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by Pierre
Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:41 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists from Martin Popoff
Replies: 12
Views: 222

Re: Lists from Martin Popoff

Has he posted this one? https://www.amazon.com/Top-Heavy-Metal-Songs-Time/dp/1550225308/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1491277376&sr=1-5&keywords=500+rock+songs The top 500 songs and albums lists from Popoff have been built through polling of many professionals and fans, this last p...
by Pierre
Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:13 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Rock Hard - La Metaltheque vol.1 (disco métal idéale)
Replies: 12
Views: 456

Re: Rock Hard - La Metaltheque vol.1 (disco métal idéale)

Well, well, well. Nugent returns. But do my eyes deceive me (they probably do), or did we escape Twisted Sister this time? Take a closer look at the Hair Metal section ;) I got used to the idea of Ted Nugent making a big entrance on AM on the next album update. At least, to balance it out, girls wi...
by Pierre
Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:42 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM
Replies: 243
Views: 5165

Re: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM

Now that the list is soon-to-be posted in its entirety: Rock Hard - La Metaltheque vol.1 (disco métal idéale) http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4652 Also, for the form: Tsunami Edizioni - The last three remaining books http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3...
by Pierre
Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:32 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Rock Hard - La Metaltheque vol.1 (disco métal idéale)
Replies: 12
Views: 456

Re: Rock Hard - La Metaltheque vol.1 (disco métal idéale)

Well, lookey here: https://www.senscritique.com/liste/La_Metaltheque_Ideale_VOL1_Version_Rock_Hard_hors_serie_2016/1584168#page-1/ Someone took it upon himself to post the entire list on the French website Senscritique! It's still incomplete (413 albums out of 434) but I'll post the albums already f...
by Pierre
Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:36 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Summary of All-Time Lists to be Added to AM- 2017 Update
Replies: 75
Views: 4481

Re: Summary of All-Time Lists to be Added to AM- 2017 Update

Tsunami Edizioni - The last three remaining books
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5209

Rock Hard - La Metalthèque idéale vol.1 (2016) (hopefully soon complete)
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4652
by Pierre
Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:35 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Tsunami Edizioni - The last three remaining books
Replies: 0
Views: 85

Tsunami Edizioni - The last three remaining books

First of all, it seems I got some people worried because of my inactivity and I just want to reassure them: everything's fine on my end. I'm just very tired right now and I'm taking time off the Internet; it's very good for my nerves, especially in our tense period on the political front here in Fra...
by Pierre
Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:01 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Decibel Magazine Top 100 Death + Black Metal Albums of All Time (2012-2013)
Replies: 5
Views: 97

Re: Decibel Magazine Top 100 Death + Black Metal Albums of All Time (2012-2013)

I've never heard it and I'd probably hate it, but Tomb of the Mutilated is a damn striking name for an album. Probably going to at least be a bubbler. Yeah, I think it has enough points for that now. But man, talking about gruesome album cover arts, this is one that takes the cake. Funny enough, no...
by Pierre
Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:18 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Decibel Magazine Top 100 Death + Black Metal Albums of All Time (2012-2013)
Replies: 5
Views: 97

Re: Decibel Magazine Top 100 Death + Black Metal Albums of All Time (2012-2013)

StevieFan13 wrote:I've never heard it and I'd probably hate it, but Tomb of the Mutilated is a damn striking name for an album. Probably going to at least be a bubbler.


Yeah, I think it has enough points for that now. But man, talking about gruesome album cover arts, this is one that takes the cake.
by Pierre
Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:04 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Decibel Magazine Top 100 Death + Black Metal Albums of All Time (2012-2013)
Replies: 5
Views: 97

Decibel Magazine Top 100 Death + Black Metal Albums of All Time (2012-2013)

Title says it all. Ineligible because of the (sub)genre specificity, but I post them just to keep 'em around as usual. I'd like to say again that I've scraped the bottom of the lists I found on the Web but recent history has been disastrous to me in that regard, so I don't want to jinx myself again....
by Pierre
Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:15 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Camion blanc books volume 2
Replies: 5
Views: 94

Re: Camion blanc books volume 2

Thanks Pierre! Do you think that I should use this as a list (anything on this list beats albums not mentioned) or as ratings (albums with a 5 then becomes the "worst")? Well it's a list of second-rate classics, so everything mentioned here isn't supposed to beat, say, The Number of the B...
by Pierre
Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:15 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Camion blanc books volume 2
Replies: 5
Views: 94

Re: Camion blanc books volume 2

Spin Doctors aren't particularly metal either. Yeah, I took Modest Mouse because they were the ones that stuck out the most to me, but they certainly aren't the only ones. Fleetwood Mac? Rory Gallagher and other blues acts? The glam rock acts? They certainly are very inclusive when making these lis...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:59 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Camion blanc books volume 2
Replies: 5
Views: 94

Camion blanc books volume 2

OK, you know, I hate myself because I'm just too good at searching lists around, or to be more fair with myself, French journalists and music amateurs just produce shitloads of lists and it doesn't help that hard rock/heavy metal critics are also lists aficionados, so guess what happens when the two...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:49 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

It has been suggested that I lock this thread to save you from becoming insane, PlasticRam. As many others have said you need to stop this behaviour. You have posted hundreds of posts in this thread! Please realize that not Donald Trump, but you, are the biggest threat to yourself right now. I woul...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:58 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

^^ Okay, I'm still not sure I agree with that. On Monday Trump had a very bizarre speech and all of a sudden The Five went from being a normal show to having five people nervously laugh. Next day they had lumps in their throats. And all of the news are coming out this week of illegals raping and ki...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:46 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

Sure, but the problem is that they're literally being threatened with death, so they're becoming a propaganda network unwillingly. They're crying. And the stuff they have to make news about is actually having a negative effect to the recovery from my brainwashing. It's like they're holding guns to ...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:06 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

Fox News are notorious in France as the example of a news channel gone wrong, using sensationalism and blatantly false claims (the reports they've made on the French suburbs are a frequent source of hilariousness over here) to build up audience. They disguise it as "we dare to report the truth ...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:26 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

Right now I'm thinking that Trump might be a centrist after all. Non-dangerous centrist. That's what I hope. He's a deal-maker. Sorry, but Trump isn't a centrist. He's a fascist. His discourse on immigrants, women, nationalism, and as you've seen, eugenics, everything points at him being a fascist ...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:46 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Guitar World songs lists (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica)
Replies: 3
Views: 96

Re: Guitar World songs lists (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica)

StevieFan13 wrote:The Metallica list has already been added to the summary.


My bad. The other two are new, at least.
by Pierre
Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:18 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Guitar World songs lists (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica)
Replies: 3
Views: 96

Guitar World songs lists (Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Metallica)

A few lists from Guitar World (the only ones that are at least 30 songs long): The 30 greatest classic Black Sabbath songs (2015) http://www.guitarworld.com/30-greatest-classic-black-sabbath-songs?page=29 The 50 greatest Led Zeppelin songs (2015) http://www.guitarworld.com/50-greatest-led-zeppelin-s...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:44 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Ben Westhoff: Dirty South: OutKast, Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and the Southern Rappers etc. - Recommended listening (2011)
Replies: 3
Views: 75

Ben Westhoff: Dirty South: OutKast, Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and the Southern Rappers etc. - Recommended listening (2011)

From here: https://books.google.fr/books?id=Umlj8euT4tIC&printsec=frontcover&hl=fr#v=onepage&q&f=false By hip-hop writer Ben Westhoff. Full title "Dirty South: OutKast, Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and the Southern Rappers Who Reinvented Hip-Hop". The "Recommended Listening&...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:24 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Roadie Crew: 200 real hymns of heavy metal & classic rock you must hear before you die (2011)
Replies: 4
Views: 92

Re: Roadie Crew: 200 real hymns of heavy metal & classic rock you must hear before you die (2011)

StevieFan13 wrote:Also: putting aside the fact that of friggin' course he's here again, who would actually say that you haven't lived a full, happy life without hearing a Ted Nugent song?


Donald Trump, maybe.
by Pierre
Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:58 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM
Replies: 243
Views: 5165

Re: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM

Roadie Crew: 200 real hymns of heavy metal & classic rock you must hear before you die (2011) http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5152 Ben Westhoff: Dirty South: OutKast, Lil Wayne, Soulja Boy, and the Southern Rappers etc. - Recommended listening (2011) http://www.accla...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:57 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Roadie Crew: 200 real hymns of heavy metal & classic rock you must hear before you die (2011)
Replies: 4
Views: 92

Roadie Crew: 200 real hymns of heavy metal & classic rock you must hear before you die (2011)

Because I'm always looking for albums lists I just tend to miss songs lists I'm passing right by. And tracing back my steps, I just ran into this one: http://www.roadiecrew.com/edicaoDetalhe.php?id=146 And found it here: https://plus.google.com/102379614723333472778/posts/26xfwtgaZvP For the record:...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:24 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

Though foreign newspapers are paranoid about Le Pen, she has next to no chance to win the election actually. Hehe... I remember when we were saying that about Trump... Yeah but we're talking about a 30% lead from her most likely contender in the second round of the election, according to the polls....
by Pierre
Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:17 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

Has anyone else noticed that a lot of things are happening lately, or is it just more of a personal thing that I imagine it? Be thankful you're not in France right now, suffering through the shittiest presidential campaign I've seen since my birth. Easily. Though foreign newspapers are paranoid abo...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:15 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Rock & Folk: 50 Best Metal Albums (2012)
Replies: 2
Views: 67

Re: Rock & Folk: 50 Best Metal Albums (2012)

This isn't even from a metal mag! What do they see in those bands? (Though what I've found out is that Dee Snider is actually a really nice guy. No matter what you think of his music, he's a stand-up guy. Nugent sucks just as much as his music, so no guilt dissing him.) Yeah, it's not from a metal ...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:07 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Rock & Folk: 50 Best Metal Albums (2012)
Replies: 2
Views: 67

Rock & Folk: 50 Best Metal Albums (2012)

Found it here: https://www.senscritique.com/liste/Rock_Folk_Hors_serie_n_28_de_decembre_2012_Metal/598791#page-1/ Not eligible of course, but as usual it's to keep them around just in case. 50 albums in chronological order, and spoiler: Ted Nugent and Twisted Sister. Whatever. Personal opinion: list...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:52 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.
Replies: 240
Views: 2778

Re: SERIOUS: Your wildest nightmares might've been true about Trump.

PlasticRam, I believe you're having a panic attack. Your discourse is shattered and incoherent. You should get some rest, calm down and collect your thoughts because you're not actually reasoning right now, at least not logically. Your messages are painful to go through. Please, you're getting peopl...
by Pierre
Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:10 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Greatest movie soundtrack lists (Rolling Stone/NME, etc.)
Replies: 6
Views: 178

Re: Greatest movie soundtrack lists (Rolling Stone/NME, etc.)

Got it! :mrgreen: I just wish I knew which soundtracks were eligible and which ones weren't (I'm 99% positive that one of the most famous ones here, Pulp Fiction, isn't eligible). Yeah, Pulp Fiction isn't ;) . Other famous cases are Trainspotting , Easy Rider or American Graffiti . Another interest...
by Pierre
Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:17 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Greatest movie soundtrack lists (Rolling Stone/NME, etc.)
Replies: 6
Views: 178

Re: Greatest movie soundtrack lists (Rolling Stone/NME, etc.)

Various Artists - Pretty in Pink (1986) [compilation] :angry-nono: It isn't? How much of the music was written specifically for the film? 1. "If You Leave" written for the film 2. "Left of Center" written for the film 3. "Get to Know Ya" written for the film 4. "D...
by Pierre
Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:08 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Greatest movie soundtrack lists (Rolling Stone/NME, etc.)
Replies: 6
Views: 178

Re: Greatest movie soundtrack lists (Rolling Stone/NME, etc.)

StevieFan13 wrote:Various Artists - Pretty in Pink (1986) [compilation]


:angry-nono:
by Pierre
Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:06 am
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

About Bloque, there are two bands A Spanish progressive rock band from the 70s A Colombian Latin alternative/fusion band from the 90s No relation between them, just the name. Actually, the Colombian band was originally named Bloque de Busqueda but when they released the same album abroad they short...
by Pierre
Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:25 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

Well, that'll be it for me. Here are the lists I added: Rock en las Américas encuesta especializada 2010-2014 (2014) 50 discos de música peruana que dan muestra de nuestra diversidad cultural (2015) 35 discos imprescindibles del rock venezolano, de acuerdo a selección publicada por revista Ladosis, ...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:25 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Summary of All-Time Lists to be Added to AM- 2017 Update
Replies: 75
Views: 4481

Re: Summary of All-Time Lists to be Added to AM- 2017 Update

StevieFan13 wrote:The entire MTV list isn't eligible, but the individual lists from MTV Base, MTV2, and VH1 are.


OK, that's not what I understood. Fixed.
by Pierre
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:15 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Summary of All-Time Lists to be Added to AM- 2017 Update
Replies: 75
Views: 4481

Re: Summary of All-Time Lists to be Added to AM- 2017 Update

For the record, more eligible stuff: The Guardian (UK): The 50 Albums That Changed Music (2006) http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5055 Shortlist: The 50 Coolest Albums Ever http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5049 The Guardian (UK): Best No. 1 Sing...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM
Replies: 243
Views: 5165

Re: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM

StevieFan13 wrote:Somebody better tell JR about all this.


Not necessary; Henrik confirmed the list, so that's OK.
by Pierre
Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:31 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM
Replies: 243
Views: 5165

Re: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM

Thanks for all the confirmations Henrik. I'll be working on several of these. Just a question about this one which is listed in JR's summary: Flavorwire: The 50 Essential Women-in-Music Albums http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3844 Was it ever confirmed and added? Thanks i...
by Pierre
Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:37 am
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: R.I.P. Chuck Berry (1926 - 2017)
Replies: 9
Views: 320

Re: R.I.P. Chuck Berry (1926 - 2017)

I'll echo everyone's feelings, it's very sad news. When I started exploring the early years of rock'n'roll, Berry was probably the artist I listened to the most. Easily the best and catchiest guitar player of the bunch. R.I.P. Chuck.
by Pierre
Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:36 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Héctor Ángel Benedetti - 101 tango albums for your discotheque (2011)
Replies: 0
Views: 151

Héctor Ángel Benedetti - 101 tango albums for your discotheque (2011)

The book: https://www.amazon.com/DISCOS-TANGO-PARA-DISCOTECA-Spanish/dp/950073088X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1489734461&sr=1-2&keywords=101+discos+de+tango There's not that many eligible lists of tango albums around; curiously, despite the fact that we may think it's pretty big ...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:33 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

Can you add the AM forum links? Those tended to be what I linked to in the spreadsheet (unless Pierre, who's working on it now, would prefer another route). No, I indeed link to the AM forums threads :) And I may indeed try to add the lists mentioned by panam, but I think I may need help - in my fi...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:00 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

I added one more list in my previous thread Can you add the AM forum links? Those tended to be what I linked to in the spreadsheet (unless Pierre, who's working on it now, would prefer another route). No, I indeed link to the AM forums threads :) And I may indeed try to add the lists mentioned by p...
by Pierre
Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:51 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

StevieFan13 wrote:
Henrik wrote:
Romain wrote:Guys, you are crazy! ;-)


Thanks for that.

I second that. :D

Our love for AM borders on insanity. Or maybe it's just insanity. Who can tell at this point? :D


My, did I forget to state that point? Sorry I thought it was obvious :happy-smileyinthebox:
by Pierre
Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:50 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Top 50 Stevie Wonder Songs (list finished!)
Replies: 28
Views: 542

Re: Top 50 Stevie Wonder Songs (start submitting lists!)

StevieFan13 wrote:You guys have another few hours to submit lists before I post the results.


Not sure I'll do it... I have a lot of relistening to do because it's been a very very long time since I've listened to Stevie last. I'm not sure a few hours will do. Sorry for that! :?
by Pierre
Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:56 am
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

And only two of the UCR lists (the 60s and 70s ones) were added by Henrik. I was mostly thinking of the insane amount of top 10s. Maybe I'll get to that next (after a friggin' nap). Are all those top 10s eligible though? Henrik would need to confirm that. As for the 80s and 90s lists, they are in t...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:57 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

added lists StevieFan13 I think I've got mixed news for you :? If you rewind to the second page of this thread, you'll see that a first Excel spreadsheet was already filled in, and Henrik also mentions near the end of the second page that he added some lists by himself on his end. This includes the...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:39 pm
Forum: Music, music, music...
Topic: Help wanted!
Replies: 227
Views: 6381

Re: Help wanted!

Added some more before I got burnt out. Hoping someone adds the Classic Rock '70s list and the assorted UCR lists. What I added was: All the Diffuser lists Boombox - Top 25 Rap Albums of 1996 Boombox - Top 25 Rap Albums of 1991 Boombox - 50 Greatest Alternative Hip-Hop Albums of All Time Treble - B...
by Pierre
Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:08 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM
Replies: 243
Views: 5165

Re: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM

StevieFan13 wrote:Philippe Margotin - 100 Years of Blues and Soul: Selective Discography
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5073


Eligible and already added to the spreadsheet ;)
by Pierre
Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:07 am
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM
Replies: 243
Views: 5165

Re: Lists that haven't been decided if they will be included on AM

From me: Camion Blanc Editions books http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5095 Benoît Sabatier: Nous sommes jeunes, nous sommes fiers (2007) http://www.acclaimedmusic.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5103 Héctor Ángel Benedetti - 101 tango albums for your discotheque (2011)...
by Pierre
Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:21 pm
Forum: Critics' lists
Topic: Benoît Sabatier: Nous sommes jeunes, nous sommes fiers (2007)
Replies: 1
Views: 71

Benoît Sabatier: Nous sommes jeunes, nous sommes fiers (2007)

Here's another (hopefully the last list I'll find) from this book: http://www.fayard.fr/nous-sommes-jeunes-nous-sommes-fiers-9782213678405 It does an overview of the evolution of youth culture through rock music and features a list entitled "The Top 200 of Nous sommes jeunes, nous sommes fiers&...

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