 year old guy ...

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And then again, really, ask someone between 20 and 40 who are the greatest music artists of all time (excluding classic), you will get many different answers, from Led Zeppelin to U2, Queen to the Rolling Stones, Radiohead to Muse, Nirvana to Coldplay, the Beatles to Michael Jackson. Put together, ...

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but most importantly it shows a generational bias in your opinion. How so? I would say that acts like Jay-Z and Mariah Carey and R. Kelly and U2 and and a few others who are current superstars are very significant parts of music history. I just can't see an artist who has never even had a big (top ...

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but most importantly it shows a generational bias in your opinion. How so? I would say that acts like Jay-Z and Mariah Carey and R. Kelly and U2 and and a few others who are current superstars are very significant parts of music history. I just can't see an artist who has never even had a big (top ...

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This is what separates, say, Chubby Checker (who had only one song with cultural staying power) "The Twist" and "Let's Twist Again" and "Limbo Rock" are all still played all the time at weddings and other parties. "Let's Twist Again" is played more than "...

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151. Sultans of Swing - Dire Straits 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones 7. Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley 8. Rock Around The Clock - Bill Haley & His Comets 9. Billie Jean - Michael Jackson 10. Like A Rolling Stone - Bob Dylan 12....

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The main point is that music should not be required to target the current trend that is popular at the time to be considered great, and it's impossible to be popular without targeting the current trend that is popular at the time. Elvis's music was entirely different from the current trend at the t...

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72. Stand By Me - Ben E. King Overrated song has neen dismissed. 1. Johnny B. Goode - Chuck Berry 3. Stairway to Heaven - Led Zeppelin 5. I Heard It Through The Grapevine - Marvin Gaye 6. (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction - Rolling Stones 7. Jailhouse Rock - Elvis Presley 8. Rock Around The Clock - Bil...

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The problem with the AM lists is that they are wat too biased towards modern acts and albums instead of songs. How the fuck can Riadiohead be more acclaimed than Elvis Presley and Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder? That's utterly absurd. That's entirely your opinion though. I would argue that Radiohead...

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There are two VU songs near the bottom of the site's "300 Greatest 1960s Songs." http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs60s.html 291. Shapes Of Things - Yardbirds 292. I Like It Like That - Chris Kenner 293. The Lion Sleeps Tonight - Tokens 294. Heroin - Velvet Underground 295. Games ...

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Quality may not be objective but popularity is even more subjective, and it's ridiculous to base a list of 'Greatness' on the taste of the majority. What should we base it on, the taste of Jirin? The way the music industry works, it's impossible to even get your record heard if you don't do it thro...

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Mariah Carey, Celine Dion and Garth Brooks are three of the biggest selling artists of the last 25 years and yet they barely register on AM (and they are consistent, commercially speaking). Who then makes the call that they should be relegated to kitsch? I don't think they really deserve acclaim, b...

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The problem is even measuring popularity is fairly subjective; I know a lot of people that absolutely love VU and very few that feel the same way about Jerry Lee Lewis or Bill Haley. I'm not saying the latter two artists don't deserve a place in rock and roll history, but in my admittedly limited v...

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Chris K. wrote:I know a lot of people that absolutely love VU and very few that feel the same way about Jerry Lee Lewis or Bill Haley.

How old are these people?

Bill Haley & Jerry Lee fans are mainly in their 60s and older at this point.

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jamieW wrote:I would have far preferred to see “Ain’t No Sunshine” on the list instead.

It's on the list, just not in the top 200.

303. Ain't No Sunshine - Bill Withers

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152. Lean on Me - Bill Withers Also, I agree with Henrik about the lack of Big Mama Thornton’s attachment to “Hound Dog.” I’m probably one of the biggest Elvis fans on the forum, but I still always preferred Thornton’s grittier version. If Van Halen can be connected to “You Really Got Me,” then Big...

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While Savoy is way too dismissive of music made since the 1960s, in this particular debate, I must side with him. Influence (both on music and the broader culture) and popularity, properly understood, are the best indicators of artistic merit. After all, as Savoy points out, "quality" is ...

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Only 2 tracks I rate 0/10 are left. Goodbye "Twist and Shout". I can uderstand it not being a favorite, but a ZERO? That rating is reserved for things like "Dis-Gorilla" by Rick Dees. Yeah, I haven't heard a single Beatles song I'd give more than a 4/10. The vocals on "Twis...

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